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Old 07-06-2019, 11:21 AM
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Default Furuno, Raymarine, or Simrad.

Looking for Pro's n Con's on all units as I'm Just about Ready to pull the trigger on the following electronics package. Did see them all side by side including Garmin, but not happy with there quality as of right now, and I found it the hardest to work on, but that's just me. I like reading the book, and tweaking.
Going all out on what I'm buying; AutoPilot, AIS, 6' Open Array 12kw-25kw, etc... Here is what I'm looking as my top 3 Choices; Raymarine, Furuno, or Simrad.
Going with R109LH on all 3 Brands. They all use the same transducers and from what I'm hearing, need a box first. No big deal.
I bottom fish, wreck fish, striper fish for inshore. Offshore we swordfish, tuna, shark, and tile fish. Pretty much whatever is in season from March to end of November - Beginning of December.
1st. Choice;
Dual Raymarine Axiom Pro 16 RVX1000 with CP570 Black Box, and RV212.

2nd Choice;
Dual Furuno TZTouch 2 with DFF3, DFF1-UHD, and DFF3D.
B265LH, and 165T-B54. Only gripe, older MFD screens.

3rd. Choice;
Dual Simrad NSO 16'S with s5100 Black box, and dual structure scan transducers. Found Simrads to be the hardest to work with compared to Raymarine and Furuno.
Furuno was actually the easiest to work with, just that the screens are older and grainier compared to all the rest.
Now that the Axioms has been out for a while, nice to hear some input. I.know there has been a post, but I don't want 2 hijack the thread.
THANKS.
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Raymarine, I have owned and tested the Axiom pro 9,12 and 16 currently have the Axiom XL 22 with A CP370,CP470 and a RVX1000,(have owned a CP570)Evolution pilot,Quantum radar,RMK remote. I cant say enough about how they operate.I am super picky and I want it right the first time.Raymarine has delivered. Just ask the people using them.I have over 2000 hours offshore with the equipment,no complaints from me.I can operate 3 different Sounders with 3 different transducers at the same time on the same screen.Crazy good..I have owned TZT2,there nice but plenty of things I like about the Axioms better.I will not bash other manufacturers.Plenty of people will say other things.Just my take.You will not need a RVX1000 if you choose a Axiom pro.The Axiom pro will drive your RV220 transducers...sidescan,downscan,3d and traditional chirp.Get the CP570 for your 109 transducer.Capt.Mike P.S.Raymarine just announced there new AIS 4000 transceiver.

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Thanks capt. Nice 2 know 2k hours plus on Raymarine. So far pretty impressive. And yes, don't like 2 bash.
Can you adjust the transducer frequency on the cp570 and R109LH ?
Also can you adjust frequency's on the RV212 in traditional?
How hard Is it 2 work bird mode on the radar. Hearing Simrad and furuno pretty easy.
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Yes you can adjust the frequency with the CP570 and the R109.You can not adjust the traditional 200 KH conical with the RV212.You most likely would use your RV212 for down and sidescan, 3D.You will like your CP 570 and the R109 much better in traditional chirp.Cant comment on bird mode.I have the Quantum for situational awareness not bird.I have herd great things from the Magnum radar with beem sharpening.Capt.mike
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Raymarine 16” Axiom XL and Magnum 12KW on brand new YF36. I prob should have added the CP570 and a 3kw transducer, but I’m doing just fine with the RVX1000 and 275LHW 1kw. Gulf side w no deep dropping. I also have the new AIS700 and updated EV400 autopilot.

The new units are super fast and updated easily over WiFi with no issues, bugs, crashes, etc. Running quad screen sounders on 4 different channels is pretty sick and so is the Magnum radar.


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DO NOT GO WITH SIMRAD !!! I have evo 12" (2019) with evo 9" (2018) 4 g radar auto pilot installed by martec out of Avalon nj …..NOTHING BUT PROBLEMS!!! they have been to the boat 6 times since the febuary install and can not get all the machines to communicate replaced the network box 3 days ago and its still not working correctly....im about to throw the units out!!!! SIMRAD HAS NOT BEEN ANY HELP IN GETTING ITS SYSTEM FIXED
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Misfits.
Can't imagine your pain. Bought a boat for the short N.E. summers, spent alot of money, and can't go fishing. Dam.
Hopefully others can chime in.

Daybreak/Offshore Apparral,
Ya hearing good things about Raymarine since the Flir buy out. Also seeing private charters choosing Raymarine. Actually had it on my past boats with the dsm300 made in Mexico with zero issues.
I did find axiom and tztouch 2 easy to work with as well. Hoping the 12kw 6' open array is also a good choice. I don't like to mix and match brands. Its either All or none.
So is the R109LH 2kw a good choice or should I look differently?
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DO NOT GO WITH SIMRAD !!! I have evo 12" (2019) with evo 9" (2018) 4 g radar auto pilot installed by martec out of Avalon nj …..NOTHING BUT PROBLEMS!!! they have been to the boat 6 times since the febuary install and can not get all the machines to communicate replaced the network box 3 days ago and its still not working correctly....im about to throw the units out!!!! SIMRAD HAS NOT BEEN ANY HELP IN GETTING ITS SYSTEM FIXED
With such amount of problems I suspect it's more related to the installer than the products.
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With such amount of problems I suspect it's more related to the installer than the products.
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Maybe it is. However, the next question is, who provided the material? ? Did misfit provide it, or installer? is it an installation issue, or manufacturers defect.
If the company provided the material, then its in them.
One of the two need to step it up. Installer or Simrad.
OR!! The installer needs to contact Simrad, see what the issue is, and bill the owner any labor if misfit supplied the material. Simrad should provide the defective materiail in the case If misfit provided the material.
Kind of like getting a brake job done, and the car owner provides the brakes calipers and rotors, then a month later it stopped working. Not sticking up 4 the manufacturer nor the Installer, but it is what it is.
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I installed a complete Raymarine electronics suite last year. 2 @ Axiom 9RV, 1 @ Quantum Radar and EV150 autopilot. I've only had basic plotter/fishfinder in the past. The system was easy to install and everything worked from the get go. It's met all my expectations so far. I bought the system just when the Pro's were announced. I wish I would have gotten maybe one pro display for the more powerful sonar, but the Axiom has worked fine so far. I really was excited for the 3D sonar, but haven't used it as much as I thought I would. Hope to get better at it and use it more. I got the Navionics card, but want to buy a more detailed card of the GOM (C-map 4d, cmor, etc_)
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I just did a complete helm electronics makeover and I went with Furuno because they allow you to buy explorer charts which are the ones to use in the Bahamas. I was concerned about learning Furuno and it has been an easy adjustment from Garmin. I went with the TZT 2. Very satisfied so far.
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I can only comment on the Furuno gear.
First, it seems like you've got redundant black box sounders. For the DFF3D you need the B54 transducer - its the only one that works with the DFF3D. Not sure why you'd then want both the DFF3 (basically the internals of the FCV1150) and DFF1-UHD (early Furuno CHIRP sounder). Either one would be OK but both seems unnecessary. Personally I'd go with the DFF3 as it can run both frequencies on the B265 simultaneously. EDIT - I see you've already specced the B54, I assume your comment on the R109LH was meant for the other brands.

Second, in terms of functionality the TZT2 is state of the art. Again just a personal opinion, but it would be foolish to discount a particular MFD that might be perfectly good on the basis of slightly lower resolution. Resolution is probably one of the last things you are going to be worried about on the water.

Finally, from my personal experience, the Furuno will give you seamless integration, reliability, and high quality customer support for probably longer than you will use the boat.
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Originally Posted by MISSFIT View Post
DO NOT GO WITH SIMRAD !!! I have evo 12" (2019) with evo 9" (2018) 4 g radar auto pilot installed by martec out of Avalon nj …..NOTHING BUT PROBLEMS!!! they have been to the boat 6 times since the febuary install and can not get all the machines to communicate replaced the network box 3 days ago and its still not working correctly....im about to throw the units out!!!! SIMRAD HAS NOT BEEN ANY HELP IN GETTING ITS SYSTEM FIXED
That’s an installer issue. Either a lack of product knowledge or a lack of diagnostics knowledge. Are they are a Simrad Certified Installer? Have you confirmed this with Simrad?

I only say this because I install several very large Simrad systems each year and have absolutely no communication problems. If there’s ever an equipment issue, I have the replacement in a few days. Since the end of 2016, I’ve installed at least 25 large and complex Simrad systems and our customers are 100% satisfied because we take our time and know what we’re doing.
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Add my name to the list of very happy Raymarine users. I have an a128, a78, digital radar (radome), and EV150 autopilot. All work exceedingly well. Everything works perfect and exactly as designed. Admittedly, I did have 1 small problem with the a128 display not working 100% correct when initially installed (I installed it). I contacted Raymarine by phone and I had a replacement unit at my front door 3 days later.
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I don't know how important the radar is to your package but here are some shots with the Furuno NXT 6' open array radar at 9' above the water a distance.

NXT screen shots

It is a 25w (not KW) solid state radar with Doppler processing. Right now it is the best solid state radar on the market.

I think it is also hard to discount that their 3D sonar which uses lower frequencies and much higher power for deep water offshore uses and marking fish. I agree with the Andosan that I dont think you need the UHD CHIRP box if your going to get the DFF3 box and 2-3kw transducer.

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I can only comment on the Furuno gear.
First, it seems like you've got redundant black box sounders. For the DFF3D you need the B54 transducer - its the only one that works with the DFF3D. Not sure why you'd then want both the DFF3 (basically the internals of the FCV1150) and DFF1-UHD (early Furuno CHIRP sounder). Either one would be OK but both seems unnecessary. Personally I'd go with the DFF3 as it can run both frequencies on the B265 simultaneously. EDIT - I see you've already specced the B54, I assume your comment on the R109LH was meant for the other brands.

Second, in terms of functionality the TZT2 is state of the art. Again just a personal opinion, but it would be foolish to discount a particular MFD that might be perfectly good on the basis of slightly lower resolution. Resolution is probably one of the last things you are going to be worried about on the water.

Finally, from my personal experience, the Furuno will give you seamless integration, reliability, and high quality customer support for probably longer than you will use the boat.
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The R109LH is a transducer by airmar, and works with all brands. Just need a box to work with what brand your purchasing.
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If you go Furuno with the 3D sonar and want a 2-3Kw transducer, it sounds like there is a new transducer to consider PM 111. See here at 4:05:

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Martek of Avalon is a Top Knotch company. They are a premier installer of all major brands working on larger commercial application to smaller recreational jobs up in the Northeast. They 100 percent know what they are doing and are factory trained and authorized in all brands. I would suggest staying in touch with Martek through this process.

As they will continue to work on getting in resolved.
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If you put bottom fishing above anything else and need a badass sounder don’t go with simrad. It’s trash compared to an equally powered Garmin or Furuno. I’ve used them all with a 3kw chirp. Same boat mounted the same so you can throw out the installer error.
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Originally Posted by tailin strange View Post
If you put bottom fishing above anything else and need a badass sounder don’t go with simrad. It’s trash compared to an equally powered Garmin or Furuno. I’ve used them all with a 3kw chirp. Same boat mounted the same so you can throw out the installer error.
It’s always interesting how people’s opinions vary. I have fished with two different Venice captains just this year, whose livelihoods completely depend on this, that will be changing over to Simrad from Garmin after their experiences on a customer’s boat that we outfitted last year. They said the sonar and radar superiority, plus mapping choices, made it a very easy decision.

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