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Old 04-21-2003, 09:11 AM
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Buying an auto pilot is not easy so many
opinions!! My boat is a 23 foot outboard sea ox
hydraulic steering.
sirad ap-12 or comvav 1420???
any others out there I would love to hear your opinion! this auto will be interfaced with
a 2010c garmin nmea!!

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Old 04-21-2003, 09:26 AM
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or sitex sp-70??
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Old 04-21-2003, 10:05 AM
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comparing a simrad / comnav to a si-tex is truly apples and oranges. if you use your boat recreationally once a week and just want something to run to/from the fishing grounds, then the si-tex will do you fine. if you want something that will perform better for trolling and other slower speed operations, then get the simrad or the comnav.

you'll probably find a lot fewer users with experience with the comnav, but it is a very good unit.

for all usage, you can't go wrong with the simrad.
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Old 04-21-2003, 10:24 AM
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Installed it this winter on our Islander 270. Works GREAT. Highly recommended. Only question would be the 14H if you need to have a moveable control head and/or digital readout of the course.

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FYI-
The sitex pilot is made for them by comnav.
The problem with comnav is service. If anything needs to go to the factory it has to cross the border.
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Old 04-21-2003, 12:01 PM
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this auto pilot will be used primaraly for
trolling and point a to b offshore!!!

Thanks Bogii.

ps. ap-12 simrad sounds to be auto of
choice around here.???!!!
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Old 04-21-2003, 12:59 PM
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any comments on the raytheon models?
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Old 04-21-2003, 01:06 PM
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how are these two units different!!????
got some info that the ap-11 is alot better!!

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Old 04-21-2003, 03:55 PM
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I had the Ap-11 Installed Last year and it has proformed excellent in all kinds of conditions ie: cruise, troll, head sea, Quartering sea, beam sea, following sea. It is the best thing I bought for the Boat.
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Old 04-21-2003, 04:22 PM
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SeaDad,

I know they get bashed a lot here, but I have an ST5000 Plus and am happy with it. It works well, and easily interfaces with my GPS via the SeaTalk network. It also doubles as a data repeater to display any info available via SeaTalk. I use it coupled with an ST60 data repeater to display Bearing and Distance to Waypoint Info in large letters. Makes it easy to see when running.

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Old 04-21-2003, 05:53 PM
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I know 2 people and yourself as well that have the 5000's. No one seems to have voiced any concerns over theirs.

I am kind of curious as to what specifically is the problem folks have with them.
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Old 04-22-2003, 09:21 AM
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I installed a Simrad AP14R(R for rotart steering, as thats what I had). After removing the old steering setup, Install took me less than 2 hours start to finish. Have not sea-trialed yet, but Fluxgate came up with correct heading right away and I could turn my outdrive using the AP controller. If you have Rack n Pinion, you have to change your steering cable, if you have rotary, you just swap out. Everything is behind the helm.
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Old 04-22-2003, 10:36 AM
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ap-11 or 12 lets hear it!!!???
its for a 23 foot sea ox outboard -H steering
any other feed back. Bogii.
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Old 04-22-2003, 12:30 PM
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Bogii, why don't you do a search of the THT archives using ST5000 as the search argument. You will find lots of comments on this unit as well as the Simrad units.

Sea_Dad, you may wish to do the same thing.
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Old 04-22-2003, 12:59 PM
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The AP-12H is more than enough for your boat. It's fine on my GW Islander 270 and I'm pushing more boat around.

The AP-11 is stronger, but unless you just love to spend money.. get the 12H.

quote:Originally posted by Bogii:
ap-11 or 12 lets hear it!!!???
its for a 23 foot sea ox outboard -H steering
any other feed back. Bogii.

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The ST5000 is horrible. I have one, I hate it. Gives failure codes all the time, when it does decide to engage, it will veer off course with out warning and will absolutely refuse to stay on course in anything but lake like conditions. I would gladly give mine away to anyone that wants to remove it off my boat!!

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Old 04-22-2003, 01:46 PM
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Here's what I know about the differences between the AP-11 and AP-12:
Simrad bought Robertson a number of years ago, which was the top producer of autopilots. The AP-11 is a "Robertson/Simrad" design based on commercial systems. It is more of a component-type system that can be configured to many types of installations. For example, there are two heading sensor choices, two junction boxes, several types of hydraulic pump, several typs of rudder position sensors, multiple display head capability, handheld remote capability, and so on. It also has somewhat more sophisticated steering software that is better able to adapt to different wind and sea conditions.

A couple of years ago, Simrad bought Navico, which made a more recreational line of autopilots. The AP-12 and AP-14 are Navico designed products that were rebranded as Simrad to give them a lower cost, simpler system for recreational vessels.

For a basic outboard installation with a single display head, I am sure either one will give decent performance. If you want to do something like share the heading sensor with a radar/plotter that has chart overlay, you will need the added flexibility of the AP-11.
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Old 04-23-2003, 05:28 PM
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I had the AP-11 installed on my boat four years ago, I love it. I do alot of fishing 20 to 60 miles offshore and the AP-11 performs great in all sea conditions, great display and easy to operate. You won't regret buying it.
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Old 04-27-2003, 05:16 AM
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I use the Raymarine st 5000 and love it!! It'll hold course trolling (2.5 mph) into 4' seas.I also interfaced to a Garmin Gps which was a simple one wire hook up. The hand held remote mounted in the back of the boat is also a handy option.
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Old 04-27-2003, 05:35 PM
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I installed the AP-12H on my Robalo 2140 a few months ago and the install was basic and I have been very pleased. It worked exactly as advertised. No problems whatsoever.

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