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Old 07-25-2004, 05:54 PM
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Does anyone know WHICH SONAR gives you best definition on 'fish' targets'. and of course, those rockpiles? One that is easy to use, (preferably color, but will use monochrome), and will clearly separate the bottom from fish? It's all about fishing, you know.
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Old 07-25-2004, 06:04 PM
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Raymarine with a DSM250 and you can seperate the Bottom form Fish!! different colors mean different
thing's ...I.E. fish from Bottom and structure!!!
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Old 07-25-2004, 07:01 PM
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Thanks for the info on the Raymarine DSM250. I checked it out and it reads like what I want alright...except for one thing...it's the small screen size..3 1/2 inches diagonal. I would prefer a much larger viewing screen...don't suppose this comes any larger?
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Old 07-25-2004, 07:18 PM
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That DSM 250 doesn't have any screen!

You select the display you need from the Ray lineup!
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Old 07-25-2004, 08:56 PM
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Assuming you don't want a GPS/Chartplotter/FF combo then you mean a standalone unit. What depth do you need this to work in? Either way really the Furuno and new Ray offerings are going to be tough to beat in every way but price. Sonar only graphically displays what it hears from echo returns. You have to interpret the data. The Garmin 240 series has little fish symbols that make it pretty easy if you want that route.

You need to be more clear if you want a standalone or combo.
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Old 07-25-2004, 11:44 PM
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I assume you want to see the yellowtail and grouper hanging off the deep north end structure off of San Marcos Island, and you will need about 1000' feet of capability there, and on the way to tortuga.

If this is the case, you should be looking at machines with a minimum of 500w steady output, and if you can afford more, go to 1 kw.

The Garmin 240Blue, small screen mono at $212 is the cheapest reliable FF that will meet your needs, and the color Furuno 582 at $1300 is at the other end of the spectrum, unless you want to spend some real dough. 3 brands are popular now and include Furuno, Garmin and RayMarine. RM has had problems in the past, but owners of newer models that have up to 6" screens are getting pretty strong in their defence saying that their new automatic adjusting technology is out in front, and that QA problems are a thing of the past. So I think you should take a good look here when you compare side by side.
I personally like the Garmin 240Blue or 320Color for the price, but the large market share still goes to Furuno.
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Old 07-26-2004, 08:43 AM
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You have to establish limits to ask the question. How deep do you want to fish, what do you want to spend, how much room do you have to mount the thing?

While I'd agree that among those that are normally considered for smaller boats that the Furuno 582L comes out on top every time, but they aren't for everyone. For one thing they are neither cheap nor small (I guess that's really 2 things, isn't it? So sue me.). On the other hand Lowrance makes a nice little color machine (I think its called the X67C) with a cute little screen of about 4" that has very nice color and doesn't cost an arm and a leg. There is one thing though, if you really want to see definition you need shade. If you've got shade let me suggest this to you - and only if you have shade - the Furuno model 667, a machine that has been on the market for about 10 years, will absolutly blow you away with what it can show. There is no LCD machine that can begin to touch any CRT machine (even monochrome CRT machines) when it comes to showing fish, bottom structure, theroclines, or anything else in the water.

In a more simple terms look at it this way, the fish finder you want to use to compare any other small boat fish finder too is the Furuno 600L. So if its the standard why would you want to own anything else?

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Old 07-26-2004, 09:05 AM
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Thom you have to try and get over the fact that crt's are going down the path of obsolesence. The 667 is not nearly as good of a machine as you would have others believe.

Just because it is a crt does not automatically qualify it as a better machine than a LCD unit. Why? 2 simple reasons.
It's power output is a mere 300 Watts, and its display only has a resolution of 232 x 240 pixels. Both are far below my lowrance 104C.

Argue all you want, but the fact remains the following statement concerning the 667 is pure rubbish, my 104 is light years better.
the Furuno model 667, a machine that has been on the market for about 10 years, will absolutly blow you away with what it can show. There is no LCD machine that can begin to touch any CRT machine (even monochrome CRT machines) when it comes to showing fish, bottom structure, theroclines, or anything else in the water.
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Old 07-26-2004, 10:19 AM
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Thanks for those helpful replys, guys. .... taking a crash course in sonar/resolutions/gps/dual transducers/etc these last few days. All info helps. (Restoring older units..Lowrance X70a and LFG-275.. found in my Baja garage seems to be counterproductive.. newest technology will best enhance my fishing). I will be seated behind a center console 21' with a large T-top, hence a fair amount of shade. The waters I fish will be from 25' near shoreline structures/reefs to 200'-500'-?. We have lots of rockpiles in 100' - 300' waters to check out for yellows, red snapper and grouper. We see schools surface boiling and suspended anywhere from 50 to unlimited...also 6' Humboldt squid from 300' and down. Dorado we sight fish for on surface(watch for birds, kelp, flying fish, current lines)...but a gps comes in handy to relocate the floating kelp the next day ( doesn't drift far at all overnight). How much $ for a good tool to help me find the fish and enjoy my retirement? What can I say? Why buy a $45K 4X4 to hunt the backcountry and not have good tires? So now come the next questions. What is the easiest of all these models to install myself? Will I have to order the dual transducer and gps antennae, whatever...seperately? I want to make sure all the components arrive in one package. Maybe there is one good unit that includes everything? The byownerelectronic mentioned on this forum, brokenlegdave, and westmarine sites seem to have good prices on all the mentioned models. Can't wait to try this out.
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Old 07-26-2004, 03:52 PM
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Okay...done. I decided on the LCX 19C 7" and will add the Series 6 pack for the GPS..this model comes with the dual freq. transducer w/temp. Should be fun. NOW...who ships the FASTEST? I know what THEY say, what do YOU say? I will ship to my friend in USA and he will bring it ASAP. Thanks for all the help.
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Old 07-26-2004, 04:19 PM
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make sure you go to lowrances websight and download the latest software update for the unit, along with the emulator and sonar viewer.

as for shipping who knows, I was quite pleased with the help from yachtjim of buyowneryachts.
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Old 07-26-2004, 04:34 PM
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Thanks Sea_Dad, will do. Muchas gracias, senor..es muy bueno adviso.
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Old 07-26-2004, 04:42 PM
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Esperate amigo. Lowrance no aguanta nada.
Compra el Furuno 582 con un transducer de 1 KW si quieres algo muy bueno, y mas barato. Checka los precios in West Marine, de sopresa, son muy buenos. Deja que Thom te ayuda con la seleccion del transducer. El Lowrance que tiene SeaDad vale $2400, y es bueno, pero los modelos mas baratos no sirve para nada. De veras.
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dude dont be cussing about me in spanish.

I got mine for far less than $2400 from yachtjim. He treats members of THT very well.

By the way the 104 is better than the 582.
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Old 07-26-2004, 07:01 PM
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Quisiera agradecer a todos los miembros del foro de la THE HULL TRUTH que me han ayudado en esta busqueds para mi barco y tambien la electronica que me ayudaran a coger muchas cenas de los pescados. Usted es siempre agradable en mi barco y en mi hacienda. Agradezca le y la buena pesca.
I would like to thank all the THE HULL TRUTH forum members who have helped min in this search for my boat and also the electronics which will help me catch many fish dinners. You are always welcome in my boat and in my hacienda. Thank you and good fishing.
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