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Old 05-25-2010, 07:52 AM
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Default Touchscreen vs. No Touchscreen

After playing with the Garmin (7212 +6212) and the Raymarine (E120 widescreen). I think I am going to go with the Garmin for ease of use. It's going in a 24Yellowfin.

The question is whether or not to go with the 7212 Touchscreen or the Non Touchscreen 6212? ;?
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I have been in this debate with myself. I just think the touchscreen would be tough to use if you were in rough seas.
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Default The touch screen will give you more versitility

wnen it comes to chart display manipulation.

Here is some videos of my Garmin 740 the smaller to the 6000/7000 series. All three use the same firmware and display functionality.

http://bluewaterpirate.phanfare.com/...geID=100242359

http://bluewaterpirate.phanfare.com/...geID=100245715

In regards to using in ruff stuff ... not an issue. I'm 64 years young and have no problems using the touch screens either running of fishing. Once you use one it's hard to go back.
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I could see touch-screen on a big off-shore boat where the captain is the captain and he stays at the helm all day. Personally with fishing, I'm getting crud on my fingers all the time (fish, bait, lotion, food) and I wouldn't want to have to wash my hands every time I want to adjust my sounder/plotter. So I probably wouldn't wash my hands and would end up w/ a dirty screen.
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Default Slim on hands/fingers not an issue

piece a cake to wipe off if necessary. The displays are glass. Use damp rag if need be that's it.
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Somebody also mentioned to me that it was easier to clean the screen than it is to clean the buttons out. Dunno.
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TOUCHSCREEN.

Ruff seas is an issue regardless of a touchscreen or butons. Eitehr way you have to get your little finger on a small spot while your getting bouncing around. The difference is, the hardware buttons are nomrally small 1/4" round little targets, while the Touchscreen "soft" buttons are LARGE, EASY TO READ, ALWAYS BACKLIT, square/rectangular targets ussually 4 or 5 times larger and easier to hit than a little hardware button. In other words, it's acutally easier to use the touchscreen in rough seas than buttons.

Another benefit you didn't mention, you get a bigger display in the same area / footprint with touchscreens because there is no wasted "button" space.
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Reguardless of what has been written on using touchscreens in the ocean, I want to say this. If a guy is a heavy button pusher (I am) then there is no way underway that touching a "touchscreen" is an easy task!

I set waypoints, zoom in and out, go through waypoint lists and set courses. Manipulate df areas and use my radar-----routinely underway. In 4' ocean conditions...My fishing grounds are typically 30 miles, each way. I do about 22knotts underway.

I have an E140w touchscreen and have to say, that without buttons as a backup (while unbderway) touching exactly where you want on a moving target is HARD. Period.

That's why Raymarine offers buttons too! They call it HybridTouch.
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Originally Posted by CME View Post
I have an E140w touchscreen and have to say, that without buttons as a backup (while unbderway) touching exactly where you want on a moving target is HARD. Period.
So your saying the hard buttons move around somehow with your finger, so you don't have to hit the exact spot?

It's harder to hit a smaller target. In rough sea's, they are both hard to hit, but I'd prefer the larger target (touchscreen soft buttons) myself.

I cruise at 25/26 knots, in a smaller boat thatn you, in 4' seas and "play with my FF, Radar and plotter" more than ANYONE on the planet, I assure you. The only time I have an issue with the toruchscreen is when setting the slider. that is the only time I wish I had a KNOB, nto a button but a knob to turn. They should make a full tochscreen with 1 knob, and anytime there is a slider displayed, the knob would work the slider. Now that would be awesome.
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Originally Posted by Birdman View Post
So your saying the hard buttons move around somehow with your finger, so you don't have to hit the exact spot?
That has to be the most idiotic response I have ever read here on this forum.

Using a hard button gives you the opportunity to center your fingers on them BEFORE you actually push them. The Garmin touchscreen does not offer those hard buttons. For example, If you aren't centered over the correct touch-screen image on a Garmin, then it assumes you are attemting to "Pan" on their screen. The result, as I suspect you already know, will be that your entire screen goes off center and if that wasn't your intention, now you have to successfully hit the "stop panning" button. Then start all over again...

I'm not trying to argue a point that is obvious. Rather, offer an educated experience based on my real-world observation.

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OR, on non-touchscreen units you try to change the range to zoom in on the chart, and instead miss and hit the MOB button right next to the range button. The plotter places a new waypoint, goes into MOB Navigation mode, and instructs the AP to turn around abruptly and go back to the MOB WP.

Like I said, they BOTH have a problem in rough seas. But the touchscreen offers a much larger target to hit than the little button. That is my real life experience. I have had both, and HAVE both on my boat now. I will use the touchscreen ANY DAY OF THE WEEK over the non touchscreen, in any conditions.

Let me see you pan your display using the hard buttons in 4' seas! Good luck!! I touch the screen and watch the magic happen. You will be fumbling around with arrow buttons trying to locate and scroll the cursor over to the point, and then hitting another 1/4" round little enter button to re-draw on that point.

Let me see you pick up a MARPA target on radar via the cursor and arrow buttons while in 4' seas. I'll click on the target and then click the 1" x 3" long soft button on screen that says "ACQUIRE TARGET". You'll spend 10 minutes scrolling around the cursor with arrow keys like a squirrel trying to pinpoint the spot, but the time you get there, it will be gone/moved, keep chasing it, you'll get it eventually!!
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I guess if Garimin buys Raymarine they will be intergrading the hybrid touch into their GPS.
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I chose the 6212, I hope I made the right decision. Just can't wait to get it all installed.
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in regards to always cleaning your hands before touching the screen, i would think just the opposite is true. I will touch my screen with anything on my hands and know it won't go into a button! no problem to wipe screen later.
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Originally Posted by Miss Trial View Post
in regards to always cleaning your hands before touching the screen, i would think just the opposite is true. I will touch my screen with anything on my hands and know it won't go into a button! no problem to wipe screen later.
That is a good point. I would much rather wipe off a screen then try to clean around the buttons and actually have whatever was on your hands down inside the button.
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I really think it's personal preference. but I have the new 740s and my last system was an E120. I went with the touchscreen as everything that you can press is lit up on the screen as an icon. All I could remember were my trips at 3:30 in the morning in pitch dark and had to keep turning on lights to see what button to press on the E120. Yeah, it was easy to zoom in/out or hit one of the soft keys on the bottom, but try to figure out what the other buttons were was a bit difficult since they are all the same size and not backlit.
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The E120 must have backlit buttons, no? They ussually are only backlit when the displays backlighting is turned way down, as the LCD backlighting goes down, the button backlighting goes up.

But yes, oen of the really ncie things about touchscreens are the fact the buttons are what is called "Actively Lit Up". It's not possible to have difficulty finding a "button" that is displayed.

I really do NOT think it is a matter of personal preference. Once you learn a touchscreen interface, it is easier pretty much any way you slice it. You may "think" you have a preference, but that is only becuase you haven't spent any real time on one or the other. I've done both and don't even think it's worth discussing. It's like discussing whether Tubes are better than LCD's displays. When LCD's first came out, ALLOT of folks said, "NO, LCD's are no good.... bla bla bla". How many Tube Chartplotters you see for sale now at West Marine?

I suspect the same result on touchscreen VS buttons in a few years.
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When decreasing the backlighting of the E120 screen the backlighting of the buttons increase so you should not have a problem seeing the buttons even in dark.

I have E80 and mostly fish in the middle of the night and I don't have any problems seeing the buttons.

My next MFD will be a Raymarine with HybridTouch, best of both worlds.
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Originally Posted by CME View Post
Using a hard button gives you the opportunity to center your fingers on them BEFORE you actually push them. The Garmin touchscreen does not offer those hard buttons. For example, If you aren't centered over the correct touch-screen image on a Garmin, then it assumes you are attemting to "Pan" on their screen. The result, as I suspect you already know, will be that your entire screen goes off center and if that wasn't your intention, now you have to successfully hit the "stop panning" button. Then start all over again...

I'm not trying to argue a point that is obvious. Rather, offer an educated experience based on my real-world observation.

No more, no less.
Originally Posted by Birdman
Once you learn a touchscreen interface, it is easier pretty much any way you slice it. You may "think" you have a preference, but that is only becuase you haven't spent any real time on one or the other. I've done both and don't even think it's worth discussing.
CME has a very very important point. However Birdman also do have a very very valid point.



What they are trying to say is: if you must get touchscreen. You need at least the 15" screen so each BUTTON (THE ACTIVE ZONE) is large enough to easily make accurate selections.

For someone who has used consumer touchscreen since conception. I was not impress with the garmin 8" touchscreen. My fingers are small and it was still a PIA to select waypoints or enter characters. I could only imagine someone with larger fingers.
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Originally Posted by SSNOS View Post
All I could remember were my trips at 3:30 in the morning in pitch dark and had to keep turning on lights to see what button to press on the E120.
You need to spend a little time with that thick owner manual. Hit the red power button once to bring up the backlight adjustment scroll. Turn the rotary knob to adjust. And what do you have? Every button lights up and the screen dims.

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