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Old 03-20-2007, 11:20 PM
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Just installed the TR-1 this past weekend! It was a little windy Sunday to setup the autotune but I couldnt stand it so I gave it a try. Well, even with the wind it still went thru the autotune and compass calibration fine. When the wind decides to lay down I willinitiate another autotune just because the manual recommends a calm day. After the setup, the AP worked flawlessly with the exception of the shadow drive which I set a little more sensitive since it tookaggressive steeringto bypass the AP. This may of been due to the length of hose (24&quotbetween the helm and the shadow drive. After setting GPS north, the GPS tracking feature worked better than the published tracking accuracy (60-120') with my Garmin GPS. I have not setup any of the steering pattern parametersbut would be interested in some feedback with other TR-1 ownersthat use these functions for trolling.

I must say this was an easy install with all the redundant tags and directions. I followed the directions as specified in the manual with the exception of the pump mounting. I mounted the pumpon starboard with 1" isolators between the starboard and deck after reading some feedback with the pump noise. It turns out that the pump is not noticeable but the shadow drive creates some vibration with aggressive steering. This could be avoided by using some sort of isolation. I have couple ideas but need to make sure the shadow drive remains in a horizontal position. Purging the system was easy which may have been due to the return hose on the pump. On theadvice from a pro, I simply used an open container with the hose connected to the helm andsteered (helm & pump) L+R several times causing air bubbles to return up the fill hose. The bleeding technique in the seastar manual was not neccessary. The remote handheld was mounted using 3M superlock since I prefered not to drill any new holes in the dash due to a future relocation to a larger boat next year. The cable was routed thru an extra knockout in the dash which allows me to pull the cableout to steer the boat from the fishing area. The yamaha tach wires were exactly as described in the manual and took minutes to connect. While installing the power wiring I decided to replace the undersized ground wire installed under dash with a #4 tied to a 100amp busbar which should clear up a couple power issues I had over the summer. Some of these manufacturers need to do some voltage drop calculations before running a #10 ground 4' and then butt splicing a #8 for another 6' (which was backwards, larger wire should be first). The positive wire was fine since the battery switch is located at the front of console. The only thing remaining on my install is a couple tywraps and some cable management. I will post some pics later of the install with some feedback on my first seatrial (weather permitting).

So far I am quite pleased with the TR-1 and can say its well worth the few extra bucks, I'm glad I held out after the temptation of thecheaper units.
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I installed mine about 2 weeks ago and had the same basic experience, very easy installation and straight forward. It works wonderful although I think mine still needs some tweaking as it may be to sensitive, it is constantly steering. I ran it last weekend in quartering 3-5 foot 4 second apart Texas seas and it held a course perfectly. I had a problem with it losing the gps track every now and then and finally figured out that my GPS was hooked up to 4 other nmea devices and by shutting off of them it never lost its track. I am very very happy with mine so far and hope it runs this way forever.
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Flieman-
How do you like the Scout 282?
Im considering the 282 for my next boat.
Old 03-21-2007, 11:33 AM
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I have my GPS tied to the nema device for the radio distress call system on nema channel #2. I believe you can purchase a nema hub that may help your situation.
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Mine is a 280 Scout, there is a little difference in the two. They started making the 282 in 06, mine is a 02 model. I love the boat so far, I have owned 28 boats and this is my favorite boat by a long shot. I had some initial small crap but Scout fixed it with 0 issues. It has 980 hours on it and I have had it 3 years so it gets used quite a bit.

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Here are some pictures of my TR-1 installation.Theexisting electronics were installed by a previous owners boat dealer. I added the additional ground bus due to some previous voltage drop problems. Also added the GPS terminal block for the TR-1 interface. You think TR-1 would give an extended dealer warranty based on these pictures?













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reel magic -
very nice install - call the tr-1 office in dania and get a tr-1 fac guy to do a sea trial with you-for some serious tweaking - tr-1's are like an onion - there are some serious features built in that are buried deep in the owner's manual...
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Glen E, give me a hint on these features becuase I dont think they will come to South Texas to help with mine. I have used the cloverleaf and Gps track but other than that this is it.
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flieman - 3/23/2007 11:36 AM

Glen E, give me a hint on these features becuase I dont think they will come to South Texas to help with mine. I have used the cloverleaf and Gps track but other than that this is it.
setting a circle for a wide u turn
trolling backwards with your spread out the front of a CC
setting the step parameters
setting the zig...and the zag.... parameters (can be different)
setting the gain sensitivity for the individual boat and the auto gain speed points
setting shadow drive sensitivity
using the search function for finding wrecks that may have moved



and yes, they will find you if you call - or at least have one of their better dealers do this with you....send a PM to "JIM Z" - he's the master at tweaking tr-1's here...
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Thanks very much Glen, I will private mail him.
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Thanks for the tip Glenn, do you know what your parameters are set for?
I know how to program these features but looking for typical parameters for trolling.
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reelmagic - 3/23/2007 1:29 PM Thanks for the tip Glenn, do you know what your parameters are set for? I know how to program these features but looking for typical parameters for trolling.
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setting a circle for a wide u turn - i set to have a complete circle in 20 min - so half circle is 10 min when I get back around - i just grab the wheeel and the circle cancels
trolling backwards with your spread out the front of a CC - troll in reverse setting a point directly behind you after getting straight withthe current
setting the step parameters -mine at set for 15 degree steps
setting the zig...and the zag.... parameters (can be different) - set to zig 10 min and zag 10 min changes based on current and course
setting the gain sensitivity for the individual boat and the auto gain speed points - no explanation needed
setting shadow drive sensitivity - mine set to give me control with a 3 degreec ouse change - a "good grab"
using the search function for finding wrecks that may have moved - basic move using search per the keypad...


the other one I have not done that is popular is setting the TR-1 so you can sit perfectly dead still in a inlet and catch bait - no matter what the current is doing - Jim Z has done that...


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flieman - 3/23/2007 10:52 AM Thanks very much Glen, I will private mail him.
Just replied to your PM.

Something else to try is to turn off all the NMEA sentences that you don't use. It will make your entire NMEA system a little faster with updating information between the units. There's what 30+different strings that are sent continuously by your chartplotter? Of those you may only need 8 or 10? Determine which you need and turn the rest off in your sender unit and it will cutdown the timeit takes to update the information on the reader units. (Tip courtesy of Doug at TR-1)
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Sent to flieman in PM:

Definitely fine tune it. Consider the auto tune a specific tuning for your boat characteristics but still somewhat generic for your personal needs and style of boating.

There are probably only a few codes that you'll need toplay with to get it where you want it and it's real easy to do. Adjusting the preset levels of Sea State (Code #1), Low RPM (Code #357),High RPM (Code #359) and Shadowdrive (Code #368)are good places to start.

Adjust #1 down to 1. This is one that I frequently play with. Sometimes you want it to be sensitive others not so I go up and down the scale with adjusting this code.

If the systems is too sensitive at slow speeds adjust #357 up to 100 or 200 above your idle RPM. (ie. if your slow idle is at 600 RPMs set this codeto 700).

If the systems is too sensitive at high speeds adjust #359 downto 200 below your WOT RPM. (ie. if your WOTis6000 RPMs set this codeto 5800).

For improved safety adjust #368 from 20 down to 10and see how you like it. This won't effect the overall senility of the autopilot but it will make it easier to grab the wheel and turn to alter course or avoid flotsam. You should be able to turn the wheel 1/4 to 1/3 in either direction and the autopilot should gointo standby until the wheel is left motionless for a few seconds. Shadowdrive is an awesome feature.

A couple lastthings to consider, other than the Shadowdrive adjustment make one code change at a time and see how you like it but don't save it to permanant memory.If you make a change and don't like it or get everything complete screewed up (I've been there...) just turn the system off and it will reset to exactly where it was before you did any of the changes. Take good notes on what you change and what you changed it too also. Once you get all the codes where you want them save it and your done.


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told ya....2 shows a night...thank you Jim
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Guys, Thanks again! Will report my seatrial after the weekend!
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Jim,

"the other one I have not done that is popular is setting the TR-1 so you can sit perfectly dead still in a inlet and catch bait - no matter what the current is doing - Jim Z has done that... "


Care to comment on this feature? This would be great for bottom fishing as well as catching bait. One of the reasons I purchased this was the reverse feature.

Thanks again
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Glen E - 3/23/2007 4:15 PM

the other one I have not done that is popular is setting the TR-1 so you can sit perfectly dead still in a inlet and catch bait - no matter what the current is doing
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reelmagic - 3/23/2007 10:35 PM

Jim,

"the other one I have not done that is popular is setting the TR-1 so you can sit perfectly dead still in a inlet and catch bait - no matter what the current is doing - Jim Z has done that... "


Care to comment on this feature? This would be great for bottom fishing as well as catching bait. One of the reasons I purchased this was the reverse feature.

Thanks again
Glen makes it sounds so easy butyou still need to pay EXTREMELY close attention to your surroundings. Basically you set the speed of the boat to match the current,point the bow into the current and hit heading hold. Depending on the conditions and how consistent the current speed and direction is (yes it does have limitations...) the AP will hold youin one spot. If you have two engines and the current is slower than what you can do with both engines in gear, put one in neutral. The TR-1 doesn't care if you have one, two or three engines running and in gear.

I've used this more with holding over a wreck or piece of bottom structure where the current and wind is a little more consistentAND there's less traffic to deal with. I'm looking forward to trying this while deep dropping. You could call it a "virtual anchor" (dibs on that tag line Trademark...).
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Jimz

Thats exactly what I intend to do with this AP, use it as a virtual anchor!

I did a seatrial today, everything worked flawless except for the GPS function. The GPS tracking worked great at a low speed (under plane) however on plane it would quickly steer away from the waypoint about 15-20 deg to the starboard. This was consistent everytime I set a new waypoint. The compass unit is set to read NEMA1 input for GPS and is connected to a Garmin 232 dedicated Nema out. No other devices are connect to this output. I also tried to reset "North" several times with same results each time. Setting north in the manual is a bit confusing since the manual states you need about a 1/2 mile for this setup. Whats confusingis do you run a 1/2 mile while holding the "select load" or run a half mile before pressing the HOLD. Step 5 states "You will need at least 1/2 mile of hazard free water in front of you", is this before or after pressing the hold then pressing the DM button, I tried both ways with same results. I believe "north" to be set correctly since it tracks at slow speeds. May have to try using code 167 (synthetic XTE) or code 18 (reversed XTE).

All of the other steering functions were a breeze to setup and use. Can't wait for fishing season to try some of these patterns!!!

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