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Old 12-31-2006, 05:25 PM
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Hi Guys,

Has anyone actually been able to get the Suzuki Engine Interface to connect to the SMIS system? I called Lowrance and they said that it would only be available from Suzuki. I called several local dealers and they were not well informed about the product or its' availability. I did order it online from Brownspoint as that was the only place I even saw it listed. As of now, when I check my order status it says it hasn't been shipped. I will call them when they reopen from the holiday's to check the status. I just wondered if anyone actually had one yet. From what I understand from Lowrance, the LMS gauge series has a different software version than the gauges marketed from Suzuki. The main difference is that the LMF series will not show the alerts for over rev, change oil, overheat, etc.

Any input from THT-ERS appreciated.

Happy New Year-

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Old 01-01-2007, 07:36 AM
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The consumer interface harness and Suzuki gauges have not been released as yet. There is no availability date as of today. I have run boats with the system and it is very slick. LMF gauges and Lowrance displays all tied into the Suzuki interface. It will work with all EFI Suzuki engines (40HP + up) from at least '05 (maybe earlier).
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Old 02-05-2007, 12:46 PM
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Do you know if the harness will work with 02' DF-140 EFI's? What info do you get from the engine? Are the harnesses availible yet?
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Old 02-05-2007, 09:30 PM
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Machete31 - 2/5/2007 12:46 PM lakensea, Do you know if the harness will work with 02' DF-140 EFI's? What info do you get from the engine? Are the harnesses availible yet?
Sorry, it will only work on '05 and later DF40 -DF300 engines and possibly '04 V6's. I hooked the system up to an '04 DF115 last week just to confirm. Pre '05 engines are not NMEA 2000.

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Old 02-06-2007, 01:56 PM
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Thanks for the info!!
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Old 02-21-2007, 04:27 AM
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This interface and gauges are aviable.
The news is that with the new EP20 interface for the engine series from df40 to df140 now is possible to plug nmea2000 gauges.
The interface EP20 (electronic probe) plug in the pc connection (the same of diagnosis) read the data from the outboard and convert the information in nmea2000 format.

The data for the gauges will be : fuel injected, engine temperature, oil temperature, oil pressure, water pressure, various alarms, athmosferic pressure, trim...


I have a suzuki df115 year 2002 and i asked for this set up.

The sales man told me:
"It will work for you so you can use the new gauges, however we have been talking to the engineers here at the Miami Boat Show and they say there may be some limited functions on models built before 2004.
This may cause some engine warning systems not to function properly, so you may want to keep your monitor gauge system in place."

What this mean?
Someone of you know something about?


Ps. Sorry for my English
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Old 02-21-2007, 06:07 AM
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You spoke to the wrong person at Miami. The pre-'05 engines are NOT NMEA 2000 compliant. You will not get any engine information. When the interface cables and gauges came in, I tested it on an '04 engine to confirm.

Also, you DO NOT get engine temperature, oil pressure, oil temperature or atmospheric pressure. You also will only get water pressure when Lowrance releases a fluid pressure to NMEA 2000 interface.
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Old 02-21-2007, 06:26 AM
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Gary:

I assume the items you mentioned that you DO NOT get is in reference to older engines.

I think I could use, with a 2007 Suzuki DF150 engine, the Suzuki/LMF 400 gauge to get all engine info including fuel flow and MPG if there is a NMEA 2000 GPS on the bus. Is that correct?

Is it reasonable to use the Suzuki/LMF 400 as the ONLY engine gauge on a 2007 Suzuki DF150?

Thanks very much!
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Old 02-21-2007, 07:16 AM
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Have you tested the ep-20 with the original suzuki gauge or with a lowrance gauge?
I have hear that the ep-20 work with original gauges.
With pre 2005 engine what can you see with the interface on the gauges? Nothing?
Can you see the fuel injectet on the gauge?
With my df115 year 2002 is better that i buy nothing?
Thank you very much
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Old 02-22-2007, 06:19 AM
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Ed in Maine - 2/21/2007 6:26 AM Gary: I assume the items you mentioned that you DO NOT get is in reference to older engines. I think I could use, with a 2007 Suzuki DF150 engine, the Suzuki/LMF 400 gauge to get all engine info including fuel flow and MPG if there is a NMEA 2000 GPS on the bus. Is that correct? Is it reasonable to use the Suzuki/LMF 400 as the ONLY engine gauge on a 2007 Suzuki DF150? Thanks very much!
Ed,

Your assumption is incorrect - engine temp, oil pressure and atmospheric pressure readings are not included inSuzuki's NMEA 2000 data stream, and there are good reasons why. Of course the temp & oil warnings are displayed. You could use a single 4' SMIS gauge, but I would not reccomend it. The actual display face is smaller than a standard 3 3/8 gauge. The dual analog screen is good, but the quad analog is only good for things like volts, fuel level, etc. Of course, if you are also using a 10" Lowrance display, then you can share most information with that unit also. If you're going to be up in Maine the weekend of March 16,17 & 18, I will have a new 225DC Key West on display at the Bangor Boat Show with a complete SMIS system tied into a small Lowrance GPS/Fishfinder.

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Old 02-22-2007, 06:24 AM
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spinx - 2/21/2007 7:16 AM Have you tested the ep-20 with the original suzuki gauge or with a lowrance gauge? I have hear that the ep-20 work with original gauges. With pre 2005 engine what can you see with the interface on the gauges? Nothing? Can you see the fuel injectet on the gauge? With my df115 year 2002 is better that i buy nothing? Thank you very much
There is no information available with a pre-2005 engine as the ECM's were not programmed to transmit any NMEA 2000 data, so purchasing this system will do you no good.
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Gary:

I will be at the show and will stop in to see you.

Thanks for the info.
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Ed in Maine - 2/22/2007 7:04 AM Gary: I will be at the show and will stop in to see you. Thanks for the info.
Ed,

You realize I said the "Bangor" show - not the Portland show. They are both on the same weekend and cannot be in two places at the same time.

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Old 02-23-2007, 07:12 AM
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Maybe i'm wrong but my df115 year 2002 i can plug the diagnosis interface in the engine plug and i can see all the data like temperature, fuel injectet, pressures ecc....So the data there are.
I've understand that: the ep-20 (electronic probe) plugs in the same engine diagnosis plug, read the data and converts them in the nmea2000 format.
I dont think the suzuki engenieer have modified the ECM of the engine for outputting nmea 2000 data but they use the electronic probe for convert the data from suzuki proprietary format to the nmea 2000 format.
What do you think about?
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Thanks, Gary...I did think you would be in Portland. I'll try to get up to Bangor if I can.
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Old 02-23-2007, 09:47 AM
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spinx - 2/23/2007 7:12 AM Maybe i'm wrong but my df115 year 2002 i can plug the diagnosis interface in the engine plug and i can see all the data like temperature, fuel injectet, pressures ecc....So the data there are. I've understand that: the ep-20 (electronic probe) plugs in the same engine diagnosis plug, read the data and converts them in the nmea2000 format. I dont think the suzuki engenieer have modified the ECM of the engine for outputting nmea 2000 data but they use the electronic probe for convert the data from suzuki proprietary format to the nmea 2000 format. What do you think about?
The pre-05ECM isentirely different. As I stated above, I did try it on a '04 DF115 and got nothing.
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Old 02-23-2007, 10:32 AM
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Thank you.
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Old 03-03-2007, 01:03 AM
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Hello,

I was following this thread with intrest as I have a Suzuki DF150 2006 and have ordered a Garmin 4208 Chartplotter which will have a NEMA 2000 port. Is it possible to connect the DF150 to this port and have the engine information displayed on the screen? If so what else would be needed to accomplish this? Thank you for any help you may be able to offer.
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Old 03-05-2007, 08:29 PM
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Do you need to buy extra stuff to display on lowrance units to get engine info? I have 07 suzuki 150 and am looking at a lowrance chartplotter/fishfinder combo. I know they both have NMEA 2000 interfaces, but it looked like you had to install an additional fuel sensor inline in the fuel line.
I asked the yahoo at boaters world, but based on his answers to my other questions, i think he had the shovel out and was breaking a sweat...
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