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Old 06-10-2003, 09:18 PM
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We're definately deciding on something this week and getting it from somewhere because we're trying to roll our biggest electronics purchase into the boat financing, so...

For a 24' boat with a bimini top where the electronics will serve mainly a navigation/safety role but also be used for a healthy amount of fishing... we were thinking of doing a combo unit. Our short list at the moment is the Furuno 1650 or the Garmin 188 or 188C. Do you have any others you like, or what are your thoughts on those three units? In terms of what they
offer, the real deal with them, and bang for the buck.

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Old 06-10-2003, 09:43 PM
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What kind of money are you talking? How deep of water are you fishing? What charts do you want to use? I have a Simrad CE 32 DGPS/CMapChartplotter/Bottom machine that works very nicely for me on the gulf coast. I also have a SITEX Profish that was a lot less money but is easier to read in bright sunlight. SITEX Bottom machine doesn't have as good resolution as the Simrad. Can't really go wrong with a Furuno either. If you can, whatever unit you get, get a multifrequency through hull ducer and the boat manufacturer's recommendation for placement to get good clean water under it at most speeds. WAAS is a good option to get. You might also consider getting a unit that you can bring into your house and download spots off your computer using compatible chart software, rather than having to key them into the unit on the boat. You can call Breakwater Marine Electronics and talk to Derek or John and they will give you the straight poop on just about anything on the market (they carry it all) and will beat anyone's price if you can provide the competitor's phone number for verification.
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It's great to see you and your Parents pulling the trigger on a quailty Family boat that will provide you all with many years of enjoyment along with teaching you the verious in's and out's of boat ownership and what appears to be wise money mangement....So let's look at it from a bystander point of view, I was sitting in a situation very much like your in now a couple years ago and I really loved the Lowrance 168 unit but having spent hours talking to several guides who use the units everyday. I stayed away from combo unit's simply from the stand point of one goes and you lose both due to repair time and with so many shops cutting prices these days the upfront cost is a non issue. But the real deal is by saving 50.00 on the unit how and who will install and will the job cost 100.00 for a walk in or free with a buy here install here free in a local shop. So you can see the factors to choseing the unit combo/sep units, instalation issues and cost
really gets indepth. Personaly I install all my stuff simply so I can stand on my head in the bilge and insure I do not cut corners, Also as a young man you will learn more about what the low down on the throw down is below the deck you clean every weekend.... Good luck ....John
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I think you would be better off with the Garmin 188. c is your option just more bucks.

I think for your roll the Garmin map is a bit better. Since you say it will mainly be used for navigation.

Furuno makes a great bottom machine, but adequate chartplotter. Where gamin is just the opposite. Great chart, ok fishfinder. But very usable, im sure you won't be dissapointed.

If size is a concern, you can always jump up to the Garmin 238.
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Old 06-11-2003, 05:16 AM
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I have a furuno 1650WF using CMap charts on my small boat. It works great both as a fishfinder and chart plotter. If I had a larger boat and had the room I would spend the extra bucks and go with the 1850.

If I was going to buy separate machines though I would probably go with the furuno 582L sounder and garmin 2006 or 2010 color chart plotter.

Good luck with your new rig.
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We really want to stay under $1000 here, but here's the way its breaking down (prices from ByOwnerGroup.com):

Cheapest Combo 759.00
*Garmin 188 Mono
Best Combo 1289.00
*Furuno 1650DF
Cheapest Separates 898.00
*Garmin 182 Mono and Garmin 240 Blue
Recommended Separates 1437.00
*Garmin 182 Mono and Furuno 600L Color with Thru-Hull Transducer

That's lots of $.

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Those are nice choices Ben, but have you looked at the Eagle combos or the new Humminbirds? They compare really well to the G-188, but cost hundreds less. Of course, since their rather new products compared to the Garmin, there's not nearly as many in use yet.
I put the Eagle SeaCharter 320DF on my boat this winter, and added a two-state chip, for a combined total of $609. That's a 5.5" mono screen WAAS GPS with dual frequency sonar, and speed + water temperature.
You can do a search on Google or Dogpile by make and model number to find the best price.
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I bought a Standard Horizon cp150c this year.

In my research I found that Garmin has better map options and the CD-downloading and PC planning options were very apealing. You can do "arm-chair" navigation before traveling.

Unfortunatly... The Garmin mapping example of my main boating area (Lake Winnipissaukee) was not that detailed. There is a chart company up here called "Biezer" who make good local lake charts that I like and they are available on C-Map (Navionics) memory chips. I'm also planning to get the coastal version for Portsmouth NH.

I decided to get the 'c' version because the color display makes the details stand-out.

My advice to you is... Get the color version of whatever you like the best. Get as large a screen as you have space and funds for. Larger memory is better too, if it's not full (from my experience with PC's anyway) the machine will process faster.

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Don't forget... www.consumersmarine.com (you can pick their brain, too) www.GPSdiscounts.com and www.brokenlegdave.com I think Garmin and Furuno is a great combination.

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If you haven't already you might check www.byownergroup.com his prices are lower than consumer's marine on a lot of things.
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You might want to consider the Lowrance LCX 104c. I have one awesome machine, with a good thru hull transducer at tolling speed I will consistently read the bottom in over 2000 to 3000 ft if that is your type of fishing.

Screen is very easy to read in daylight and polorized lenses have little effect on viewing.

Something else to consider.
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If you want to stay under $1000...your best buy performance and quality - wise is the Lowrance LCX-15MT combo for $975. I've had very good responses on this unit.

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Old 06-12-2003, 11:14 AM
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If it will fit, spend the extra money and go for the 1850.
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Old 06-12-2003, 11:39 AM
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Consumers is running a closeout special on the Raymarine L755, with T/M transducer and WAAS antennae it is $637. It is Mono, but it will get you on the water.
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Old 06-12-2003, 02:28 PM
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Just talked to a salesman at a Boat US store over the phone, he says the Raymarine combo units are unparalleled and top of the line. What do you guys think? He also said a lot of the Standard Horizon stuff is top of the line, like their displays and GPS.

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The Raymarine is very appealing... but it is a definate compromise. I think my thoughts right now are:

*Raymarine L755 with WAAS and T/H triducer, mono, for $787
*Garmin 188C with WAAS and T/H triducer, color, for $1288
*Furuno 1650WF with WAAS and T/H triducer, color, for $1394
Is the Raymarine worth losing the color to save $500-$600? I guess its a personal preference, but what's yours?

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The Raymarine 755 would be nice, especially with the DSM250, but the new 760 Hi-Brite color is hard to beat. Don't forget that the 760 screen is 640x480 vs the 755 at 320x240.

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The 755 is on clearance for half as much as the 760. I in no way can justify $700 more just for color.

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Ben,

Why a thru hull transducer? I have heard that they are better, but I can't say. I run a transom mount on my boat and have no problems with keeping a lock on the bottom at speed. I've never had a thru hull.

The installation cost and additional cost of a thru hull transducer may not be your best money spent. If you decide you don't like the transom mount later and want the benefits of a thru hull, it is an easy upgrade to a thru hull.

If it were me, I would be inclined to get some experinece with the boat first, see if you need or want to cut that hole in the bottom. Another reason I don't have a thru hull...I have almost no where to put it. Acces to the bilge of my pursuit is quite terrible. I don't think I could drill a hole in the bottom and reach it if I wanted to. It may be different in your boat.

As to the preference, I will not go back to a mono fish finder. The color is too important to me. Useful for the bay, necessary for offshore in my book.

Ben, have you joined the Frederick chapter of the MSSA yet???

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I've know you've been given a million options on the units themselves and a hundred options on where to get them, but I'll add this.

I don't think any of the aforementioned places beats Bethel Marine www.bethelmarine.com on price and they are great people, too. I bouht the electronics for my last boat from them and I'll buy the electronics for my new boat from them.

Given the boat you're buying, I'd get the Furuno 1650WF without a second thought. I think it beats the others in every respect. The FF portion of this unit is the FVC-582 which sells for the same price as the 1650WF. They've thrown in a daylight viewable 6" LCD color chartplotter for nothing.

If you wanted basic navigation (no chartplotter), you could get a nice color FF like the Furuno 667 ($600) or 600L ($700) and get a Furuno GP-32 fixed-mount GPS without chartplotting for about $300 and you'd be right at your $1000 threshold.

Just another opinion to add to the bunch

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