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Old 02-13-2019, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ffiisshh0 View Post
Mexico allowing foreign flagged vessels to rape their waters for $$$ should be alarming. These vessels fish with impunity and zero regards for quotas.
some of them hail from US ports, been going on for a long time
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Old 02-14-2019, 05:18 PM
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US Vessels landing fish caught in. Mexican waters ???

I thought that ended way way back

please give more details
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Old 02-15-2019, 01:48 PM
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Most are snapper boats. Some target tuna.

https://www.victoriaadvocate.com/new...d51301924.html
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Old 02-21-2019, 02:18 PM
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They are there and smashing fish with the green stick spoke to one boat that spent 8 days at mad dog pulling green sticks. He said by mid june he killed over 700 yellowfin over 100lbs. its sickening. The commercial guys rape and pillage with no consideration for their by catch. At this rate the recreational fishing world will be a thing of the past in 15 years.

one trip we counted 15 commercial boats 4-6 tuna boats 3 long liners and the rest raping every bottom rock they could. Ive watched them wipe out entire colonies of fish leaving nothing behind. we snag long line gear for grouper every trip now. We never saw that ever every year it has gotten worst. The most sickening part is the commercial boats I see are from the carolina fishing the gulf. Go f uck up your own back yard.
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Old 02-21-2019, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by tchredneck View Post
They are there and smashing fish with the green stick spoke to one boat that spent 8 days at mad dog pulling green sticks. He said by mid june he killed over 700 yellowfin over 100lbs. its sickening. The commercial guys rape and pillage with no consideration for their by catch. At this rate the recreational fishing world will be a thing of the past in 15 years.

one trip we counted 15 commercial boats 4-6 tuna boats 3 long liners and the rest raping every bottom rock they could. Ive watched them wipe out entire colonies of fish leaving nothing behind. we snag long line gear for grouper every trip now. We never saw that ever every year it has gotten worst. The most sickening part is the commercial boats I see are from the carolina fishing the gulf. Go f uck up your own back yard.

That is sickening....
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Old 02-21-2019, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by tchredneck View Post
They are there and smashing fish with the green stick spoke to one boat that spent 8 days at mad dog pulling green sticks. He said by mid june he killed over 700 yellowfin over 100lbs. its sickening. The commercial guys rape and pillage with no consideration for their by catch. At this rate the recreational fishing world will be a thing of the past in 15 years.

one trip we counted 15 commercial boats 4-6 tuna boats 3 long liners and the rest raping every bottom rock they could. Ive watched them wipe out entire colonies of fish leaving nothing behind. we snag long line gear for grouper every trip now. We never saw that ever every year it has gotten worst. The most sickening part is the commercial boats I see are from the carolina fishing the gulf. Go f uck up your own back yard.

I realize this is "anecdotal evidence", but if it's true how could you possibly be pointing fingers at other rec boats? Seems to be yet another sharp contrast with the sub-par summer we had in 2018.

Is this not a similar situation to what we had with redfish back in the day?
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Old 02-25-2019, 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by tchredneck View Post
They are there and smashing fish with the green stick spoke to one boat that spent 8 days at mad dog pulling green sticks. He said by mid june he killed over 700 yellowfin over 100lbs. its sickening. The commercial guys rape and pillage with no consideration for their by catch. At this rate the recreational fishing world will be a thing of the past in 15 years.

one trip we counted 15 commercial boats 4-6 tuna boats 3 long liners and the rest raping every bottom rock they could. Ive watched them wipe out entire colonies of fish leaving nothing behind. we snag long line gear for grouper every trip now. We never saw that ever every year it has gotten worst. The most sickening part is the commercial boats I see are from the carolina fishing the gulf. Go f uck up your own back yard.
What you should be upset about, if this is even remotely true, is that this 70k of fish was caught using a greenstick and is virtually worthless money-wise, very poor grade. The same fish caught on a longline is worth 5X+ more money- if you're going to remove the resource, why not have it achieve top-dollar?
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Originally Posted by hamma job View Post
What you should be upset about, if this is even remotely true, is that this 70k of fish was caught using a greenstick and is virtually worthless money-wise, very poor grade. The same fish caught on a longline is worth 5X+ more money- if you're going to remove the resource, why not have it achieve top-dollar?
Whats the by catch rate on the lone line versus the greenstick?
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Why are the fish caught via greenstick not worth as much?
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Old 02-25-2019, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by tchredneck View Post
They are there and smashing fish with the green stick spoke to one boat that spent 8 days at mad dog pulling green sticks. He said by mid june he killed over 700 yellowfin over 100lbs. its sickening. .
I saw a LOT of green stick boats unload. NONE were anywhere close to being that effective. In fact, none of the long line boats were that effective either. Not even close.
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Originally Posted by bluescholar View Post
Whats the by catch rate on the lone line versus the greenstick?
I don't understand the question. Try to couch it a little bit differently and I'll see if I can answer.
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Old 02-25-2019, 11:58 AM
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Why are the fish caught via greenstick not worth as much?
That's the first I ever heard of that. If that is the case, I suspect that it has to do with the trolling speed and the fight the fish puts up. It's a short duration fight. When they are caught on longlines, there is no trolling speed involved, but they do stay on the hook much longer. I have heard that fish caught closer to shore don't typically grade out as well.

A google search of green stick tuna fishing can show you what it's all about. It's nothing special. It's a form of trolling using "upriggers" if you will.
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Originally Posted by Gmack View Post
Why are the fish caught via greenstick not worth as much?
Several reasons:
1. Lactic acid builds up quickly after fish is hooked and slowly dissipates over time. Shorter and more violent the fight time, the higher lactic acid. Lower value.
2. Tunas regulate their body temperature, when stressed they will elevate body temperature. This too can come down after a prolonged fight and dissipates easier in colder (deeper) water. Longline fish "swim out" in deeper water after being hooked. When they are caught, they are ideally still alive, but barely so.
3. Geographically fish from closer to shore (Lump Fish) grade poorly to begin with.
4. Longline fishing is done on bigger boats, capable of caring for fish better in general than GS boats.
5. Fish are normally very green when caught on a GS, therefore more apt to bruise themselves.
6. High-end buyers know all of the above and there is a stigma against the fish to begin with. Most high-end dealers won't even touch the stuff.
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