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Old 12-05-2003, 04:20 AM
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Well it was a sad day yesterday, I pulled the boat. And now the real work begins.

I have been looking a different electronics over the past 6 months. There are so many to chose from you can go nuts.

My exisiting radar is a Raytheon Unit (24 mile)
Its 13 years old, works, and will be the last electronic to be added (unless I get a great deal)

I have a Furuno Gps (I will keep this for back up, A color depth sounder (only reads to 500) but very clear and large screen (will be back up)Apelco VHF will be back up. Old Loran I am removing. Data Marine that doesn't work (need something to fill that hole??

With all this being said, I want to put together a real nice package. Wide White screen Color GPS ??, Depths sounder that reads past 500',large color screen, New VHF,

I am just wondering IF you guys think it is better to get the GPS, Radar, Depth sounder all seperate??

Or combine 2 of the units and 1 seperate, (like a Chartplotter/ Gps unit) Or Radar and GPS Unit)
I like these units:
*Furuno 1833C 36NM 4KW radar/Plotter ($4,700)
*Furuno FCV 582L Color depth sounder 7" (1,400)
*Furuno GP 1900C 10.4 color GPS/ C-Map (2,500)

I am not stuck on Furuno but I have always had furuno on other boats and they have never failed me.

My Budget depends on if I get a combined unit, they seem to run a little cheaper when they are together than seperate. Like I said before the radar I have is old, but works. But I hate like hell to do all this work and be left with one old piece. So thats why I should maybe get a combined unit.

I plan on spending 5,000 +/-, but adding the radar I will be in the 8,000 range. I may be dreaming with these numbers, but I add up some things I like and they kind of make sence.

How would you guys outfit this boat???

Room is not a problem, will have a ELE.- box and use my old areas (built ins)for some of the elctronics.

Thanks for your help.

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Old 12-05-2003, 04:34 AM
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Oh yeah I forgot,

What do you guys think of the North star Gps Radar unit??

Thanks,,I am not worried about the VHF I will probably budget about 400- 500 for that unit,

I also already have auto pilot that works fine and is connected to My existing Furuno GPS so I am assuming it will tie in with my new gps.

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Old 12-05-2003, 06:16 AM
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If it were me I and wanted to do a combo unit again. I would combo the GPS/Rader not the GPS/FF.

And if you go with the big furuno screen you could have all three on one (with the black box sounder) and have the 582 as a back up or as your primary and have the big screen as the back up. But the trouble there will be keeping it under 8K

I'm sure you have run the boat long enough to know that seperates is probably the way to go. But since you already have some redundancy built in you would proably be ok with a combo unit or two.
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I would be inclined to go with the combo units, in that, you are going to have plenty of backup. I prefer Icom for the VHF, Garmin for Navigation/Fishfinder, Furuno or Ratheon for Radar Sooner or later that 'old' radar is going to give up the ship. Oh, and don't for get a good ACR remote searchlight, too. I'd get the whole new package of your choice. Give the boys at www.consumersmarine.com a call, great to work with.

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Old 12-05-2003, 01:53 PM
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How about this, everything you need except the Radom:
http://www.raymarine.com/raymarine/P...roduct_id=1289

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Old 12-05-2003, 02:30 PM
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Don't forget the transducer Birdman.

ld Stay with the Furuno. If for anything familiarity and less of a learning curve.
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Old 12-05-2003, 03:32 PM
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quote:Originally posted by little debbie:

I am just wondering IF you guys think it is better to get the GPS, Radar, Depth sounder all seperate??

Or combine 2 of the units and 1 seperate, (like a Chartplotter/ Gps unit) Or Radar and GPS Unit)
I like these units:
*Furuno 1833C 36NM 4KW radar/Plotter ($4,700)
*Furuno FCV 582L Color depth sounder 7" (1,400)
*Furuno GP 1900C 10.4 color GPS/ C-Map (2,500)

I am not stuck on Furuno but I have always had furuno on other boats and they have never failed me.



I would get the 1833C Radar/plotter and the 1700C plotter. Add the BBFF1 fishfinder and a transducer (get the 1KW). You can use the 7" display as the fishfinder and it can double as radar/plotter when you don't need the fishfinder. That will save you quite a bit over the example above - 4700 for the 1833C, 500 for the BBFF1, 1800 for the 1700C. I have this same setup on my boat. If you shop hard you will be able to get better prices too - I paid <4500 for the 1833C with Consumers Marine boat show pricing.

If you have a few more dollars to spare I would get the 1953C 6KW open array. It will look better on a boat like yours and will be a better performing radar. Then add a Simrad autopilot (AP-11 or better) and you will be set!

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I think the 1953c is a 12kw unit. I've been looking at the 1943c (6kw) mainly to allow for bird marking, but I'm trying to talk myself into the 1953c for about $1300 more.
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quote:Originally posted by catmandu:
I think the 1953c is a 12kw unit. I've been looking at the 1943c (6kw) mainly to allow for bird marking, but I'm trying to talk myself into the 1953c for about $1300 more.

You're right - I meant the 1943C. If you can stretch to the 1953C all the better.

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Like the others ... A Furuno fan .... But the new Northstar 6000i series has stirred my interest .... but it looks like it is on the top of the pile as far as expense goes…depending on which screen size you go for
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edk, you posted
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would get the 1833C Radar/plotter and the 1700C plotter. Add the BBFF1 fishfinder and a transducer (get the 1KW). You can use the 7" display as the fishfinder and it can double as radar/plotter when you don't need the fishfinder. That will save you quite a bit over the example above - 4700 for the 1833C, 500 for the BBFF1, 1800 for the 1700C. I have this same setup on my boat. If you shop hard you will be able to get better prices too - I paid <4500 for the 1833C with Consumers Marine boat show pricing
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Is it redundant to get the 1700C Plotter when you already are purchasing the 1833C radar/plotter??

Plus in my case I also still have the Furuno GPS I will be using as back up?? What do you think or did I misunderstand your post.

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Old 12-06-2003, 08:42 AM
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I have a Furuno 1833C with the BBFF1 network sounder. It works extremely well. Spend a few dollars more and be sure to get the "high performance" version of the transducer so you can use the full 1kW and you will have an even better sounder than a 582L, which is basically the same innards as the BBFF1.

The screen is big enough that you can use the radar and sounder or radar and plotter at the same time with no problems. I would not get the 7" display for the sounder as someone suggested, however. The 10'4" on full screen is an awe-inspiring sounder display.

If I had your size boat (and the extra cash), I would definitely go for the 6kW open array version. I have used one many times on a friend's boat and the performance is significantly better than the 4kW dome.

Finally, I would stronly recommend against the GP1700C as part of the system unless you want full two station capability (do you have a tower?). For about the same money, you can get a Garmin 2006C or 2010C, which are much better, faster plotters and then you will have redundancy on a key navigation item. That's what I did.
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quote:Originally posted by little debbie:
edk, you posted
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would get the 1833C Radar/plotter and the 1700C plotter. Add the BBFF1 fishfinder and a transducer (get the 1KW). You can use the 7" display as the fishfinder and it can double as radar/plotter when you don't need the fishfinder. That will save you quite a bit over the example above - 4700 for the 1833C, 500 for the BBFF1, 1800 for the 1700C. I have this same setup on my boat. If you shop hard you will be able to get better prices too - I paid <4500 for the 1833C with Consumers Marine boat show pricing
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Is it redundant to get the 1700C Plotter when you already are purchasing the 1833C radar/plotter??

Plus in my case I also still have the Furuno GPS I will be using as back up?? What do you think or did I misunderstand your post.

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No - it's not redundant, but it does provide you with some redundancy

You are not really buying another plotter (although you will get the GPS antenna when you buy the 1700C - it will not be included with the 1833C). Think of it as another display. You can use it as a fishfinder display, a radar display, a plotter display or any combination of those three. (similarly you can display any of those functions on the 1833C display. Here are a couple of examples on my boat:

Radar on 10" display, nav data on 7"



Plotter on 10" display, fishfinder on 7"



I use the 7" display primarily as the fishfinder. When I don't need the fishfinder I will display nav data or plotter on there. You can use the split screen on the 10" display the same way but I like to take advantage of that big screen for radar and/or plotter. You also have a redundant display - if one quits you can use the other for all three functions. You can also use the 10" screen for the fishfinder display, and it is very useful if you are using a split display (50 and 200 kHz or bottom zoom etc). Instead of a 10" and a 7" display, if you have the space and the $$$ you could use two 10" displays (i.e get the GP1900C instead of the GP1700C).

As Saltdog says Garmin do make great plotters, but you do lose some versatility if you go that route (no redundant display, no radar overlay). You will need a heading sensor if you want the radar overlay function - if you do go with an autopilot that can provide the heading data.

Definitely get the 1KW transducer, especially important if you fish in deep water.


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Nice lookin setup edk. What size is your rig?

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quote:Originally posted by catmandu:
Nice lookin setup edk. What size is your rig?

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It's a 25' Contender. It was a little tight getting the electronics in the console but I am very happy with the way it works. I have a Simrad Ap-11 interfaced with the Furuno and it works great.

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I'm curious: what year is your 36?
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Calcutta,

My Hatteras is a 1973.

The previoue/previous owner re did alot of the interior and engines btween 89 and 91.

THe boat is a great boat, I bought her last year and have spent quite a few dollars in engine work, and now I am onto cosmetic and electrical this winter.

Why do you ask??

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EDK,

I met with my local Furuno dealer today and I discussed your set up with him, He was really helpful and thought that your set up would be a perfect fit for my boat.

We did go over increasing the size of the radar to an open array and also the 1700c vs. 1900c

It seems that I could get two 1700c units for the price of one 1900c unit. My take on this is that by purchasing the 1700c I could actually almost buy another one for the cost of just one 1900c,
That wouold give me the option of putting the additional 1700c down in my cockpit for easy reading while fishing, trolling, chunking etc..

He is working some hard numbers tommorrow for me and he said he will try and give me the accelerated boat show pricing (?) We will see.

The preliminary numbers are:
$ 4,500 1833 c
$ 1,550

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Hit the wrong key, sorry

anyway
$4,500 1833c
$1,550 1700c
$ 510 BBFF1
$ 265 Bronze thru hull
$ 150 1KW
$ 59 ehternet hub

Do these numbers sound in the ballpark to what you have paid? He said he may do better with the show pricing after he talks to his manager.

Also do you have Auto Pilot?? He is checking to see if my existing will be compatible.

If so, What kind do you have?

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Old 12-08-2003, 08:28 PM
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I think you are on the right track. The Navnet units are ideal if you want to have displays on upper or lower stations as you will have all the features available to you that you have on your main panel on the bridge.

Have Furuno come out with a marinized hub yet? I felt that it would be the weak link in my installation as I used an off-the-shelf hub from CompUSA. However I have had no problems in the 12 months that it has been installed.

The prices you quoted seem about right. I imagine that you could get them down some more, especially if you are buying the whole package from them, but they are pretty close to what I remember paying. I bought mine from Consumer Marine Electronics.

I do have an autopilot - Simrad AP-11. The nice thing about that model is that (with a couple of upgrades) it provides the heading information that enables chart overlay on with the radar. You need the J300X junction box rather than the J3000X if you choose that option. The AP20 or AP35 autopilots will work also. If you go that route you will also want to upgrade to the rate compass - it's ~$200 extra but performs much better than the standard fluxgate compass.

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