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Old 02-08-2019, 09:30 PM
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Sorry for the delay - that put me behind the power curve on responses!

- To clarify, any talk from me about inboard implies diesel.
- Keeping my eye on world cat’s at this point. Based purely on what I’m seeing as far as layout and function, I’m liking what I see. Definitely need to put some eyeballs on these in person
- Good advice, and thanks, on finding gathering spots with different boats. Destin is a pretty good spot for that ��
- Patience I can do! I’ve been reading up for an embarrassingly long amount of time so far, and I actually mentioned to the frau this week that just because I said I’m close to ready to buy a boat doesn’t mean it has to be this year. (For reference, it took me two years to buy the right truck. But it’s perfect and everything I want.)
- Apologies for being a little off. The missus prefers no CC, not necessarily outlawed. I was just mentioning today that I’ve seen some CC’s that are such behemoths they offer a standup head, sink and some even with a spot for the kiddo to nap. (No such animal in our budget for an adult, but that’s not a looming requirement,)

We’re at the in-laws this weekend and heading to the Mobile boat show, so I can at least get a better frame of reference for some specific boat types and layouts. Not buying new, but looking at online photos skews one’s perception after a while. A 30 foot boat with a 10ft beam is a pretty damned big boat - easy to forget when you’re looking at thumbnail pictures.

And get me out of Mobile. My in-laws’ trawler is parked close to a beautifully fully restored from stringers to bridge Bertram 31 repowered with Cummins diesels. What a beautiful boat that I likely don’t need.

Edit: it’s this one. Bertram 31 And it isn’t in NOLA. I looked at it today at dog river marina in Mobile. It’s VERY clean.
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My, things change sometimes. Not necessarily a bad thing. The missus and I went over to the Mobile boat show this weekend, and then had a bit of a re-channel of where we want to go with a boat at this point.

- Budget remains the same
- Center consoles are back on the list. Still need to have a design that allows a porto potti, but that’s a pretty broad base
- Climbed all over a world cat for the first time, these are definitely on the list. Going out on one this week. Problem is, I’m not sure if it was impressive because of the concept, or because it was a 1/4 million dollar 32 footer. Sheesh.
- On the contrary, we are also maybe leaning to buy the newest example of the best boat our budget gets us in the “now” and maybe thinking big boat later? Inboards are out, and we’re even going back to a dealer to walk around our first love (Cape Horn) which happens to also have the World Cats.
- Somewhat hesitant about a trial on the WC. Even if I like it, budget is budget and it’s still a plastic boat, they seem to be pretty pricey. (Of course, so are Contenders and I still look at some and wonder where you’re supposed to sit.) We’ll see.

So, outboard CC/WA or cat, highest quality within the budget, and throttling back on the size of the boat we need now, the boat show was a good “get focused” point as far as boat buying, for now. 5 years from now may be different, but for where we live, if it says Cape Horn, Sea Hunt, Grady, Contender on the side of it, it will sell if it was a mistake for us. (No, I don’t think sea hunt is the same quality as Cape Horn or Contender, just a reflection of the market.)
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Old 02-11-2019, 12:04 PM
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I have a friend wit a 23 Sea Hunt that is a fine boat. Its 15ish years old and still a tank of a 23. I've been 80 miles out in it and would go again....
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https://www.thehulltruth.com/boats-s...acat-27-a.html

Found this intersting.......
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Old 02-11-2019, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Twin Vee 26 View Post
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Old 02-11-2019, 01:34 PM
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You mentioned Pursuit in the original post and I ran a Pursuit 3070 for almost 10 years out of Pensacola and I loved the boat. I did a lot of deep dropping 80-100 miles and it suited that really well. It had twin yamaha 225 engines which were a good compromise on speed and economy. Boat would run 45 top end but my back usually chose to run at 30-35 and the fuel economy was pretty good. The wide beam felt like a bigger boat when fishing or grilling in the back. These boats are express style so it has the cabin my wife wanted with a/c, nice head etc. so the kids could get out of the sun. That being said, we drug the generator all over the gulf but rarely used it when fishing as it was all fellas and we stayed in the cockpit. Unfortunately the generator takes up what should be the fishbox so we used a yeti 250 for seats, bait prep and fish box plus fish bags if a great day. The boat is a good overall compromise between fishing and family. You can overnight at Sandestin for example at the marina or just get some a/c at crab island if need be etc. I think an express like the Pursuit or Grady White would suit your needs well. I have fished from a Freeman cat and it is fast and goes into the slop like no monohull can but the cost is extremely high and creature comforts are lacking. I do not have experience with a cat with cabin but imagine it is a good option for you as well.
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Old 02-11-2019, 03:37 PM
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TwinVee - my statement sounded a little more “down” on sea hunt than I intended. By all accounts, I’ve heard they are well made boats, and certainly capable. That’s why they’re on the list! (Along with Sportsman.) I guess my point was more in longevity and how they hold up as a brand overall. There are a LOT of Contenders and Cape Horns that are 20 years old and, when well kept, have been repowered and still run like a new boat. I just wonder what will happen to a hard fished lower priced brand at the same points. Honest question - the answer may very well be “exactly the same thing.”

Still looking at cat options, but I know so little about them I’m having a tough time figuring out what to look for. I’ve no room nor reason to be a brand snob, but what’s the difference in a WC, Pro Kat, Glacier Bay, Ameracat, etc., etc?

Island, great insight, and thanks! Pursuits are definitely on the list, they’re just kinda like a Grady in that I’m riding the thin line of having to buy so old to stay within budget (because they’re good, high demand boats) that I find myself worrying that I’m about to step into something that is someone else’s project or they’re dumping it for a reason. (Mid 2000’s Yamaha outboards, for example, with corrosion problems.)

Gonna try and look at a Hydrasports Vector 29 walkaround if I can get back over to Mobile soon. I hear great things about the hulls and ride, and she’s a beast of a boat as far as measurements are concerned. Add those to the list!

So, still leaning towards a cabin boat, but CC’s are open as well.
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Old 02-11-2019, 06:48 PM
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I think (if you ever found yourself on one) that an Ameracat just won't suit your needs; but they are a Cat and do ride nice.
If you haven't done it yet, find a way to hitch a ride on a Glacier Bay or WC Express Cabin.
It comes down to personal taste - any 28' WC express or Glacier Bay is going to ride as nice, if not better than a non-cabin 30'CC.
Heavier, wider 30' cuddy's or express cabin mono hulls will ride as soft as a mono can possibly be (and as close as possible to a 2'-3' shorter Cat), but you tend to give up a little on gph...some care, some don't.
Some prefer/need the slightly shallower draft of the Cat over the mono.
I tend to fish 4+ guys, so an express cabin for me means almost everyone in the cockpit at all times, so longer or beamier would be necessary;
Other folks get to have the Admiral as their fishing buddy, or maybe only one or two other guys at a time, so an express isn't an issue.
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Old 02-11-2019, 07:00 PM
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Mr. Fish,

I reckon you live close by Eglin, so if I am right, the boat at the following link is not to far away for you to check out. I was coming back from Hurlbert the other day and I saw this boat coming over the bridge and it reminded me of my last boat, which we loved. It is a little on the smaller size of what I think your looking for, but it is new and the price is right - I think they dropped the price to $81k.

https://www.adventuremarina.com/defa...=xNewInventory

If this boat is a No Go, good luck finding "The One".

Cheers, T.
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Beanbags do make the best seats! Plus you can pile them out of the way while fishing
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. I’ve no room nor reason to be a brand snob, but what’s the difference in a WC, Pro Kat, Glacier Bay, Ameracat, etc., etc?

Fit and finish / hull design

WC super fit and finish - show room nice - well built - great ride

Pro Cat - I’m not as familiar but have seen a lot of older ones looking good and still doing their job

Glacier Bay I’m not a fan. Real funny action in side sea or quarter sea. Well built less fit and finish than WC-full displacement hull

Americat well built less fit and finish more of a fishing boat better ride than the others. Lower price point

Twin Vee well built, less fit and finish than all above but better ride also. Much lower price point. I’ve had 2 and can’t complain especially for the money. In my 31 I run 3-4 ft seas at 35mph. Everyone in boat is dry and comfortable while I relax and drive with 1 foot. Literally....

Im not an expert but best I can tell the wider sponson boats have better ride but are slower. Something to do with full / semi displacement. All have had year models better than others. As always have a full professional assessment done before purchasing a used boat and test drive it in some decent seas so you know what to expect. None of the cats listed are going to slam down like a mono. They just don’t do it from my experience. I got stuck in solid 5’s with some 7’s mixed in while on my 26 and never got beat up. I could only go 13-18 mph but we never had a problem or were uncomfortable. (I’m not choosing to do it again either) I’ll fish solid 4’s in my 31

my 2 cents. Hope it helps
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The cats will have more deck space as they carry their width all the way to the front of the boat. As posted above bean bags make up for built in seating and are more comfortable. Cats will generally have less storage due to the lack of the large room the v hull creates. There’s no perfect boat. Just got to find the one you like best. Good luck
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Old 02-14-2019, 11:31 AM
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Thanks for the fill-ins! Supposed to have demo’d a Cape Horn and a WC today, nice and windy. But, I never heard from the dealer, so still trudging around THT/Boat trader/craigslist.

Cat’s in the budget are a little tougher to find, but makes sense I suppose just based on raw numbers. Anyone have strong opinions on the following?

2002 Pursuit 3070
Engine age has my attention, bottom paint isn’t my favorite, but I’ve heard lots of positives about these boats

2008 HS 2900 VX
Heard maybe even better things about these, but no experience. 2008-era Yamaha engines make me a bit nervous, especially when the dealer just “whistles past” it.

2001 GW 265
Heard about GW, just not specifically this one. Oldest of the bunch, but in the running for the cleanest? Trailerable, solid boat is what comes to mind, but how’s it ride (relatively) and we’re back to engine age concerns

Of note, legendary marine (PCB) has a mid-2000’s GW 300 Marlin, very clean, 2015 Yamaha 300 repower, no gen, $79,000.
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All 3 are offshore capable. My 1st choice would be the HS VX, but that's me, I like a heavy hull and am willing to trade off on gph.
I don't care what engines any used boat has on it; inspect, inspect, survey, sea-trial and inspect.
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Originally Posted by fishF15 View Post
Thanks for the fill-ins! Supposed to have demo’d a Cape Horn and a WC today, nice and windy. But, I never heard from the dealer, so still trudging around THT/Boat trader/craigslist.

Cat’s in the budget are a little tougher to find, but makes sense I suppose just based on raw numbers. Anyone have strong opinions on the following?

2002 Pursuit 3070
Engine age has my attention, bottom paint isn’t my favorite, but I’ve heard lots of positives about these boats

2008 HS 2900 VX
Heard maybe even better things about these, but no experience. 2008-era Yamaha engines make me a bit nervous, especially when the dealer just “whistles past” it.

2001 GW 265
Heard about GW, just not specifically this one. Oldest of the bunch, but in the running for the cleanest? Trailerable, solid boat is what comes to mind, but how’s it ride (relatively) and we’re back to engine age concerns

Of note, legendary marine (PCB) has a mid-2000’s GW 300 Marlin, very clean, 2015 Yamaha 300 repower, no gen, $79,000.
Bring a bag of cash and you can have mine...
2017 Zuks Garin and simrad throughout...
AC/portable gen.
Fish killin' machine $110k
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Bring a bag of cash and you can have mine...
2017 Zuks Garin and simrad throughout...
AC/portable gen.
Fish killin' machine $110k
Dry, you have a nice boat, for sure.

Just curious, if you sold it tomorrow, what boat would be its replacement ? (OP, sorry for the short derail...}
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Originally Posted by LandLocked42Long View Post
All 3 are offshore capable. My 1st choice would be the HS VX, but that's me, I like a heavy hull and am willing to trade off on gph.
I don't care what engines any used boat has on it; inspect, inspect, survey, sea-trial and inspect.
Noooo doubt, and I’ve heard a lot of the same sentiment regarding the HS hull. Hoping it’s still around by the time I get to check it out.

Dry - I’m all ears, whatcha got?!

No worries, derail as much as you like, I’m all ears! (Eyes?)
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Wow.

https://www.boattrader.com/listing/2...dard%20listing

Never checked out this 3070 make/model before. Wow.

My favorite for this size/style has always been the GW 33 express, but I really like this 3070 layout. Just look at all that storage under the helm console. Sometimes stuff is cool on paper but lacks come execution - if that storage is the real deal that is huge.

And I count 6 boaters seated comfortably out of the weather. Nice.

Very nice boat, Dry. I'll have to check if your newer model still uses this old layout.

OP, good luck with your search.
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Originally Posted by trejsic.mejsic View Post
Dry, you have a nice boat, for sure.

Just curious, if you sold it tomorrow, what boat would be its replacement ? (OP, sorry for the short derail...}
SeaVee 34 or larger...
Don't really want to sell my Pursuit cause everything has been upgraded or replaced 2018, triple axle trailer like new. Just detailed last week with ceramic coating...
Nothing left to do at this time except install seablaze lights this weekend. the under deck berth is killer!!!
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For those that asked to keep this posted, the more progress we make narrowing down the crazier I feel. Sitting down and writing out or talking out what a given weekday/weekend use of the boat looks like starts to change the needs list. Even for the wife.

Were actually whittling away options and leaning leaning back towards a CC. Mostly because our little one is so young, we’re a few years away from his needs really being a factor. As in, if we’re heading “out,” it may be a quality day with the grandparents kind of day. We never intended overnights anyway, so this points towards CC.

That was the wife’s inject. She also brought up that we need to get a boat that I can single hand and fish, because she’s not always going. That makes her strongly suspicious of....a 30 foot express style boat, even though in the long term that may be what we add to the stable.

After all all of this, we may be shifting to a “buy the newest, well equipped, longest time left under warranty boat in the budget, that has the best local market resale” mentality. Partly for her injects, and partly because I’m tired of dealing with junk because I got a good deal.

Thoughts on these ramblings? We’ve kinda come full circle in that we had previously discussed getting a smaller boat that’s easy to just jump in and go - and later buying “the boat” but keeping the smaller guy for ease of use/maintenance/etc.
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