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Old 08-05-2004, 01:00 PM
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Hey THT'ers. I just bought a trolling motor, deep cycle batteries, VHF, Depth Finder, and GPS. Now, I need to buy the wire to hook it all up. Seems like I have found two different brands of marine grade wire. One is the "Ancor" wire and I found another place that sells "Pacer" marine grade wire. Both are Finely stranded tinned copper. I was just wondering if one brand is preferred over another? I have searched past threads and nobody has compared different ones.

Also, I was planning on using 6 guage duplex to run to the trolling motor and 16 guage to extend my VHF, Depth Finder, and GPS. Of course the connections will be crimped with heat shrink connections with heat shrink tubing placed over top and then liquid electrical tape over top of that. Does this sound okay?

Maybe to get you a better concept of what will be hooked up:

Minn Kota Riptide 65
Standard Horizon Quest
Garmin 276C
Lowrance X126DF

Thanks for any suggestions or comments.

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Old 08-05-2004, 01:05 PM
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Ancor is the standard, I've never heard of Pacer. Likely either would be fine though. I have a preference for Ancor because of familiarity.
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Old 08-05-2004, 02:18 PM
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I would go with Ancor. The conductor is probably the same for both, but I believe that the insulation on Ancor wire is second to none, at least for the various brands that I've compared it to.
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Old 08-05-2004, 02:34 PM
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Thanks for the quick responses. I know as far in price, the Pacer is cheaper to buy but I would rather pay more for a good insulation and quality of wire. I just wanted to know if anyone has ever used it and how does it compare and thought maybe the Pacer is as good or better. Wishful thinking I guess? My electrical wiring is something I would rather not go cheap on because its the blood vessels of the boat
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Old 08-05-2004, 03:49 PM
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most marine service places i've seen have pacer spools in the work area when they rig or repair. might be b/c they think it's better, or saves them some $$$, or pacer has better sales force. who knows. me, i'd specify ancor for everything.

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Old 08-05-2004, 11:05 PM
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I say brand name is bull. Both are good products. Now if you really want to save some money on wire
check here. http://bestboatwire.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=23
I have bought once from him so far and was VERY pleased with the 70ft of 2ga that I bought to install
a trolling motor with.
If I took some acetone and wiped the names off of the insulation and put them side by side you
couldn't tell the diffrence. The main thing is that you paying West [stick it in deep] Marine markup.

Now with Boatwire.com. He doesn't take credit cards. You have to setup a Pay Pal account.
He also has Example 14ga in 13 colors. try to find that at West Marine.
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Old 08-06-2004, 07:24 AM
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I can cut-n-paste the link for bestboatwire into my browser fine
but if I try clicking on the link above it locks up my browser
everytime. The prices looked good compared to what I pay
locally. I guess only large orders would be worth the shipping.

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Old 08-06-2004, 03:09 PM
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Try This. http://bestboatwire.com/

I did a comparison in 100ft of 14ga Surplus Unlimited is $17.00

West Marine sells by the ft. 30 to 39 cents a ft[depends on color]. That's $30 to almost $40 for 100ft.

Bestboat wire is $7.20 for 100ft.

So where are you gonn'a buy your wire?
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Old 08-06-2004, 09:55 PM
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Warthog5,

I know exactly what you mean. For instance look at the 6 guage duplex that I need to run from my two deep cycles to the batteries. Its a 30 foot run from the console back to the bilge and up the conduit to the bow. bestboatwire ask a 1.88 I think per foot and West wants 6.49 per foot for Ancor. Go figure right? Thats why I have asked the question if there is really a difference because if not, I could save some money. Near a 140 dollars just on my 6 guage I need. If the only difference is the insulation of the wire, how much a difference and will it make a difference? The only thing I could think of would be I might be more liable to interference with my electronics. You think thats right? Also, the cores are the same, Type 3 tinned stranded.
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Old 08-06-2004, 10:23 PM
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Use it. But I have a question's on you installation?
You said you have 2 batteries for the trolling motor, so I assume it is a 24volt unit.
What trolling motor are you going to install and what is the max amps that it draws?

A few months ago I installed a Minkota 74lb thrust unit foa a neighbor of mine. I used 2ga wire
The run was 70ft total.
You said you had a 30ft run. That;s for 1 wire. Then the current comes back. that's another 30ft run.
For a total of 60ft.
Give me some more imfo and I'll try to keep you from being dissapointed in the trolling motors performance.
Undersize wiring will do that.
Fact is I pulled 6ga wire out of his boat.
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Old 08-06-2004, 10:29 PM
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Now I see it. Minn Kota Riptide 65 . Looks like all the 65 models draw 38amps max.

Your going to need a 40amp breaker.
http://bestboatwire.com/catalog/prod...roducts_id=537

I like installing a off/on switch too. The mini Blue Seas switch is what I put in my neighbors.
http://bestboatwire.com/catalog/prod...roducts_id=531

Wire chart for 3% drop & 10 % drop
http://www.kp44.org/Electrical_Specs.htm#Table%20C


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Old 08-06-2004, 10:47 PM
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Hey Warthog. Thanks for all your help. You're a great one. I just placed my order through them and got everything I needed, all wire, heat shrink, breaker, On/Off switch, all connectors, and 2nd day shipping for the same price the 6 guage duplex would have cost me at West. Great deal. Hopefully if schedule and weather permitting I can have all this installed in the next 2 weeks. I will let you know how it comes out since you helped me decide on the wire and what all is needed.

You Da Man!
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Old 08-06-2004, 11:02 PM
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Did you look at the wire chart I listed?

A couple of things I did on that 17 Keywest.
I put 2- gp29 batteries in battery box's under the console.
A gp29 battery WILL fit in a gp27 box.
I also install a minkota dual bank battery charger under the console.
Now all he has to do is plug it in.
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Old 08-06-2004, 11:20 PM
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Yeah, I moved down and went with 4 guage. I havent bought my batteries as of yet but very soon. I have a guest onboard battery charger I am installing. Its a dual bank with 5 amps per bank. I figured this would be sufficient to charge since I only get to fish on the water on weekends and would have the work week to charge. I will probably buy my batteries tommorow, what kind would you suggest?
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Old 08-07-2004, 09:02 AM
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That's good, I would have suggested that you up it to the 4ga.
On batteries. I and a few of my friends have had good luck with the marine batteries at Auto Zone.
One other thig about them is they are open 7days a week and if you have a problem, it can
be exchanged easily. The cost will not break the bank either.
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