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Old 05-08-2008, 04:44 PM
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Default Why is marine electronics lagging behind in price vs screen size???

Why can't someone come out with a low dollar large screen display? Come on,I just bought a 1080P HD 24 inch monitor for 385 bucks. I can't see that it costs that much more to make a 10" over a 4" display. Think about it? 4" displays??? That is crazy unless you don't have room.
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They probably sell 100,000+ (maybe more) of those tv's each year.....the total sales of marine units is much less.
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Take your new monitor in put it in a salt water environment and see how it fares. That said I agree that one would think the price would drop a little faster.
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Selling consumer electronics has a few advantages. Design the unit. build a factory with an automated production line. Buy components by the container load. Distribute in your own ships and trucks to vendors who buy pallets full of product. Sell everything in what looks a lot like a supermarket, with cars lined up outside to load their purchases. Two year old stuff goes to a landfill, and everyone gladly buys the latest and greatest.
Marine electronics ain't like that. AT. ALL.
People use consumer electronics in 72 degree living rooms with 50% humidity and reliable electricity Nobody gets fish blood all over the unit, and nobody expects it to take the occasional soaking with saltwater. They plug the unit into cable or satellite, and blame THAT company for any compatibility problems. They buy the stuff for entertainment only, their lives are never at risk, and an unreliable TV isn't going to destroy the car or the house. Customers on average never consider the technical specifications of the internal workings beyond assuring themselves it will turn on and play something. Marine Electronics ain't like that. AT. ALL.
Four BILLION people have TVs. Four Thousand people have marine networks.
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I too have wondered about the price of these things especially the "multifunction displays". They are truly absurdly priced compared to similar electronics. I have to believe they would sell a lot more if they priced them in a reasonable manner. Just to pick a random example, a Ray e80 at about 2500$ (!) is out of the question. Its an 8 inch moderate resolution 640x480 screen. Not picking on Ray, all brands have Tiffany like prices on what is really not that complicated a device, being only a display. To make it work you have to sink untold more $$ into gps receivers, FF, radar antennas, etc.

I know its boating, but I would buy more and nicer gear more often if the price was more reasonable.
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So what is a reasonable price for a 8" waterproof/ water resistant LCD display unit?
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AC - 5/8/2008 4:44 PM

Why can't someone come out with a low dollar large screen display? Come on,I just bought a 1080P HD 24 inch monitor for 385 bucks. I can't see that it costs that much more to make a 10" over a 4" display. Think about it? 4" displays??? That is crazy unless you don't have room.
How much was the video card and laptop that's goes with the display unit?
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What baffles me is that (pick your brand) a 12" unit fully loaded with software and buttons, and charts and whatever else costs maybe $3000, and a 12" Monitor from the same company without all the software and charts (just a monitor) costs $3500. Explain that one....
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Being a software developer I looked into making my own GPS chartplotter for my boat. Using NMEA 183 and 2000 serial command is quite easy for me. I could easly build a PC with a couple of 8 GB solid state drives and water proof it and run it on 12V DC for less then $1000. The kicker, I looked into Weatherproof LCD displays, for a 12 inch, non-touch screen display I was looking at about $3500 like Jim said. I started looking at the Garmin 42XX series at that point and bought the 4208. For what it does, the 4208 and C80 are very cheap.
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yachtjim - 5/9/2008 11:15 AM

What baffles me is that (pick your brand) a 12" unit fully loaded with software and buttons, and charts and whatever else costs maybe $3000, and a 12" Monitor from the same company without all the software and charts (just a monitor) costs $3500. Explain that one....
Or, why a "black box" sounder or radar costs as much as the same mfg.'s standalone unit w/ display?

The list goes on...
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Default Re: Why is marine electronics lagging behind in price vs screen size???

It may be that prices have NOTHING to do with cost, content, or quality whatsoever. Prices may depend EXCLUSIVELY on what people are willing to pay for something. Why sell two of anything for twenty dollars when someone else is willing to pay (or perceives its value to be) forty dollars for one? If that isn't the whole story, its a big part of it.
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In addition to the small scale of marine electronic production, the principal differences between displays used in marine electronic devices compared to home units are:

--sunlight viewable color display
--waterproof


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Usually a lot of marketing goes into products that have a high profit margain. I see alot of marketing being done on these higher end units. Tells me something. I have to agree with sandyda. Alot of it is that we're conditioned to expect to pay a high price for these units. I do think they're priced several hundreds of dollars more than they should be.

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Default Re: Why is marine electronics lagging behind in price vs screen size???

Or why a outboard motor cost more than a new car.
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Two Up: That DOES rattle me!
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Default Re: Why is marine electronics lagging behind in price vs screen size???

Anything that says "marine" on it automatically costs 75% more than you think it should.

I think that printing the word "marine" on the packaging significantly increases the cost of production.
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DrJim - 5/9/2008 6:31 AM
I too have wondered about the price of these things especially the "multifunction displays". They are truly absurdly priced compared to similar electronics.
Really? How "similar" are you talking about? Sunlight viewable, waterproof, no fan (all heatsink) and a whole slew of interface ports, oh and very low power consumption. Just what devices are you talking about that are "similar" and equipped this way?

I have to believe they would sell a lot more if they priced them in a reasonable manner.
Do you have any idea what the total number of boats sold is annually? It's a *considerably* smaller market.

I know its boating, but I would buy more and nicer gear more often if the price was more reasonable.
Nobody will argue against that, as customers we'd all like that. But wishing ain't gonna make it so.
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tobnpr - 5/10/2008 5:51 AM

yachtjim - 5/9/2008 11:15 AM

What baffles me is that (pick your brand) a 12" unit fully loaded with software and buttons, and charts and whatever else costs maybe $3000, and a 12" Monitor from the same company without all the software and charts (just a monitor) costs $3500. Explain that one....
Or, why a "black box" sounder or radar costs as much as the same mfg.'s standalone unit w/ display?

The list goes on...
Mfg's don't like leaving money on the table. ;?
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So all we have to do is boycott marine electronics. Sure, That'll happen..... (long after pigs start worrying about their SkyMile accounts!)
As Pogo said a long time ago, "We have met the Enemy, and They are Us!"
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Default Re: Why is marine electronics lagging behind in price vs screen size???

Is there any way to connect an external monitor to the average fishfinder's video output? That would do it for me. I see automotive dvd players with decent screens for a hunnert bucks...

Chuck

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