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Old 04-26-2007, 01:19 AM
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Anyone use this unit. Is this type of image really possible.



Anyone have any real world photo's
Looks almost to good to be true.
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Old 04-26-2007, 08:38 AM
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My buddy has one and I could not believe it .The pitcher is so clear he does little fishing in RI. He goes
to Fl. January & Feb. So he said I can use it up hear when I want to so Iam going to buy 2nd station kit and try it out. He says it work great I will let you know once I get hooked up.
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Old 04-26-2007, 08:44 AM
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I just got one...only used on 2 trips but it is incredible. You can "see" tires on the bottom, rocks, pilings, and so on. Small bait looks like a cloud... I think it is better for finding structure than fish.
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Old 04-26-2007, 10:25 AM
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Excellent unit!

Just one big PROBLEM!

For us age and sight impaired folks why in the world don't they make a big screen unit (10 / 12")??? If they did there would be the only unit you would need if it had GPS mapping, standard color sonar and the side scan sonar they would have the market cornered!!!

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Old 04-26-2007, 10:51 AM
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trollme,
How does the unit work in rough water? I once owned a forward scanning unit made by another mfg and it was worthless unless it was dead calm.
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Old 04-26-2007, 12:04 PM
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To All,

I have just purchased 2-Humminbird 997C NVB units. Doing installs presently.Had 1 unit out last week on the water out of West Port ,Ma in Buzzard Bay,and also up the East branch of the West Port river.I also have tried the forward loooking sonars out their,with no success-except for a early Westmar SS-80 unit inthe 80's.

Now?,how to say what i need to say so it's understood?

The 997C unit with NVB("NVB" is a $200 option that places in flash memory on the main curcuit board all 2006 Navionics Gold Charts for the USA,inland,inshore and offshore) is a color screen unit when used with the downward looking sonar,and other screen modes.When in SI mode(Side Image), you have a screen/or a portion of the screen in a monochrome color of your choice.

The unit does as it's promoted.Can it be better?, - indeed Yes. Is it worth the price you pay?-Yes. Is it a work in progress? - Yes. Does the Factory support the machine after the Sale?, - Yes indeed. How is the Factory Support-IMHO, - THE BEST!!!! Would i buy the machine again/, - YES.

IMHO - it's going to change the way you fish-owning it. The unit needs a little work,factory and i are working on it presently. Am i going to review and post results here,- no not Yet! Will review it, when i think it's ready?,YES.

Right now the factory is supporting me, at a 100% level !!! Things i ask for: are being supplied,as needed, in a very timely manner. Am i sold ? on the: firm, machine, and the technology, indeed yes. Right now,i don't think any other firm would have been as supportive with/to me ...... Will the machine be a better,and will it result in a great unit for everyone, YES !!!!

Stay tuned in here,it will be worth your effort and time. And will result in changes, in the way you fish!
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Old 04-26-2007, 01:58 PM
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Is that to say you'd hold off on purchasing? I really like the looks of the new units and really like my current Humminbird unit and was planning on purchasing a 997 this summer...but I can wait if you say better things are to come.

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Old 04-26-2007, 04:15 PM
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I believe the "other" problem is that they have very limited depth range. For those of us fishing offshore, I think they are useless.
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Old 04-26-2007, 04:44 PM
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I think the side imaging depth limit is 100 feet. If you waters deeper than that, it's not useful.
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Old 04-26-2007, 05:04 PM
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tuna1,
What about the rough water issue and the image? Also what does the ducer look like and is it possible to mount it other than transom? Not much info about the ducer setup on their web site.
Lots of folks don't like Hummingbird because they have been a company making mostly electronics for fresh water but having sent several units back for service, it's hard to beat their response.
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Old 04-26-2007, 06:02 PM
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I called and talked to them about the transom x-ducer being the only one shown for the side imaging. There is a bronze thru-hull, call them and they'll give you the part number...it isn't in stores, but they'll set you up if you need it (like I do...inboards don't tend to like transom mount transducers.)
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Old 04-26-2007, 06:42 PM
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This YaHoo group site has tons of information as well as pictures of installs and screen shots of SI images.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sideimaging/

I just received mine for my fun boat but I'm not finished with the install. Everything I see on the above Yahoo group....this thing looks great. I use the big commercial grade sounders and sonars fishing in the Bearing Sea (Simrad ES 60, Furuno black box stuff & full Omni sonars). I would give a lot for a commercial version of this thing that could look out further and cover some depth.
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Old 04-27-2007, 01:22 AM
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Thanks for the feed back.
Most of my fishing is in the gulf in less than 80 ft.(Big bend area)
The main reason this unit has caught my eye is to help with my diving of the inter coastal water way,lakes and small rivers for fossils,arrowheads and other neat stuff. This has turned in to a full time passion.
If those pic's are for real it would be a great help in finding those ledges and holes that hold all the goody's. I have learned over time that logs and other features on the bottom are best to dive. This would hopefully take out some of the guess work.
Most of the time I would be slow trolling in shallow depths
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Old 04-27-2007, 09:52 AM
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To All That want more details on the Humminbird 997 HDSI unit :

The new 997 replaces the 987 unit the differences are the new unit has a larger screen,and they made changes to the transducer frequencies moving them upward. They made the frequencies higher to improve the detail in the images(HD),for the SweatWater-Bassfisher men.In my talking to the people at Humminbird they know it was a bad move for the Saltwater-Inshore/Offshore Market.They have the lower frequencies transducers availiable,i am presently conducting a testing program(when the Weather agrees up here in the NE,Not raining) to document the solution and do some fine tuning of the system.

Another Problem i found was: on deeper draft craft the filling of the water behind the transum at speed is a complex action.When compared to the bass fisher men who main problem is not to break the transducer of the transum in the stump filled ponds and lakes when using trolling motors.So most mount the HDSI transducer to the very bottom of their Jack Plate for their outboard and then use a inhull downward looking 2D transducer for the normal sonar images when at speed with no problems.

What i found was on deep draft craft the water filling the area behind the transum at above 10MPH is producing noise that the 2D downward sonar elements are hearing and therefore the screen and data above app.10 MPH is useless,the unit can't will not hold and lock bottom.It's a problem for now,and will be solved.The packing of the 997 SI unit for saltwater inshore/offshore can be addressed and will be. The unit is opperational as it is.Humminbird has a transducer exchange program in place.They have all the pieces on the shelf to put together a great Salt Water Inshore/Offshore Package that will ROCK the saltwater market place and change the way you fish. Call them up and tell then you want the Capt Ron/tunas1 Package for saltwater use. Some people there will know what you want!!! Call Greg Walters at Humminbird tel#334-687-6613 ext#1198 and talk to him about the unit and your wants and needs. The more responce he sees the sooner this will get done!
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Old 04-30-2007, 03:43 AM
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I got my 987c last summer on close out and it was still very expensive. I have had flawless performance and I can track ottom in standard sonar well over 35 mph. The side imaging has worked very well also. These units do in fact work at depths up to 150 feet, not 100 feet----150 feet. I use mine for fishing and diving. I have only a few snapshots because my last saltwater trip I had not enabled that function yet. It performed well in saltwater and the screen is plenty large and clear. The standard dual frequency sonar is excellent.

Working great with Navionics Gold and HD Fish Chip. Unit is mounted on a BW Outrage 190.











BTW, my wife swears she has been able to image me under the boat at about 30 feet scuba diving!!!!

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Old 05-01-2007, 03:22 PM
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I just uploaded an updated software load from Humminbird.com. I loaded it to a SD card and then popped it in my unit and whamo---new software--super easy!!!!

I love the 987c, the screen may be slightly smaller but the unit has the 255 hrtz side scan frequency and the 455 hrtz instead of the 800 hertz. I use the lower frequency when looking deep at 100-150 feet and in saltwater. Sure you loose detail and it is fuzzy(er) but you can see--even the 455 hrtz signal looses out at depth. I think dropping the lower frequency was a mistake.

Perhaps Humminbird will soon offer a tri-mode unit/option and perhaps a diver/saltwater option. They could do this with software and different transducer I think. Unless I could have the 255 hrtz side frequency I would not get the 997 over the 987. I need and use the lower frequency. It can see deeper through turbid water and it is less effected by boat rocking.

I understand the 797c still has the 255 and 455 isntead of 455 and 800? Is that wrong?

I would also like a port that would allow me to feed to my lap top. My next lap top will be a DuraBook and it would be nice to be able to utilize the large screen and manipulate and record data on the PC. Humminbird could make a few bucks sellingthe software package to support their units on the PC, zooms, image manipulation, filtering, digital enhancement etc.
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Old 05-01-2007, 08:41 PM
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high'n'dry - 4/30/2007 11:43 PM

These units do in fact work at depths up to 150 feet, not 100 feet----150 feet. I use mine for fishing and diving.
Having used a 987c for a couple years, I have to ask how you can make it work at 150 feet. I find that the dead area in the center of the screen widens as the water get deeper. Once you get to about 120 feet, there's not much left to look at. You've posted a few pictures. One shows the screen at 95 feet and the next shows it at 107 feet - yet there is more screen left at 107 than at 95! Both are done at a scan width of 164. I rotated the transducer to try and eliminate the dead area, but it is programmed into the system to avoid cross talk between the channels..
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Old 05-02-2007, 04:53 AM
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Per the manual you can get to 150 feet with the scan at 240 feet depending upon the contour of the bottom. You cansee in the scans I posted what I see at "scuba" depths of 70 to over 100 feet. The image you see with the 107 foot indication is on a very steep drop off. I have found that with sloping terrain I can see deeper than over flat terrain if I scan looking up slope. It is confusing and I am still learning---I agree, much beyond 100 feet on flat bottom the center dead band eats up the screen. I am hopefull that eventually Humminbird will provide us with a unit that has an adjustable dead band, tri range frequency and salt water imaging softwear optimization etc. Perhaps when the 1098 comes out--lol.
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Old 05-02-2007, 05:40 AM
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Also, I forgot, the pics above are at different frequencies and the sweep is different for both. The 255 sees 180 degrees while the 455 sees 160 degrees. This proably explains the discrepancy you see. Nonetheless you can clearly see that I am getting returns below 100 feet. Did I mention that the standard sonar is excellent for finding dive site and fishing sites at any depth?
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Old 05-02-2007, 05:41 AM
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double post--weird.
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