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Old 01-25-2007, 03:12 PM
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I was curious how many of you guys use radar to find bird surface activity?? I heard that Furuno came out with a unit designed to do this very thing. Anyone with some hands on experience??

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I'll probably get slack for this but I'm partial to Raymarine because it's user friendly.
I have little experince with Furuno setups but:
a) it's not user friendly IMO
b) we've outfished other boats for YFT. Same day, using same baits, fishing same general area. On more than one occasion the furuno boats are asking to fish our pack because they can't find their own.
There were tuna and bird packs all over the screen.... ;?
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Myjack,
I've got the RM pathfinder on my boat. I believe its a 4 watt unit with 24 mile range. Is there any way to torque the setting to spot birds. and I recently was in some very dense fog for the first time and normally I would see the coastline within 11 miles. I couldn't see it (on the screen) within 2 miles. Once in the fog, it acted way different that out of the fog. Are there settings I should change in the fog? Does radar have a weaker signal or shorter range as the fog gets thicker? A penny for your thoughts.
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myjack - 1/25/2007 5:23 PM

On more than one occasion the furuno boats are asking to fish our pack because they can't find their own.
There were tuna and bird packs all over the screen.... ;?
Thats the funniest thing Ive heard in a long time. When it all comes down to it, look at all the commercial boats and big sporties. None are running Rays.

In a nutshell, all radars practically the same. It really comes down to whether or not you know how to use it effectivly
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Myjack,
I've got the RM pathfinder on my boat. I believe its a 4 watt unit with 24 mile range. Is there any way to torque the setting to spot birds. and I recently was in some very dense fog for the first time and normally I would see the coastline within 11 miles. I couldn't see it (on the screen) within 2 miles. Once in the fog, it acted way different that out of the fog. Are there settings I should change in the fog? Does radar have a weaker signal or shorter range as the fog gets thicker? A penny for your thoughts.
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what would you guys recc. for a 21 ft cc with a t-top. i know they are expensive but whats a good setup for this size boat? fishing out of NC if that helps
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To really efefctively be able to spot birds at any decent distance - you need an open array. 21 ft CC t-top may be pushing it to be able to support the weight of the array - they run around 80-90 lbs minimum. That is a lot of weight for a 21 CC t-top, and even if the top is beefed up, that is lot of weight (including the now beefed up t-top) to be that high on a 21 footer - may effect ride and stability. It may also look very large compared to the rest of the boat.
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what would you guys recc. for a 21 ft cc with a t-top. i know they are expensive but whats a good setup for this size boat? fishing out of NC if that helps
Furuno 1624 or 1715.
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We have a 12kw furuno and it works great!! I recommend the unit over the 6kw because it is just another 10 percent or so more, and I think it works a little better than our older 6kw unit. Overall, we have been very pleased with the unit and furuno in general.
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If weight on the T-top is an issue you can always use a mast. Forward of the CC is a common location but I've seen them behind the leaning post. For the weight of an open array you'll need a robust mast with a large monting plate and some lateral support. Mast, of course, will allow radar mounting without modification of the top.

As mentioned, a heavy antenna aloft may raise your C/G more than you want.
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Squid is right-Furuno is the best adn I can buy Ray at short money (they're one of my customers). I've had one RayMarine and never again. My JRC 1800CP is a great little unit (discontinued unfortunately) on the B20. On the B25, I'll be going with either the 4' open array radar head that interfacces with my Northstar 958 or a Furuno stand alone of the same size. If you want birds, open array or bust...

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myjack - 1/25/2007 5:23 PM

I'll probably get slack for this but I'm partial to Raymarine because it's user friendly.
I have little experince with Furuno setups but:
a) it's not user friendly IMO
b) we've outfished other boats for YFT. Same day, using same baits, fishing same general area. On more than one occasion the furuno boats are asking to fish our pack because they can't find their own.
There were tuna and bird packs all over the screen.... ;?
Interesting how you don't answer foulhook's question. He didn't ask who's dog was better.
And to state that you have little experience with a product but the one you own is easier is just plain "DOH"!

Now to answer foulhook's question. To effectively target birds most experts will tell you to get an open array with a minimum of 6kw power. Ideally you might go up to 10kw or 12kw. Your choices at this power level is Furuno, Simrad, or JRC for 6kw. Ray marine makes a 10kw, but you'll need 24vdc. Furuno and Simrad make 12kw. Furuno will run their's at 12vdc.
But as already mentioned you are looking at 50 pounds and up for these units on your top.

Whatever you get, please don't put a little Calvin cartoon on the back of your boat urinating on the competition.
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Well... i knew i'd get in trouble with my opinion. And I'm sure Foulhook will take my post with a grain of salt. Actually, NONE of you correctly answered his questions. He asked;

"I was curious how many of you guys use radar to find bird surface activity?? I heard that Furuno came out with a unit designed to do this very thing."

I stand corrected... I'm just one guy who uses a radar to locate birds to locate YFT (with an opinion). Then he asked if Furuno made a unit designed to do this (locate bird surface activity).I've never heard of a unit that can target birds specificaly. They may claim too but i'll bet it's a marketing ploy. Raymarine does not and to my knowledge Furuno does not either.I originaly edited my post and I shouldn't have cause that's pretty much what i was going to tellFoulhook.Yes i have little experience with Furuno because my first impression about the system to me was it was not as user friendly as the Ray.Yet again just my opinion... never said I was the smartest guy here and for those of you who think I'm pushing the Ray over Furuno, I'm not.I'm sure they are excellent units... just a matter of preference. If we all liked the same football team it wouldn't be very fun, would it? My advice to him would be to get familiar with the system on someones boat and then learn another from someone else. Yes, it's funny we outfished the guyswith the Furuno system.... a few of them. I tell no lies.
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myjack - 1/25/2007 5:23 PM

I'll probably get slack for this but I'm partial to Raymarine because it's user friendly.
I have little experince with Furuno setups but:
a) it's not user friendly IMO
b) we've outfished other boats for YFT. Same day, using same baits, fishing same general area. On more than one occasion the furuno boats are asking to fish our pack because they can't find their own.
There were tuna and bird packs all over the screen.... ;?
You really saw tuna on your radar. I'm impressed. If the bird packs were all over the screen couldn't you see them without the radar?

You might have found the Furuno more user friendly if you had bothered to spend a little more time on it perhaps? What in particular did you find to be unfriendly?

Furuno is a true color radar (I'm talking the color Navnet displays here, not the monochrome displays). That gives you a lot better target detail than the bicolor Raymarine display.

I have used a 4KW Furuno radar to find birds successfully. That was on fairly calm days and at relatively short range. I would agree with the majority here that if you want to buy a radar with the intention of targeting birds, get a 6KW or better.

I don't think that Furuno specifically market a radar as a "bird radar" but they do have a good article on their website about finding birds with radar.

Radar article

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The only true "Bird Radar" is a Furuno Rasterscan Radar. They were designed for ships, but are also used by recreational and commercial fishing boats. These radars are in the 25KW-50KW range.
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$Ouch$. Just priced some of them babies....and its looking like I will be investing in good binocs instead....
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A small radar might not find birds, but even the cheap ones can find the fleet...........lol
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I had a Furuno 1733C with a 4kw dome on my last boat and when tuned correctly you could see groups of birds within 1/2-3/4 miles pretty good but you can just about see that far. Still debating what power to go with on this boat but it will be a furuno open array instead on the dome to get the narrower beam width. Also will be going with the 10"screen instead of the 7.5"screen. I Fished on a boat with the Furuno 12kw Navnet and it was awsome for finding birds out to bout 3-4 miles. You also need to remember that a small CC is lower to the water so you can only see a limited distance because of the heigth of your radar above the water.

A small radar might not find birds, but even the cheap ones can find the fleet...........lol
This is the truth!!!!!!!.................Mark
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Save your money go buy some IS Canon glasses you will see farther than any brand or power radar on the low tee top height its all all about how high your antenna is!
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To your question: Yes even with a dome on a small cc you can see birds at close range. I often use this feature in the fog. On my navnet: Put it on manual , crank up the gain and make sure the A/C rain and sea are off. There is a description on the Furuno website of how to do it. It actually works well b/c the times we have fog- we have little wind so even a wide bandwidth dome will descriminate the target. However, it works for me b/c I know the general area where the fish will be holding.

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