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Old 10-04-2006, 10:09 PM
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We finished the TR-1 autopilot install today complete with sea trial. I am extremely impressed with the system vs the Raymarine 6001 Verado system it replaced. 1st and foremost it is just a beefier system and you can see the avionics heritage. The main guy that designed this is from Boeing and Hughes...Look at the pump difference between the RM and TR:


How does this make a difference? It’s like putting a big motor on a boat vs a smaller motor that labors. the moves made by the TR-1 were quicker and more accurate than the RM at speed and slow , meaning less course variance and less movement by the engines. More decisive moves….IMO…better course following…straight down the ICW, instead of “kind of” down the middle like the RM unit…and today was 20 mph wind…did not matter

Set up was much more simple than the RM – make one circle at any speed and go straight for 1/8 mile – done……those of you that have had that “too fast” error message with RM calibration will appreciate this….

The next big change is probably the most important – ability to change course with the AP on by moving the wheel…literally you could leave your slip and put the AP on and turn the wheel to make course corrections the whole trip but when you let the wheel go, it will see steady COG and hold that, no matter what the seas are like. And the AP shuts off immediately when you make a change…..

The next big thing I learned for Verado is it is the only system that actually connects to smart craft DTS and monitors actual RPM so if you want to turn hard at 5 mph it will do it in hook fashion, but at 30 it will make it in a wide nice comfortable turn…..

And the wireless remote is instantaneous and the size of a 50 cent piece….very cool. There are many other functions but I have not experienced them yet, so stay tuned and I will report….…



a good read: http://www.tr-1autopilots.com/manuals/CProfile.pdf
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wiley - sorry - please move this to elelctronics...
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Very pleased with my TR-1 after 2˝ years (300 hours) of use.
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The remotes are not very waterproof and fail due to that. Good product otherwise.
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Tower Todd - 10/4/2006 11:57 PM

The remotes are not very waterproof and fail due to that. Good product otherwise.
agreed - waterproof and 5 functions as of ft laud show in 3 weeks....
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glen, lets make an appointment to see and possibly demo. This weekend NG - Wife's Birthday - boy am I in the doghouse. Got to let Jim Z know also
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Very nice Glen E. I'm Curious about the new remote, what are the functions? Have you seen it? Big difference in pump size is right! I'd say this is one of those cases where bigger is definitely better.

No problem makosteve. The weather is supposed to be a blowout this weekend anyway. BTW I almost named my last boat the Doghouse for that same reason. Someday I'll learn...
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Glen!!
Welcome to the dark side.
Yes, the TR-1 pump is beefier. That's a new design. My original TR-1 system had a smaller pump also.
Since the new install July of this year it's been flawless.
Best of luck with it.
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We like ours!
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update:

the pump is louder than the RM unit, mostly due to it's piston instead of vane design. All vibration eliminated witha piece of black rubber bathmat inserted under the pump. Noise now gone except at dead idle mostly due to the quiet of the verados....The tracking is astoundoing. Nothing throws it off course and it zeros in on any waypoint with incredible accuracy. One small problem exists with Garmin chartplotters as the Garmin NMEA output does not release the waypoint after arrival causing the unit to turn around. A simple wheel movment cancels the goto and maintains couse. Garmin Tech support conferring....
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I don't know much about auto-pilots, but I will be buying one next week and was told the following info. On a CC under 30 ft. your should get the unit with the smallest, weekest pump. The guy who told me installs auto-pilots on big boats (50' +). He said auto-pilots on small, light boats have a problem with "hunting". 1st of all, what is hunting? 2nd, is this really an issue?
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quiz - 10/7/2006 6:24 PM

I don't know much about auto-pilots, but I will be buying one next week and was told the following info. On a CC under 30 ft. your should get the unit with the smallest, weekest pump. The guy who told me installs auto-pilots on big boats (50' +). He said auto-pilots on small, light boats have a problem with "hunting". 1st of all, what is hunting? 2nd, is this really an issue?
Thx, quiz
this is what makes THT great....don't buy anything yet, you have a lot to read here.....

what a bunch of crap that guy is spewing....

what size is your boat? and a guy that installs ap's on big boats is whole diff ballgame..much easier to rig than less than 35 foot outboard boats....

"hunting" is an autopilot that is not installed/calibrated correctly.....
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Glen-Endo

How about a pic of the display......I have heard good things about the units as a hole and they perform well, but the displays leave a bit to be desired...

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SIM - 10/7/2006 6:55 PM



Glen-Endo

How about a pic of the display......I have heard good things about the units as a hole and they perform well, but the displays leave a bit to be desired...

Andy
Andy - good point - this comes from their avionics heritage - as it's not needed if the stuff works....at first I thought I needed a display but after working with the unit it's all in here. For waypoint progress, you track on your GPS so what do you need another display for? I found with 3 RM AP's, the display gave me "repeater" data from the NMEA data. The TR-1 is so accurate in their tracking that cross track error is non existant...less than 25 feet in any mode so far for me...

But TR does offer a guage if you want it - when I asked them why, - "because some people want an extra display"...I understand....now...
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Thx for the clarification. The guy I'm using is suggesting Simrad AP16. It sounds like that or theTR-1 is the way to go.
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SIM, I have the TR-1 and have never missed not having a display. This is my second AP and I thought it was going to be an issue....its not. The TR-1 just works!
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Glen and Buck.......I must have the display thing embedded in my mind.....I have never seeninstalled an autopilot display that did not have a rudder indicator, compass display ect. But in reality...how much is that used anyway's? Probably not much. I guess for the money spent it would be nice to have something to show for it though[img]../images/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img] jk

The last autopilot I installed was a Furuno and I have to say that between that and a Raymarine....... I would go the Furuno route. I was impressed how well it worked out of the box and the quality of the equipment. Guess I will have to add the TR to my list. If you don't mind me asking...how much in parts did you spend and do you feel it is worth the extra $$$ now that you have used it a bit?

No......TR1 is not paying me [img]../images/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/img]

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Buck Wild - 10/9/2006 1:42 PM

SIM, I have the TR-1 and have never missed not having a display. This is my second AP and I thought it was going to be an issue....its not. The TR-1 just works!
honestly - put it thru every test I could think of yesterday and this thing just works perfect - I needed a display before when I had to hit the buttons to move it to a new heading...but when you can grab the wheel and see your COG change on the chartploatter and then just let go, a add'l display is redundant. The wheel is now you way to change course...like it should be! But for those that like to change course using buttons, the tr-1 does that too...big arrow is 1 degree steps and lower arrow is 15 degree steps.....
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I have the exact same system, drives better than I can.
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just post a report after it leaves warranty

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