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Old 05-10-2017, 06:15 AM
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Hi Guys,

Im looking to offer a kayak mothership trip as a charter offering, and I wanted to get some feedback on the idea, as well as see what people would be interested in.

Based in RI, I would be looking to take a group out to Block island, and then get them to the new wind farm, or to the SW ledge. Hotspots for bass, as well as possibly mahi. The boat would drift along, and provide support where needed.

Im thinking my biggest challenges would be an efficient way to store/launch the kayaks.

I have seen a few offerings like this on the West coast, but nothing in New England.

Thanks for any input or ideas you may have!
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Old 05-11-2017, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by PtJudeRI View Post
Hi Guys,

Im looking to offer a kayak mothership trip as a charter offering, and I wanted to get some feedback on the idea, as well as see what people would be interested in.

Based in RI, I would be looking to take a group out to Block island, and then get them to the new wind farm, or to the SW ledge. Hotspots for bass, as well as possibly mahi. The boat would drift along, and provide support where needed.

Im thinking my biggest challenges would be an efficient way to store/launch the kayaks.

I have seen a few offerings like this on the West coast, but nothing in New England.

Thanks for any input or ideas you may have!
How many kayaks you considering? I think with some thought and planning you could work around the storage and launching issues, that is just simple logistics.

Areas of concern that I would have is:

What is your target market? I do not see this working out well for inexperienced anglers. Keeping track of them, actually guiding them to the spots could turn into a cluster bleep.

Are you providing all bait/tackle?

How will you vet the charterers paddling ability? A kayak in those waters is no joke. (I have done the Pt Judith to BI paddle)

Inexperienced paddlers may have difficulty landing the fish from a kayak

Or, is your model going to be to simply provide a ride to the grounds for experienced paddlers and kayak fishermen? If so, this presents unique challenges in that experienced yak fishermen are very territorial and particular about their kayaks and how they are set up.

I think it is actually a great idea, so please do not take my post as negative, I just think there are some strategic questions that need to be vetted.
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Not taking it as a negative at all! Thanks for the reply. i have been thinking about the same things. with no real good way to vet the paddlers, its really all in the trip description and waiver. Each paddler will have to have a flag and radio for visual and audio contact.
We are shuttling people to the wind farm off Block potentially, so we will loiter and wait, or help out as needed.
With the complexity of a modern rigged fishing yak, I certainly cant toss them in the cockpit, so I would have to secure them on the bow and have a good way of launching and retrieving. Certainly something to think about.
We would provide bait, and tackle for anyone who doesnt want to use their own.

Additionally, we are looking into getting a drone for some great action shots while guys are fighting fish.
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Originally Posted by PtJudeRI View Post
Not taking it as a negative at all! Thanks for the reply. i have been thinking about the same things. with no real good way to vet the paddlers, its really all in the trip description and waiver. Each paddler will have to have a flag and radio for visual and audio contact.
We are shuttling people to the wind farm off Block potentially, so we will loiter and wait, or help out as needed.
With the complexity of a modern rigged fishing yak, I certainly cant toss them in the cockpit, so I would have to secure them on the bow and have a good way of launching and retrieving. Certainly something to think about.
We would provide bait, and tackle for anyone who doesnt want to use their own.

Additionally, we are looking into getting a drone for some great action shots while guys are fighting fish.
I really like the drone idea. You should go to this forum and ask around to see if the experienced guys would want a ride out to the wind farm. Good way to vet the idea.

http://www.newenglandkayakfishing.com/
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You could contact Capt. Danny Wray in Louisiana. As far as I know, he has the only local kayak charter business. I think he was using a customized pontoon boat with a rack system for his mothership. Anyway, he is a very nice guy and answered similar questions for me when I was considering something like this a decade ago.
http://www.calmwatercharters.net/
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Old 05-22-2017, 07:57 AM
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There was a guy in Cape May ,NJ doing it but many trips got canceled due to weather. His boat could make it out to Canyon but too rough to throw kayaks in water.
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Old 06-25-2017, 09:30 AM
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I was "kind of" doing that idea. I charter my Mainship 34 through SW Florida Yachts, and offered 2 kayaks rigged for fishing with it (http://www.swfyachts.com/webpages/ch...chardonnay.htm).

Recently stopped doing this, not enough interest in the kayaks. I do know of one operator who does live aboard kayak trips, has a 40 or 50 some foot catamaran as a mothership. Operates out of Fort Myers Beach or Cape Coral. Sorry, dont know the name, you will have to research the outfit.

How big would your mothership be?
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Old 07-19-2017, 04:42 AM
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Hi, I'm new here for a few questions. My father loves fishing very much. I thought for a long time about what would be useful to him and eventually decided on a kayak. And here I actually have a question - I have about 100 pounds for a gift, at a price fit more or less single-seat inflatable kayaks, I looked at a few options of them, but did not come to the final sight, decided to consult the spar with knowledgeable people. So is it not dangerous to fish with an inflatable one? Can there be any other, relatively cheap species?
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Old 07-19-2017, 12:14 PM
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In the US, one can pick up used plastic sit on top kayaks for about 100 US Dollars that would be better for fishing than a cheap inflatable kayak.
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I just did a mothership tuna trip a couple weeks ago. The captain that offers them does it through a kayak shop. We have a kayak fishing store in my state that does a lot of business and rounds up the people. The trip is limited to 6 people and the store is the one that set it up.

He runs a 34' pilot house that you can actually walk around the pilot house on the deck. The kayaks are simply strapped to the gunnels through the rod holders and are stacked 2 deep.







It was a fun trip. A guy hooked a tuna that was estimated over 70# and fought it for about and hour and was dragged a mile. He never got it in as it snapped his rod. All we landed was a tiger shark.






You will certainly have to pick your days, You would also think about how you are going to get in and out of the boat and the need to recover someone swimming. The only safety concern we had is getting a 50+ pound fish with a gaff in your kayak and not flipping or sticking yourself. Landing a fish of any size might be a two man operation, Another factor on your mind is if a shark is going to try and attack you fish on the side of your kayak.
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I have been asking about trips like this also. I am a kayaker who wants the mothership. I also think veting the experienced from the not so is going to be very difficult, especially nowadays with all the YouTube guys who think they are experts. How could someone prove they were capable? Also loading kayaks, i have a fiberglass stealth fisha 500, this is not a boat i would want to just toss on board and tie to the gunnels. I am a metal fabricator and think you could have some kind of rack made of stainless or aluminum but then you would have to make that up by charging to customers. Here in tx i fish lakes and the gulf, mostly off padre island national seashore and paddle to the platforms offshore but sails, tuna, mahi and quality snapper are tough to find if you find them at all. Spanish mackerel and kingfish are easy to find with the occasional cobia. Cost is something that is going to be tough for myself and many other paddlers. This topic is very interesting and would be amazing if it could be worked out. I hope it can be
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Old 06-15-2019, 07:17 AM
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Hobie just came out with a new, lightweight, peddle kayak: https://www.austinkayak.com/Hobie-Mi...ACK27415P.html. It is inexpensive, stable, STACKABLE, and light weight. And not that expensive. I could carry 2 of these on the swim platform of my 34 foot Mothership.

Looking for the first couple of customers to justify my buying 2 of them! We charter this 34 foot Mainship out of the Fort Myers/Sanibel area. If interested, PM me.

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I think your ideas are good. I just think it would be hard to get people to jump in an unknown/unproven kayak offshore. Personally i wouldnt get in a kayak i hadnt paddled before. I think also, pedals can be challenging while fighting fish.
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I have had a Hobie Pro Angler 12 for 18 months now and I love it.

But, a couple weeks ago, I "test drove" this new Hobie Mirage Passport: https://paddling.com/gear/mirage-passport/.

It was stable, lightweight, and much faster and more manuverable than the Pro Angler. I am seriously considering selling the PA and buying 2 of these Mirage Passports.

I prefer pedals to paddles for fishing. You have both hands free all the time for handling a rod, landing fish, etc. Trolling, one of the most productive ways of landing fish in my experience, is a breeze with pedals. With paddles, not so much.
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I think if you're going for the cheap option Sun Dolphin is a good choice, anyhow how many you're considering?
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Old 06-28-2019, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris.G View Post
I think if you're going for the cheap option Sun Dolphin is a good choice, anyhow how many you're considering?
The boat has 2 queen beds, so 2 to 4 people, depending upon sleeping arrangements. There are 2 single angler fishing kayaks.
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If I am going off shore without an extremely capable kayak fisherman guide to an unknown area I would expect an extremely capable platform. I see two options byo gear and kayak or provide high end pedal drive loaded with electronics and fishing and safety gear including attachments such as rod holders and live wells. Me personally I would prefer to have a pedal drive preferably hobie (hands free fishing) and that far offshore it would have to be a PA 14 maybe the outback or PA12 anything less than that level of stability out there would be inadvisable. The easy way would be to bulld a cradle on your platform using a combination of 8ft 3" PVC in parallel about 10 inches apart attached to some form of framing per kayak to your swim platform/transoms to cradle the yaks this will allow for flexing. I would not want to be out there without access to live baitwell, handheld vhf, ff/gps, ect. I hope this helps ps also a really good waiver written up by an attorney for liability for when and if shit hits the fan.
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If I am going off shore without an extremely capable kayak fisherman guide to an unknown area I would expect an extremely capable platform. I see two options byo gear and kayak or provide high end pedal drive loaded with electronics and fishing and safety gear including attachments such as rod holders and live wells. Me personally I would prefer to have a pedal drive preferably hobie (hands free fishing) and that far offshore it would have to be a PA 14 maybe the outback or PA12 anything less than that level of stability out there would be inadvisable. The easy way would be to bulld a cradle on your platform using a combination of 8ft 3" PVC in parallel about 10 inches apart attached to some form of framing per kayak to your swim platform/transoms to cradle the yaks this will allow for flexing. I would not want to be out there without access to live baitwell, handheld vhf, ff/gps, ect. I hope this helps ps also a really good waiver written up by an attorney for liability for when and if shit hits the fan.
hobies are good kayaks for sure, that said i wouldnt be excited at all to take a pa offshore. The outback is definitely the better choice. I paddle a stealth fisha 500 and for offshore hands down is one of the best made for that application.

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Old 08-07-2019, 03:11 PM
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I think your ideas are good. I just think it would be hard to get people to jump in an unknown/unproven kayak offshore. Personally i wouldnt get in a kayak i hadnt paddled before. I think also, pedals can be challenging while fighting fish.

We would definately NOT be going offshore. We would be fishing beaches around Sanibel/Captiva as well as islands in Pine Island Sound.
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Then im curious, why the mothership. Most people who have any intrest in kayaks and kayak fishing would easily be able to paddle out a short distance. In my eyes the whole point of a mothership is to get further offshore, out of reach to a paddler.
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