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Old 10-14-2017, 12:16 AM   #1
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Default New Boats for 2018

We have been hard at work over the past year designing new boats for the beginning of 2018, and our mission is to build the highest quality boats using the very best materials and construction methods available on the market today. We want to build boats that will appeal to the fisherman as well as the rest of the family that wants to just comfortably cruise the water sometimes.

So please stay tuned and we will soon release drawings of our new hulls that will show deck layouts and specifications which will give you a visual of what is coming from KenCraft Boats in the near future. We appreciate all of the positive comments on this site about our line, and if you liked us in the past, you are going to love what we are building for the new year. We will show you why we are a top tier constructed line of boats and we will offer these boats at a fair price to the consumer.

Let us help you enjoy the water for years to come.

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Old 10-14-2017, 07:56 AM   #2
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Glad to see you as a vendor now, and look forward to seeing your new lineup. You know I'm a fan.

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Old 10-14-2017, 08:07 PM   #3
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Good luck. We've had our 215 for 17 years. It has been a great boat.
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Looking forward to seeing the new models. Years ago I was a KC dealer, and personally owned a 206. Nice boats, but the company lacked any marketing effort. Ken's son-in-law was in charge of sales. I always looked forward to deliveries from KC because they always included some Parker's BBQ. Is it still in business?
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Old 10-18-2017, 08:13 PM   #5
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Please add a 28 to 30 footer like the 235. The 235 or 24 is great. I had one. Thinking about another one but would like to go a little bigger. I have the 238 bay boat now and it does great! If you guys made the 235 or 24 - 6 feet longer and moved console and leaning post up 18" to 24" I think you could get a bigger part of that size market. It would be a beast!!!
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Please add a 28 to 30 footer like the 235. The 235 or 24 is great. I had one. Thinking about another one but would like to go a little bigger. I have the 238 bay boat now and it does great! If you guys made the 235 or 24 - 6 feet longer and moved console and leaning post up 18" to 24" I think you could get a bigger part of that size market. It would be a beast!!!
Thanks for the comment and especially thanks for support for our product as you are in the 238 Bay Boat.

We will spill some of the beans now as we are working to get the some of the drawings from Vectorworks that assisted us in designing the NEW................CHALLENGER 25

The plugs will be back in a couple of weeks and then we have to build the molds. We are building 3 new boats for the new year and it will take us a little time to get the molds built from the 5 axis built plugs down at VectorWorks in Florida.

I know you said 28-30 and all in good time. We have discontinued the Challenger 240 and it will be replaced by the Challenger 25. A Euro designed transom hull with what we think is everything you need to fish and cruise and keep everyone happy. We have been working with the engineers and designers on this boat since April of this year, so it has been a long process just to get the design modeled and tooled.

We will get the drawings on our website first (hopefully by the weekend) and then we will release them here as well. We will also give all the specs we currently have.

We are still semi custom and build them one at a time. We have no interest in being that builder that turns out 400 boats each year. When you do that, quality will suffer no matter what someone tells you. That is not our mission or our Business model.

So again thanks from a loyal Challenger and Bay Rider guy and keep watching and the CAD drawings will be here soon.
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I will be on the look out for it. Good luck!
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Old 10-23-2017, 03:26 PM   #8
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Glad to see you guys are on THT and glad to see you adding some breadth to the lineup. I am a huge Kencraft fan, having owned a 215.

I have been excited to see the new 25, but I must say I am a little disappointed to see from the renderings on the website that it will be a 2 piece boat. Credit to you for at least having the cutout and drop-in gunnel cap to allow for toe room in the rear cockpit, but I for one would greatly prefer a 3-piece boat, and one that allowed you do go with or without the front seating.

I am sure you are committed to the 2-pc hull at this point...if that is the case I also think the front seating would be better if you left it open at the front to allow easy access to the anchor locker without standing on seats or leaning over so far. You can add a drop-in to fill that space, like Cobia does.

I really like the console without seat--allows a nice cooler in front and flexibility. Would worry a little if there is enough space to have a cooler and access the floor box?

Unsolicited advice I know...but I think you are onto a winner here, and with a little tweak like being able to walk all the way to the bow it would be even better, even if not 3-pc.

Good luck and I look forward to seeing this one in person! And one more vote for stretching this one to 28-29'--that is an underserved market.

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Let me try to address some of your thoughts

3 Piece boats are very expensive to build and that is why most builders are now only offering 2 piece hulls with a few exceptions and those exceptions are very expensive to own. In the 25 foot range, you can still build a great boat with a 2 piece method that is only lacking in the extra foot room under the gunwales of the 3 piece boat.

The market is different from the days of the 215 Challenger. No longer is the guy the sole decision maker. Average age is 57 and guess who controls more than 50% of most decisions to purchase: The wife

She wants 3 things mostly: Cup holders nearby, comfortable forward seating, and somewhere to use the head privately. After that, she does not care what fishing amenities you order. So we have to be mindful of the market or we go out of business.

When you design and build new molds with the help of companies like VectorWorks, tooling is very expensive. We cannot offer 2 models of the Challenger 25............we cannot afford to build 2 molds and pay for the tooling and sell the boats at a price anyone can afford. We don't charge crazy prices like some other builders, yet we use all the Top Tier materials that they do but charge way less. We do not compare to a mid tier built boat because we are not and we can prove it. Go to the website and see what materials we put in our boats and compare to the competition.

You will have plenty of room in this boat. The forward seats are removable with hidden fasteners (no snaps or slides) and they are custom built in Greenville by the same company that makes Grady White seats. The seats stop short of the wrap around to allow for you to step up on the deck to throw that net. We were fisherman first, so it was all thouht out ahead of time........Plenty of room to maneuver and lots of seating and massive livewell capacity (33 standard) 45 Optional along with a safe boat that drains water quickly.


We have to focus on what the market wants and try our best to satisfy the fish guy(like us) and the fish guy's better half, or we will not sell any boats and then we are gone.

We will introduce 3 new V bottoms this year.......239 Hybrid..........219 Hybrid.............25 Challenger

No telling what we have up our sleeve next..........might be a bigger offering down the road.

Thanks for the support
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First, glad you guys are on here and following the forum.

I would not expect you to remake the 215, agreed you wouldn’t sell many. And starting fresh on the 235/240 size is a good call as well for lots of reasons...it was a beast but you are making some definite improvements.

Having family friendly features with fishing features will definitely help sell this boat. I understand why you went two piece. As I said, the toe space in the aft cockpit takes care of most of the concerns I had. 20 degree dead rise is a nice compromise.

Still would personally prefer to be able to walk to the bow between the seats but that’s not a deal breaker for most. The hull looks good and I’m sure it will be a winner.

Couple of other questions. Does the front floor storage/fish box drain overboard? Gravity or macerated?

You mention the cockpit drains...do they exit above waterline?

In the live wells are the standpipes centered or offset?

Any idea yet on pricing?

Again congrats on reviving the Challenger line and I look forward to seeing one on person. Happy Thanksgiving to all of you.




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Let me try to address some of your thoughts

3 Piece boats are very expensive to build and that is why most builders are now only offering 2 piece hulls with a few exceptions and those exceptions are very expensive to own. In the 25 foot range, you can still build a great boat with a 2 piece method that is only lacking in the extra foot room under the gunwales of the 3 piece boat.

The market is different from the days of the 215 Challenger. No longer is the guy the sole decision maker. Average age is 57 and guess who controls more than 50% of most decisions to purchase: The wife

She wants 3 things mostly: Cup holders nearby, comfortable forward seating, and somewhere to use the head privately. After that, she does not care what fishing amenities you order. So we have to be mindful of the market or we go out of business.

When you design and build new molds with the help of companies like VectorWorks, tooling is very expensive. We cannot offer 2 models of the Challenger 25............we cannot afford to build 2 molds and pay for the tooling and sell the boats at a price anyone can afford. We don't charge crazy prices like some other builders, yet we use all the Top Tier materials that they do but charge way less. We do not compare to a mid tier built boat because we are not and we can prove it. Go to the website and see what materials we put in our boats and compare to the competition.

You will have plenty of room in this boat. The forward seats are removable with hidden fasteners (no snaps or slides) and they are custom built in Greenville by the same company that makes Grady White seats. The seats stop short of the wrap around to allow for you to step up on the deck to throw that net. We were fisherman first, so it was all thouht out ahead of time........Plenty of room to maneuver and lots of seating and massive livewell capacity (33 standard) 45 Optional along with a safe boat that drains water quickly.


We have to focus on what the market wants and try our best to satisfy the fish guy(like us) and the fish guy's better half, or we will not sell any boats and then we are gone.

We will introduce 3 new V bottoms this year.......239 Hybrid..........219 Hybrid.............25 Challenger

No telling what we have up our sleeve next..........might be a bigger offering down the road.

Thanks for the support
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Ok let me go one by one. Great questions.

First, the front boxes do drain overboard and they are fully foamed. One neat difference from competitors, the boxes will wrap around and meet in the middle with no partition so you can stuff a big fish in there if you fill up the in floor box. In Floor box drains to the bilge. I hate macerator pumps.....sorry

Cockpit drains at the transom are above waterline. Interior floor drains out via transom door. Key point here. No one does this and I cannot figure out why. It is all about safety with me.

No scuppers that drain via hoses out the rear. Not safe in my opinion and take a big wave over the bow and water is standing like your shower. Floor is tilted 3 degrees towards the transom door (you will not see or feel it ) to drain all water from the port and it will flow out the door (with no flange) to very quickly exit the boat for safety. Floor has 1 inch fall front to back at rest........water will pile out the back door.

Pricing yet to be determined but it will be more than competitive with what is out there. I want to offer more for less without any QUALITY sacrifice. All I care about is making it the best we can with all the latest and best materials available today. ( all Bi and Tri directional glass and all boxes foamed , etc.)


Thanks for the great questions and support. We hope this is a big hit with the market.
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