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Old 02-12-2019, 09:39 AM
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Old 02-12-2019, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by dxs217 View Post
Sooo, you think this thread is more damaging than a pic of 22 Wahoo from one boat that is all over social media? Doubt it...
hahahaha on cue......where did I say that? Like I said THT loves to put words in people mouths case in point hahaha. I fully agree the picture is just as bad or worse....doesnt mean this thread is better or necessary. It is all just bringing attention where it is not needed.
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Old 02-12-2019, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by jvalhenson View Post
hahahaha on cue......where did I say that? Like I said THT loves to put words in people mouths case in point hahaha. I fully agree the picture is just as bad or worse....doesnt mean this thread is better or necessary. It is all just bringing attention where it is not needed.
Simmerdown, don't be Tunnles.

I asked a question b/c your post made no mention of the damage done by the Wahoo pic in social media. Your post only mentioned the potential threat of this thread, which, I believe, will not be nearly as damaging as the pic in social media. Otherwise, I agree with your concerns.
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Old 02-12-2019, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by dxs217 View Post
Simmerdown, don't be Tunnles.

I asked a question b/c your post made no mention of the damage done by the Wahoo pic in social media. Your post only mentioned the potential threat of this thread, which, I believe, will not be nearly as damaging as the pic in social media. Otherwise, I agree with your concerns.
no need to simmer.....you can bet I ain't excited about anything anyone posts online...it is just hilarious even after I said in first post about THT putting words in peoples mouths.....immediately someone(in this case you) did it. I used to post pics etc but rarely do any more for that very reason that I see no reason to broadcast it other than "hey look at me" which I could not care less about doing. I only talked about this thread bc....uh....well.....we are in this thread in which the pic was added to it. I did not add the pic to it. I never even saw the pic UNTIL this thread. So there again all this thread is doing is bringing unnecessary attention to that picture and probably others too. Yet.....here we are.....now talking about which is worse the pic or the thread pointing to the pic. I would say they are both equally idiotic.
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Old 02-12-2019, 10:30 AM
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So guides and headboats blasting social media with dock shots is OK?? just the REC's that can not do it?
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Old 02-12-2019, 10:47 AM
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A picture of 22 wahoo is apparently a rorschach inkblot test. I see it and think, "man, 5 yahoos just like me can pound a case of beer and nail a pile of wahoo - there must be a shit-ton of wahoo out there." EDF DB candidates look at it and piss their pants going, "we're killing all the wahoo, I demand everyone's liberty be stripped and we lock down wahoo fishing before it's too late!" That picture says more about people's inability to think critically than it does anything at all about fish stocks. And still the question remains, anyone got a valid study that wahoo are overfished or undergoing overfishing?....of course not, just more tears and histrionics...
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Old 02-12-2019, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeepman View Post
So guides and headboats blasting social media with dock shots is OK?? just the REC's that can not do it?
who said that? Or is that just more of the good ol THT putting words where they never were hahahahaha? But to answer it like I already said(if that was to me) I think the pics are just as bad....again like I already said. Dont care who is posting the pics opinion is the same it is all stupid and does nothing but lead to more regulation whether it is needed or not. Again I was guilty of posting pics of piles of fish of both inshore and offshore variety too and have since stopped for the most part bc I started to realize nothing good at all could come from it but plenty negative sure as heck can.
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by jvalhenson View Post
no need to simmer.....you can bet I ain't excited about anything anyone posts online...it is just hilarious even after I said in first post about THT putting words in peoples mouths.....immediately someone(in this case you) did it. I used to post pics etc but rarely do any more for that very reason that I see no reason to broadcast it other than "hey look at me" which I could not care less about doing. I only talked about this thread bc....uh....well.....we are in this thread in which the pic was added to it. I did not add the pic to it. I never even saw the pic UNTIL this thread. So there again all this thread is doing is bringing unnecessary attention to that picture and probably others too. Yet.....here we are.....now talking about which is worse the pic or the thread pointing to the pic. I would say they are both equally idiotic.
No one put words into your mouth. I asked a question because your initial post did not address the social media pic (which is the main topic of this thread; self-regulation).

Your initial post read like you were only opposed to this thread and how it will draw attention, which may be used against us. It was open ended. This is a forum, if you don't want people to comment and/or question your posts, don't post.

All you had to do was respond to my post with something like..."no the pic is just as bad as the thread, I should have been more clear. My point is that we need to stop begging for more regulation and exhibit some self-control both on the water and in social media."

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Old 02-12-2019, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by dxs217 View Post
No one put words into your mouth. I asked a question because your initial post did not address the social media pic (which is the main topic of this thread; self-regulation).

Your initial post read like you were only opposed to this thread and how it will draw attention, which may be used against us. It was open ended. This is a forum, if you don't want people to comment and/or question your posts, don't post.

All you had to do was respond to my post with something like..."no the pic is just as bad as the thread, I should have been more clear. My point is that we need to stop begging for more regulation and exhibit some self-control both on the water and in social media."

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This is a forum, if you don't want people to comment and/or question your posts, don't post.

sounds like you really need to take you own advice hahahahahaha this is hilarious.
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by jvalhenson View Post
This is a forum, if you don't want people to comment and/or question your posts, don't post.

sounds like you really need to take you own advice hahahahahaha this is hilarious.
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by jvalhenson View Post
who said that? Or is that just more of the good ol THT putting words where they never were hahahahaha? But to answer it like I already said(if that was to me) I think the pics are just as bad....again like I already said. Dont care who is posting the pics opinion is the same it is all stupid and does nothing but lead to more regulation whether it is needed or not. Again I was guilty of posting pics of piles of fish of both inshore and offshore variety too and have since stopped for the most part bc I started to realize nothing good at all could come from it but plenty negative sure as heck can.
it was a question, did not quote anyone so was not picking any single person out. Not sure how asking a question is putting words into anyone's mouth.

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Old 02-12-2019, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeepman View Post
it was a question, did not quote anyone so was not picking any single person out. Not sure how asking a question is putting words into anyone's mouth.
like i said "if that was directed at me" if not no big deal answered the question either way...both equally stupid be it recreational or charter etc
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:15 AM
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I have been fishing these water for 35 years(not as long as some but certainly longer than many) and IMO there is no problem at all with the wahoo stock.....and that is all any of this is just individual opinions not a single person who has posted has an opinion that is worth more than anyone else's. As you said we don't "know." So you want to start putting some IMO unnecessary limits/seasons/whatever for this imaginary thing that might maybe one day exist? Sorry.....I will never agree to that bc it is utter nonsense. Decisions should be made based on actaul real research and tangible numbers not arbitrary opinions of people who may or may not have their own agenda or motives. All I was saying is putting out threads like this is just bringing unnecessary attention to a "problem" that in my opinion does not exist. The weather itself is IMO enough of a limiting factor to keep recreational hook and line anglers from hurting the wahoo. That plus it is well known that wahoo mature very quickly and are highly reproductive...due to limited available fishing days and their high reproductivity and growth rates IMO they are simply not anywhere near being overfished. This thread is not going to stop a guy from catching and keeping 20 wahoo. Just another topic where each side is not going to change the other sides mind....but what it might do is bring enough attention to it the feds that they see an opportunity to get involved where they are not needed. And we all know how great the feds are with "management." But I know how THT loves to twist words and put words in folks mouths(not you in particular just in general) so I am sure that trend will continue. But go ahead keep this stuff up and we all be enjoying a 1 wahoo per boat limit and a 10 day season on them soon enough if the feds get involved based on their wonderful management history.

copy and pasted part from oceana.org regarding wahoo growth etc for the "where's your facts" crowd while they produce none themselves ha:
Wahoo reproduce several times within a spawning season, and females produce several million eggs each year. This species is fast growing and reaches sexual maturity in its first year.

anyways....like i said...all my opinion yall are of course welcome to yours....I suspect the whole point of all this is hoping to get some fed intervention anyways so all I can say is I hope that goal fails.
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Thanks for the well thought out and informative post. I did not know that about Wahoo reproduction. The feel I get from reading is that most of us want to avoid federal intervention. Some of us feel like a degree of restraint in the absence of bag limits is the best conservation tool we can employ to keep the feds out.
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:23 AM
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Thanks for the well thought out and informative post. I did not know that about Wahoo reproduction. The feel I get from reading is that most of us want to avoid federal intervention. Some of us feel like a degree of restraint in the absence of bag limits is the best conservation tool we can employ to keep the feds out.
i agree with that completely......but making threads pointing out what this boat or that boat did and spreading those pics even further...like I said I never saw the pics until this thread and I am sure others did as well(not saying plenty folks didnt see the original posting too)........is just making it all worse and extremely counterproductive in that regard as all it is doing is shining an even brighter light on already poor choice to post those pics.
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:34 AM
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Let me ask you wahoo "sky is falling" folks one question.

1. How many people do you personally know that have caught 20+ wahoo in one trip?
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Old 02-12-2019, 02:23 PM
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7 in the last 30 days, why?

But Stephen, I don't think the sky is falling. I actually agree with almost everyone in this post. No we do not need to broadcast it on this site, yes we should practice restraint, no I don't want fed intervention, no I don't particularly care for 1 boat catching more than 2 wahoo per person.....BUT.....plenty of my good friends have done it and maybe I would too if it were on someone elses boat where it aint my say.

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I don't understand why some fisherman on this thread are talking down to others about people being "envious" and say dumb stuff like "the sky if falling" in response to a pretty reasonable stance the OP has taken. You would think everyone on here partaking in this conversation would be a fisherman and a conservationist if they have any sense at all so they can "conserve" the fishery that they enjoy using. I agree with the OP and I see it all the time all summer long with guys loading the boat with 100 plus speckled trout in orange beach. If you dont think people can out fish a spot or even an area and ruin it, you are wrong. I've have seen it in Orange Beach with my own eyes over 30 years. It is simply waste. Waste of a resource we all enjoy. It comes down to a simple bit of self reflection in how to handle something. In this case, sure you can go out and load down your boat each trip but you reap what you sow and don't be mad if it ever gets to the point its regulated or the fish are sparse. Sitting here calling one of our own jealous or chicken little is exactly the kind of small minded-ness that we dont need. In case all of you aren't aware, we are under assault from both the government and the commercial sector. Both want to limit what we can catch and how much of it. I am all for reasonable regulations but to needlessly add to the taking from the resource does nothing positive to the situation we find ourselves in, regardless of species. Each year the bottom fishing has gotten more and more regulated. If you dont think they will do that to pelagic species, you are out of your mind. The cobia fishing is trash now along the beach compared to yesteryear since everyone goes out in tournaments trying to kill as many as possible. Practicing a little self -restraint in the bag limit department and not posting pictures of a large number of dead fish on the internet are two ways we can help ourselves. Talking to other fisherman when you go about bag limits or talking to another boat when you see them like these guys did and saying "man, great trip. Hopefully you all are aware of the perception you are putting out there with these fish and coming back in like this. I'd hate for it to have an adverse affect on us by someone seeing it and using it as propaganda to limit us" are ways we can help police ourselves. With the advances in technology in electronics, safety, and boat size/speed, more and more people are going further and further and putting more and more pressure on the fish. We don't need to be doing anything to help the otherside's case that we can't police ourselves and need their oversight.
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I am all for reasonable regulations but to needlessly add to the taking from the resource does nothing positive to the situation we find ourselves in, regardless of species.
This is where I fundamentally disagree. Catching 20 Wahoo isn't a regular thing for anyone other than maybe a few guides I know and possibly JJ Tabor. And if they were all eaten and not thrown into the canal at the dock I don't consider it wasted.

Two people catching double digit numbers in a fishery with basically a two-month window to do and no known stock issues isn't something that I see as a huge strain on the resource.

We can agree to disagree. And you can take exception to the chicken little reference, but, the name "Chicken Little" — and the fable's central phrase, The sky is falling! — have been applied to people accused of being unreasonably afraid, or those trying to incite an unreasonable fear in those around them for a millennium.[1]

Without facts to prove otherwise, you can't say a handful of boats catching 20 wahoo will be the end of the fishery. Period.

PS: Those really are Barracuda on NOAA's Wahoo page I linked above. That's who's going to be regulating this if the alarm is sounded loud enough.
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This is where I fundamentally disagree. Catching 20 Wahoo isn't a regular thing for anyone other than maybe a few guides I know and possibly JJ Tabor. And if they were all eaten and not thrown into the canal at the dock I don't consider it wasted.

Two people catching double digit numbers in a fishery with basically a two-month window to do and no known stock issues isn't something that I see as a huge strain on the resource.

We can agree to disagree. And you can take exception to the chicken little reference, but, the name "Chicken Little" — and the fable's central phrase, The sky is falling! — have been applied to people accused of being unreasonably afraid, or those trying to incite an unreasonable fear in those around them for a millennium.[1]

Without facts to prove otherwise, you can't say a handful of boats catching 20 wahoo will be the end of the fishery. Period.

PS: Those really are Barracuda on NOAA's Wahoo page I linked above. That's who's going to be regulating this if the alarm is sounded loud enough.
2 that YOU know of. 7 that I know of. Let's assume that's seperate boats....so 9 x's 20... plus the ones we dont know about...and from what I know, JJ was not one of the boats in question. Question for yall, If I go out next trip and catch 37 wahoo and give them all away to be eaten. Would any of you see a problem with that...assuming none goes to waste?
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2 that YOU know of. 7 that I know of. Let's assume that's seperate boats....so 9 x's 20... plus the ones we dont know about...and from what I know, JJ was not one of the boats in question. Question for yall, If I go out next trip and catch 37 wahoo and give them all away to be eaten. Would any of you see a problem with that...assuming none goes to waste?
If I didn't get any of it, I'd unfriend you and start a damn thread.
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