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Old 12-28-2003, 08:02 AM
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Garmin is announcing several new models: the Rino 130 the GPSMAP 60C the GPSMAP 172C and the GPSMAP 178C All should be available in 1Q04. All of them have color screens faster processors and more memory.

Here is my question. Check the pricing out on these units. They seem to be taking a page from IBM in the 60's ("If it is bigger/faster, it has to cost more"). This is totally the opposite of the rest of the electronics industry.

Have you priced a laptop computer lately ($699 for a new HP, with CD-RW and DVD), or a television (entry level 27", under $200), or any other computer gadget (Thumb Drive, $9.99 AR).

Even though I have no doubt that Garmin makes fine products, I feel like the boating public is being taken advantage of.
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Old 12-28-2003, 08:34 AM
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There are two basic methodologies for setting pricing:

With "cost" pricing the cost of an item is marked up by a relatively constant percentage to cover distribution.

With "value" pricing the price is set according to the value delivered to the customer.

For a vendor, value pricing provides a lot more flexibility, er potential profit , than cost pricing.

Vendors that sell commodities (laptops, televisons) are forced to use cost pricing because it is relatively difficult to distinguish the value they provide from their competition.

Garmin GPS units are far from being commodities (just read the postings in this forum). Their new products offer more value e.g. "color screens faster processors and more memoryā€¯. Simply, Garmin charges what their (quite enthusiastic) market will bear.

To the extent that their market is willing to substitute other vendors' equipment for Garmin they may, someday, be forced to cost pricing.

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Old 12-28-2003, 08:48 AM
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I don't think I can help you with your feelings but the 172C seems like a winner to me. Priced 34% lower (MSRP) than the 182C, the screen has better resolution and is square (my pref) vs rectangular. The screen is physically a bit smaller in height, yet contains 37% more pixels overall.

With all of the choices I have for where to spend my $$, I am not feeling taken advantage of at all.
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Old 12-28-2003, 10:01 AM
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I really like the specs on the 60c handheld. 2x more memory than the 76s, 30 hour battery life and a faster processor and color screen. All for about $50 more.

Can't wait until it comes out

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Old 12-28-2003, 02:30 PM
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man, gotta have the handheld color unit. guess i'll have to sell my other two handhelds -- including brnd new gpsmap 76s -- to justify buying it.

oh, the stated battery life for all handhelds is complete b.s.
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Old 12-28-2003, 05:11 PM
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looks to me like the 172c has no differential:waas enabled USCG,RTCM-104(requires the purchase of optional beacon receiver).

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Old 12-28-2003, 05:45 PM
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Forget the MSRP. I just purchased a Garmin 320c for $685 new. The MSRP is $840. Take the MSRP and discount it 20%. That is what you should find it on sale for. The 176c is listed at $685 MSRP. You can buy one for $539. MSRP id designed to make you think you are getting a deal.
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Old 12-29-2003, 03:41 PM
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what is this diffential thing on the 172c,it says, WAAS enabled USCG,RTCM-104 (Requires the purchase of optional beacon receiver). It also says Receiver is WAAS enabled 12 parallel channel GPS, the 182c makes no mention of this differential thing? ANYBODY ANYBODY sounds like the 172 does not have everything the 182 has.

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Old 12-30-2003, 02:22 PM
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Old 12-30-2003, 03:02 PM
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The 182 and the 172 both use the GA29 antenna...not sure what they mean by "Requires the purchase of optional beacon receiver" unless they're refering to Digital GPS, but I don't think you can run DGPS and WAAS on the same unit.

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Old 01-03-2004, 06:21 PM
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The new 172c does look good, but to get 3meter pinpointing waas you need a black box to decode. Accuracy is only 15 meters with out it. The part is on garmin's web page, not sure if it will work with internal antenna.
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Old 01-04-2004, 08:14 AM
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"Garmin charges what their (quite enthusiastic) market will bear."

I don't think that's quite fair. There are costs involved in designing, producing, and marketing the product that have to be considered. The market for chart plotters and GPSs is mucn smaller than the market for personal computers or television sets, thus a larger percentage of Garmin's (or any other GPS manufacturer's) cost is for the research and design, etc. Pricing for such products seems to be competetive at this point with the higher priced products offering more features. Garmin products can be found discounted on the Web.


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Old 01-04-2004, 11:43 AM
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Tom C,

You don't need anything additional to make use of the WAAS capability, its built in and as long as the birds are in sight it will work. What you would need a separate receiver for is use of its Differential capability. As it is you will get just as good positon information from WAAS as you will from Differential, at least as long as you are in the continental US. I do not know how well it will work elsewhere.

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Thanks for reply,so the differential is the same as WAAS, i take it

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The FAA's WAAS and USCG's DGPS are two different systems for determining errors in information from the GPS satellites, and transmitting correction signals to users.

WAAS, an FAA system specifically for aircraft, has 25 precision GPS receivers located throughout the US that feed GPS satellite information to 3 central computers, which then calculate the errors and needed corrections, and transmit them to two geosychronous satellites at the equator. These satellites then rebroadcast the corrections to users on the same frequencies used by the GPS satellites. This means that any GPS receiver can pick them up. All it needs is the software to use them. If it has this software, it is said to be "WAAS enabled."

The downside (at least according to the USCG) is that the further north you are, the lower in the southern sky the WAAS satellites are, and there is a possibility that the correction signals could be blocked by warehouses or other obstructions you might find around a narrow channel where you'd need the corrections the most. WAAS is NOT certified for Safety of Life At Sea (SOLAS) maritime navigation, but it is WIDELY used by the boating community, and is the only correction option available on handheld units.

The USCG's DGPS was specifically designed for maritime use and is certified for approach and harbor navigation. It uses precision GPS receivers that calculate corrections colocated with old land-based medium frequency radio beacons. The signals from these aren't line of sight like satellite signals, and can follow the curvature of the earth and get around obstructions. But like all radio signals, there is a limit to their range and they are subject to interference. The USCG claims they are more accurate the closer you are to one.

The downside is that you need a separate antenna and receiver for DGPS, and it talks to the GPS via the RTCM-104 protocol.

I believe the USCG claims DGPS is more accurate, but that real world test have found WAAS to be more accurate. BTW, the correction data transmitted by both WAAS and DGPS is said to be "differential."

At least all this is my understanding of it. Hope it helps.

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Wow 150sport, what a mouthful, but very informative. In a nutshell, for recreational(not life threatening navigation) either would be fine?

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Old 01-06-2004, 10:07 PM
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I use a Garmin 176C and is WAAS enabled, but being that I am right on the Canadian border and in the SanJuan Islands which have Islands taller than ridges and gullies , I don't get to use the WAAS very often, but it is still accurate enough for getting around. If I have to go blind (in the fog) through one of the narrow passes in the islands, I use my Impulse Loran C unit since I it set for the narrow/center part of the pass which can be as narrow as 20-30 feet.

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