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Old 12-14-2002, 09:01 AM
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I'm pretty much settled on a Furuno FF thanks to all the great input on this board but can anyone assist in the choices offered. FCV667L, FCV 600L, and the FCV 582L. It will be on a 23' WA that I use primarily offshore. Of course when the pelagics aren't in I will naturally be picking around rocks here in SoCal. Lowrance is still a possible choice but Furuno seems to have a lot of support.
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Old 12-14-2002, 10:32 AM
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In general I'd tell you that you'll end up doing your best with a 600L. The 667 isn't made anymore for one thing but more importantly its a CRT display unit that is not easy at all to see on a boat that is mostly open to the sun. The 582L is a great choice too, but of course considerably more expensive and has a somewhat larger footprint.

If you plan to be in deep water, greater than 100 fathoms, I'd suggest the 582, if most of your activity is in moderate depth water, say a couple of hundred feet, up to maybe 800 or so the 600L will do you nicely. Either of those two Furuno units will treat you better than any Lowrance unit will.

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Old 12-14-2002, 03:00 PM
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Just need a little clarification on the depth concerns you mentioned. Yes I fish in waters over 110 fathoms but not for fish that deep. Do these units have a problem when they lose the bottom. I thought that was only an issue with low-end finders. I used to have an old Furuno monochrome CRT that would still show bait balls, thermoclines etc. even though I exceeded it's depth. The depth reading bounced all over but it still showed what was beneath me. I have seen low-end ones just turn to noise once the bottom was lost. What is the case here?
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Old 12-14-2002, 03:27 PM
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At 110 fathoms you'll be able to watch the bottom contour on most any day you're not getting your brains beat out. If you do loose bottom its just a matter of moving to manual control of the device, putting it on a range scale of your choice, and adjusting to suit your own taste. If you were to run it in automatic mode and loose bottom it will search through the range scales trying to link back up again.

If you expect to spend most of your time in water that deep I think you'll be a lot happier with the 582L to tell the truth. The additional 250 wattsof power along with the slightly larger screen will really be a better mix for you.

I will tell you this, and maybe it has meaning for you and maybe not. We fish the 100 fathom line and greater as a matter of course - it where we head and we don't drop lines 'till we get there. I have had a 600L on the boat for a good while now and if the boat wasn't filled with snow at the moment (might melt off tomorrow) I would have the mount, power cord, and transducer out of the the boat right now and the unit would be up for sale on E-Bay today (in fact it very well may be by this time tomorrow). I am doing that because after its been sold I am going to add some money to whatever I get for it and give Clint at 3-Rivers a call and get a 582L to replace it. This is not mere day dreaming on my part, there will be a 582L on my boat before it goes in the water again. My fishing is apparently much like yours and while I've liked the 600L just fine in the end it was not quite enough from my point of view.

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Flashover,

I didn't see that you were in southern California. Go to this site and ask around:

All Coast Sport Fishing

It it to a site mostly concerned with California fishing. There are a lot of very helpful and knowledgable people there and more to the point there are a whole whole whole bunch of guys using the fish finders you are interested in and using them in the places and situations you will be. They can give you specific first hand reviews of their experience in the waters and for the species you are interested in and in all likelyhood using the same techniquest too.

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Flashover- I also fish offshore for tuna in northern California and use the 582L. Our Tuna grounds are generally 3000 to 6000 feet deep and the unit works great. There is no way it will show bottom but works great for albacore and bait marks in the top of the water column. What myself and most of my friends do that use the unit is set the depth range to 150-250 feet. We run the unit on 200 khz and manually tune the gain to 70 to 80 percent. It picks up returns from bait and albacore in this range and is really accurate. If you do a lot of offshore fishing the 582L is the unit for you!!!

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i have the fcv 582 crt screen, I usualy leave for my fishing grounds way before daylight and find the crt screen much much better compared to the lcd as color and detail goes.Ofcourse you need the room, do to the size,but i love my crt screen,it is under my hard top so the sun isnt an issue, although it mite be outdated. As far as performance goes it will show you way more detail than the 600L as well as hold bottom well past 1500' as i discovered.Thom was on the money,when i fish deep canyons and lose bottom at 1800' or so i take it out of auto and and adjust my range and i will get bottom back up on screen,after 2000' its asking too kmuch.

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Just to throw a wrench into the fray... didn't have room for any of the CRT models so had to go LCD.

Have been using a FURUNO GP1650F for the last 2 years with NO problems whatsoever. IMHO I don't see the advantage of the FCV582L over the GP1650F. They cost almost the same, the LCD size is less than 1" difference, and the transducer specs are the same or better! However, with the GP1650F I ALSO get digital chart plotting and GPS which I use as a backup to my regular Furuno GPS unit. You can get the 1650F with DGPS but with SA turned off who needs the extra expense. The transducer install was EASY. The FF works GREAT regardless of the water depth and yes I've had it in water over 2500' deep. I especially like the A-scope feature and some of the other split screen functions. So it all boils down to a 5.6" LCD vs. a 6.5" LCD hey, for the added features [GPS and Digital Charts] I'll take the SLIGHTLY smaller screen. No problems reading the display in bright sunlight. My one complaint is that I use MAUI JIM polorized sunglasses and it is difficult sometimes to view the screen from a large side angle, so I move to a more front on angle and all is well.

Before I became a Furuno advocate I had a SITEX... in short... don't waste your time.
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Old 12-15-2002, 04:28 AM
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Thank you for all the replies and Thom, thank you for the new board. You have all provided a wealth of information. These BB's sure beat those "best buy" mags. Never quite sure what the agendas are behind the stories there.

While this Board does seem to be East Coast influenced I'm sure we can still learn a lot from each other. Ie; Tell me what you feed your Blue Fin? A big one out here is only 50# plus. I can see why you don't do as much stand-up as we do. If we caught fish like that out here we better know how to ski.
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Thom, You mentioned that you were pulling your 600L. Email me if you interested in selling it?tex4771@aol.com
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