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Old 11-28-2003, 05:13 AM
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Hi.

I'm new to the forum, first post: i have boston whaler 190 nantucket that i just traded up to. i boat in barnegat bay, NJ and hopefully now with the new boat will feel comfortable doing some near shore fishing maybe a mile out or so.

im getting a good vhf installed....probably a Standard Horizon Quest with DSC. As far as GPS. I am not sold on its need for me. Assuming I will get one would you guys recommend portable or fixed? many have told me to get the garmin 188c, but it seems pricey. and a portable would allow me to kind of have it mounted on the CC, yet take it with me also when i leave the boat.

thoughts? Thanks

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Old 11-28-2003, 06:25 AM
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Welcome to the forum and the Captains Club and lots of luck with your new boat!

To answer your question my recommendation would be to go to the fixed mount. Portables are nice, but tend to have smaller displays, and buttons, and the battery life can also be an issue. I have a small garmin handheld that I bought for use on the tower and as a back-up for the Northstar, it's a nice unit, but I replaced it after using it a few times with a fixed mount GPS 152 with the internal antenna. Two mounting knobs and one cable and it's disconnected, we're talking less than a one minute. You'll find that once you get used to the GPS being there you will not want to use your boat without it. One other thing, get the chartploter if you can, they're great and you'll enjoy it more than just the track plotter. Whatever you decide fixed or handheld I'd recommend the Garmin, easy to use and great support.

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Old 11-28-2003, 06:27 AM
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I have a fixed Raytheon gps/plotter. I also have a handheld Gps (Garmin 12), that cost around $125.. I think it comes down to this ...If you want something that will tell you exactly where you are , for mainly safety reasons a handheld is just fine. The handheld will offer you a unit that cant in any way be affected by the boats battery should it go bad, and its waterproof(really).The fixed units only really offer you a larger screen and plotting capabilities.You wont have to make another cutout on that new boat, which is an added bonus...On the note of handheld backups, you may be better off buying a handheld GPS and a handheld VHF,instead of putting all your $ into a single fixed unit GPS.... It will be more(and safer)bang for your buck!!
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Old 11-28-2003, 06:46 AM
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I recommend the Garmin 176C. Get the sandbag mount so you can use the metroguides in the car/truck and the bluechart cd for the coast.
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Old 11-28-2003, 06:50 AM
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jerzshaw,

Check out the Garmin 176C

http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap176C/

It's a nice hybrid, less money than the 188C, can be run portably off AA batteries (I use it hiking all the time) as well as it comes with a cradle that can be mounted on your console that has a connection to your boat's 12V power. Seems like a perfect compromise. I have one and have been very pleased.

As for need for a GPS, think of it as safety equipment. Off the Jersey shore you are going to have at least one bad fog incident a year, no? Also, of you ever do need to Mayday for yourself or another boat accurate positioning is critical.

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Old 11-28-2003, 08:29 AM
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Thanks Gents. Carty I am gonna look for the 176c.

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Old 11-28-2003, 08:49 AM
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You gents know the difference between the garmin 176c and the 182c?

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There are probably more similarities between the 176C and 182C than there are differences. Both use the same memory chips, both can take BlueChart data cards, or better yet, MapSource downloads from a CD-ROM. Both are about 1-1/2 pounds. The 176 has the America's Highway basemap and the 182 has the Worldwide Marine database. Both cover land and sea maps, with a slightly different focus. But both are, IMHO, deficient in shore detail and number of nav-aids, depending in part, on where you are.

Neither support auto-routing, which is great if you pull off an exit of a backed up Interstate highway and take a side road. Auto-routing recalculates a new route for you to get back onto your route to your destination. For awhile, that may be turning around and getting on the same exit you just got off of though. Neither provide direction prompts, i.e. turn right at the next street, etc.

Neither have the depth sounder/fishfinder included in the 188C. The first time you run aground, you'll be out shopping for one.

The 176 can operate off 4AA batteries for a little while, both can operate off a 12V cigarette lighter plug. Both can be had with internal GPS antennas and are easy to move from boat to vehicle and vice versa. The 182C operates on 8-35 VDC, while the 172, when on external power, operates off 10-40VDC. This means the 182C is less likely to reboot during motor starting.

Both have a 16 color LCD and a screen width of approximately 3". The 176C presents the chart in landscape mode, with a height of 2.26" while the 182C presents it in portrait mode with a height of 4.02". Landscape mode shows you more of your course to come if you're going east or west and in the "North Up" mode. Portrait shows you more if you're going north or south in "North Up" and more if you're moving in any direction with the "Course Up" mode. The 176C display has better resolution, with about 106 dpi, while the 182C is about 81 dpi.

The 176 could be placed on top of your console with waterproof adhesive velcro and powered by a cigarette lighter plug.

Hope this helps,

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Old 11-28-2003, 10:54 AM
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So Moe...

IYHO Would you pay up and get the 188c?

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Old 11-28-2003, 11:17 AM
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Can't beat Garmin...I have three, all for different reasons. Deffinately need the chart/map capability...great units. Now, tell us about the new Nantucket!

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Old 11-28-2003, 11:26 AM
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The 188C is what I intend to get for my 150 Sport because of the limited console space, and for having less to take with us when leaving the boat moored.

If I had all that beautiful console space of the 190 Nantucket, I'd DEFINITELY pay the $480 extra over the $1099 188C to permanently mount a $878 182C external antenna GPS and a matching $689 320C fishfinder w/transducer side by side. I'd flush mount the antenna on top of the console opposite the compass. Seriously!

Either way, you need about another $250 for 64MB memory card, AC/PC adapter, and BlueChart CD-ROM. Protective covers are $13 each.

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Old 11-28-2003, 11:44 AM
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One thing I haven't been able to ascertain for sure is if you upgrade from the Standard Horizon Quest to the Intrepid+ with NMEA out, if it will put the DSC sender's position on a Garmin chartplotter.

SH says it definitely will with their chartplotter, but I don't know if that's done using proprietary NMEA sentences only it can use, or with standard sentences the Garmin can use.

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Old 11-28-2003, 12:38 PM
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Get color if you can afford it. Get the largest screen you can afford and fit at your helm station.

I have a Standard Horizaon CP150c and have been happy with it, except I wish I could have a larger screen. There was a thread earlier this year about the same model. That member had to wait over a month to get his unit serviced under the warranty. I also have a Garmin GPSIII (highway) that I returnned for warranty service and had it back in about 2 weeks.

Based on that comparison and similiar reports on this forum, I'd suggest Garmin. I got the S/H unit because (to make a long story short) I felt more comfortable with the local chart option for my area.
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You guys have a lot of good advice, but I would like to add one point.
I bought a Magellen Platium for $300, and it has so many goodies that I like to take it in the car, as its map functions really help me pass the time and find my way.
A big display for the boat is great, but I like my handhold so much, I don-t think I could do without this high tech weeny wonder when I go fishing, hunting, cross country skiing, back country motorbiking, or to navigate an address in any large town in the USA or Canada.
Guess you should buy both if you can afford it, but a good handheld comes in handy off the boat too.

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Old 11-28-2003, 01:28 PM
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Even if you use a RAM mount to put the handheld close in front of your face and make it a lot steadier than trying to hand hold it, the tiny screen is just too hard to read in waves, when I want both hands on the wheel anyway.

The side to side motion of your head means a screen at close distance is moving through a much wider angle of your vision, and your eyes are constantly trying to follow it. Your vision's depth of field is much shallower when focused on a close object, so the fore and aft motion of your head means your eyes are constantly trying to refocus.

While a large screen at a further distance may not have any larger apparent size than a handheld up close, it's much easier on the eyes when things are moving around. The bigger, the better.

If I HAD to make do with a handheld for car, boat, hiking/hunting, etc, I'd wait for the upcoming color Garmin 60CS, which can take BlueChart, City Select, and 24K Topo MapSource products, AND has auto-routing. Unlike the C model, the CS has electronic compass and altimeter.

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Hi jerzshaw.

I just upgraded this past summer from the mono 176 to a 182C.
Both units were (are), removed from the boat as soon as the boat is parked.
The depth sounder and VHF also come out of the boat and into the house when the boat gets home. The only advantage to the 176 is it will run on AA batteries so you can use it anywhere!
The 182 is a much nicer unit for straight marine aplication. The bigger and brighter screen makes a huge difference on a bouncing boat IMO.

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Old 11-29-2003, 03:24 AM
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Thanks guys. I am going to go with Garmin. I will probably get the 188c. Your posts real helpful.

Mumbler: The nantucket will be delivered to me in about 6 weeks. I test drove it with the 115hp 4 str, as well as one with a 115hp 2 stroke. Everyone seems to feel that you need at least the 135 opti on this rig....and if you do a lor of offshore with the boys they are probably right.

I personally loved the 115 4 stroke. on the test run, 2 200lbs men and 30 gallons of gas did 35 mph at 5200-5400 rpm's. I expect in the summer, with me and the youngins on, that speed will drop 2mph. I can accept that because it is so quiet a boat, with great fuel economy.

Ride: SMOOOTH. we sliced though chop with ease and the boast was bone-dry. What a difference from my 16 footer. The lines of the boat are timeless too.

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