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Old 02-05-2019, 10:25 AM
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Just a heard a report of a contender killing 19 wahoos today. Congratulations, but why couldn't you have kept 5-8 and moved on to another species? This is just like killing 20 yellowfin a trip. I've heard of at least 3 other boats doing this same thing this year. In 5 years we are going to be wondering where the wahoo are at. They won't be at the reef anymore you can bank on that. We are ruining every good fishing spot we have by overfishing. I don't have a problem with 30 boats on a spot everybody is entitled to fish, but killing every fish you catch is what is wrong with this picture.
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Old 02-05-2019, 10:55 AM
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fishermen bitching about fishermen keeping fish within the limits is not good JuJu
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Old 02-05-2019, 11:08 AM
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Envious maybe???
Don't fret the Feds will put a limit in them soon...
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Old 02-05-2019, 11:08 AM
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Old 02-05-2019, 11:57 AM
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Envious? No not at all, I can go anytime I want. Already made a trip in January and caught 4, filled several peoples freezers. I've been fishing for 22 years and have seen first hand the effects of overfishing and poor management. We used to run to the ram Powell for afternoon trips and were guaranteed 3-4 yellowfins and home by 9 o'clock. I caught 2 ALL last summer and spent countless hours drifting around green canyon. No question the fishery is getting worse and worse every season. If you don't believe me you are a rookie and haven't been doing this long enough. Ask any of the charter guys out of Venice what their thoughts are. Most have said screw the limits, were going to keep a few fish from now on and save some for the next day. Jeepman they are within their limits because there is not a limit. With that mentality kill them all and it'll be ok bc its within the limits... Leave some for the generations to come. If I am getting bad JuJu for trying to conserve for the next guy then so be it.
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Old 02-05-2019, 12:08 PM
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Envious? No not at all, I can go anytime I want. Already made a trip in January and caught 4, filled several peoples freezers. I've been fishing for 22 years and have seen first hand the effects of overfishing and poor management. We used to run to the ram Powell for afternoon trips and were guaranteed 3-4 yellowfins and home by 9 o'clock. I caught 2 ALL last summer and spent countless hours drifting around green canyon. No question the fishery is getting worse and worse every season. If you don't believe me you are a rookie and haven't been doing this long enough. Ask any of the charter guys out of Venice what their thoughts are. Most have said screw the limits, were going to keep a few fish from now on and save some for the next day. Jeepman they are within their limits because there is not a limit. With that mentality kill them all and it'll be ok bc its within the limits... Leave some for the generations to come. If I am getting bad JuJu for trying to conserve for the next guy then so be it.
Wow, a whole 22 years...... and guaranteed yellowfin

sounds awesome, but yellowfin have limits and you are bitching about wahoo. Since we are only hearing your side of the story, unknown how many people were on the boat. But we do know it was a Contender..... so how many people were on the boat? Because sounds like you are wanting a boat limit, or a personal limit of around 1 (one) per person.

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Old 02-05-2019, 12:19 PM
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Envious? No not at all, I can go anytime I want. Already made a trip in January and caught 4, filled several peoples freezers. I've been fishing for 22 years and have seen first hand the effects of overfishing and poor management. We used to run to the ram Powell for afternoon trips and were guaranteed 3-4 yellowfins and home by 9 o'clock. I caught 2 ALL last summer and spent countless hours drifting around green canyon. No question the fishery is getting worse and worse every season. If you don't believe me you are a rookie and haven't been doing this long enough. Ask any of the charter guys out of Venice what their thoughts are. Most have said screw the limits, were going to keep a few fish from now on and save some for the next day. Jeepman they are within their limits because there is not a limit. With that mentality kill them all and it'll be ok bc its within the limits... Leave some for the generations to come. If I am getting bad JuJu for trying to conserve for the next guy then so be it.
I couldn't agree more, and I have voiced my opinion on this numerous times on this forum. I think it's largely unethical to kill an obscene amount of anything "just because it's legal". YFT fishing has been terrible for a couple of years, and in my mind it's due to over harvest. There is no reason to kill 5 150lb tuna for a photo op.
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Old 02-05-2019, 12:43 PM
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The tuna was simply giving an example of what can happen. No reason to hear the other side I'm not asking for that, one boat killed 19 wahoo that's all I need to hear. Not asking for a boat limit, would rather people just act responsibly so we can sustain what I think is the best fishery in North America. But since you brought it up, how many years have you been offshore fishing? If you were truly out there 22 years ago you would know how easy it was.
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The tuna was simply giving an example of what can happen. No reason to hear the other side I'm not asking for that, one boat killed 19 wahoo that's all I need to hear. Not asking for a boat limit, would rather people just act responsibly so we can sustain what I think is the best fishery in North America. But since you brought it up, how many years have you been offshore fishing? If you were truly out there 22 years ago you would know how easy it was.
Oddly enough just talked to friends about the time we fished the midnight lump on superbowl sunday 19 years ago. Go figure, it was not easy that day, joke was getting our ass handed to us back then was better then the game we were watching. First time I "deep dropped" was that day, old Penn 12/0 with a windshield wiper motor on it. At the time we thought it was deep, now we fish over twice that deep.

You did not answer the question of how many people were on the Contender? Makes me feel old, but 30 years offshore fishing, maybe a few more.

I would suggest instead of bitching and attacking your fellow fishermen, ask what other REC fishermen feel would be fair limits for the species in question. Collect some data from REC fishermen then approach your state regulatory agenciancy with said data. Put it in the hands of the experts and let them decide if the changes are needed. If so they can change the limits in state waters, this by default sets the Federal water limit to the state water limit. This is the best way, and has been done in the past for several different species.
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Old 02-05-2019, 01:15 PM
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As a whole, I think most people think the same way as you. But there are a handful of greedy ones. I know a couple guys that fish mangroves 5 days a week for the whole summer and limit out on them probably 90% of the time. They brag that they catch so many that they ride down the road giving them away and then go back and catch more. Makes me sick. I dont see anything wrong with the average person catching there limit. The limits are there for a reason. But to have so much fish that you dont know what to do with it. I think it become a bit greedy.
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Old 02-05-2019, 01:35 PM
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Jeepman I don't know what to tell you I guess we have different opinions. I feel that we as fisherman should be responsible regardless of what the law is, you think the law says its ok that must make it ok. Guess we probably wouldn't agree on politics either. Obviously I wasn't out there so I haven't a clue as to who or how many people were on the boat. I simply asked why they couldn't have moved on to another species? I think we as fisherman should hold each other accountable. Waiting on the state to act is too full of politics. We change each others mindsets/opinions (which is what is happening to a lot of charter fisherman) then we will get somewhere. Im really not trying to bash another fisherman, just trying to explain that there will be a day where 19 will be an impossible number to catch because they won't be there. I've seen it first hand. If you can say the tuna fishery is anywhere near as good as it used to be, then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe you were in the wrong spot?
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just a heard a report of a contender killing 19 wahoos today. Congratulations, but why couldn't you have kept 5-8 and moved on to another species? This is just like killing 20 yellowfin a trip. I've heard of at least 3 other boats doing this same thing this year. In 5 years we are going to be wondering where the wahoo are at. They won't be at the reef anymore you can bank on that. We are ruining every good fishing spot we have by overfishing. I don't have a problem with 30 boats on a spot everybody is entitled to fish, but killing every fish you catch is what is wrong with this picture.
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Jeepman I don't know what to tell you I guess we have different opinions. I feel that we as fisherman should be responsible regardless of what the law is, you think the law says its ok that must make it ok. Guess we probably wouldn't agree on politics either. Obviously I wasn't out there so I haven't a clue as to who or how many people were on the boat. I simply asked why they couldn't have moved on to another species? I think we as fisherman should hold each other accountable. Waiting on the state to act is too full of politics. We change each others mindsets/opinions (which is what is happening to a lot of charter fisherman) then we will get somewhere. Im really not trying to bash another fisherman, just trying to explain that there will be a day where 19 will be an impossible number to catch because they won't be there. I've seen it first hand. If you can say the tuna fishery is anywhere near as good as it used to be, then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe you were in the wrong spot?
We do not have a difference of opinion, you seem to assume a lot. Attacking fellow fishermen does not advance your cause. Gave you the playbook to make it happen, either you follow it or don't.

Also does not help your cause when you can tell us it is a contender, but not how many people were on the boat. Why even mention it was a Contender? Makes it feel like a EDF post, and if the snapper wars have taught REC fishermen anything is that we have to work together and attacking each other solves nothing.
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My bad dude. We gonna eat them all.
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interesting...........I just listened to a podcast with Jim Posewitz about hunting and how the commercialization of recreational hunting and fishing has impacted just what we may (??) be seeing here.
When I was in my 20's, all I fished for was "limits"...............be it trout, bass, redfish, red snapper, tuna, sacalait...........whatever..................today , after almost 40 years, I am good with cleaning five trout to eat on TWICE and a few good experiences in the out doors.

They be younger guys, trying to prove that paying for the envious contender was the right thing to do.....................
As we each evolve at our own rate as outdoors men and women, our idea of what drives us is different.

We should hope these guys you speak of reach that threshold where limits are secondary soon.
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Do you have a contender or something, or how did I piss in your cheerios? Not sure what your fascination with the boat is, that's how the story was told. Maybe it's a complete myth, but I doubt it. Maybe there was 19 people in the boat, but I doubt it. I used the story as an example to show we are overfishing the gulf right before our own eyes. The snapper wars taught me that tighter regulation is not always the right answer. If we are proactive about an issue then tighter regulation is never needed. Sorry for attacking a fellow fisherman, just trying to get people to wake up and see what is going on. Going to the state for tighter laws needs to be the last resort option, so yea we do have a difference of opinions. If my post urges one person to stop at 8 fish next time because that's all they need then I did my job. Not sure about your EDF comment, but I'm anything but a tree hugger. If only you knew what I did for a living! Once again, I've seen issues over 22 years and feel we as fisherman need to change our mentality. Just because we can kill blue marlin for the heck of it doesn't mean it's responsible. (No Im not talking about tournaments)
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Wdkerek, I agree with that and would be lying If I said I haven't done the same thing. Just think because our technology is so much better, we are going to have to be more responsible in today's society. Not everybody is going to abide. When you can run a center console 170 nm SW from Fourchon and run into another center console, times have certainly changed. And yes that did happen. Knew I was going to get sticks thrown at for posting this today, but that's ok not everybody is going to agree. My opinion has certainly changed on the issue over 22 years, so why shouldn't I be able to tell the new guys what I have experienced and what it used to be like?
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Do you have a contender or something, or how did I piss in your cheerios? Not sure what your fascination with the boat is, that's how the story was told. Maybe it's a complete myth, but I doubt it. Maybe there was 19 people in the boat, but I doubt it. I used the story as an example to show we are overfishing the gulf right before our own eyes. The snapper wars taught me that tighter regulation is not always the right answer. If we are proactive about an issue then tighter regulation is never needed. Sorry for attacking a fellow fisherman, just trying to get people to wake up and see what is going on. Going to the state for tighter laws needs to be the last resort option, so yea we do have a difference of opinions. If my post urges one person to stop at 8 fish next time because that's all they need then I did my job. Not sure about your EDF comment, but I'm anything but a tree hugger. If only you knew what I did for a living! Once again, I've seen issues over 22 years and feel we as fisherman need to change our mentality. Just because we can kill blue marlin for the heck of it doesn't mean it's responsible. (No Im not talking about tournaments)
Do not own a contender, not pissed about anything. Saw pics of a Freeman this week with 15 wahoo, but that would not make as good of a story, to many people like Freeman. If you are a Democrat we would not agree on politics. Thought you wanted to actually do something about what you feel is over fishing, but guess not.

In Texas REC fishermen have a very open line of communication with TPWD about limits, seasons, etc... In fact there have been many times REC anglers have voted about deceasing limits on fish, and even keeping bull redfish to only two per year instead of one a day. Doing exactly what you are talking about REC fishermen asking TPWD to lower limits. REC fishermen voted on our Red Snapper Season this year with TPWD. They actually do a wonderful job on the state level listening to fishermen. So what you are talking about is done, and best done on the state level.

I would be good with a 4 per person out of Texas, our runs are LONG to wahoo. My run is 130 miles one way, so not as much pressure out of Texas as most other states.
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