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Old 02-06-2019, 12:05 PM
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The pics are out there.....you just need to be two cool about it.......
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Old 02-06-2019, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by wiggreb View Post
19 wahoo hit the dock from one boat and nobody has a pic? shesh
19? Hell no! 22 and a half...


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Old 02-06-2019, 12:11 PM
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Old 02-06-2019, 12:12 PM
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I guess they couldn't figure out which 3 to weigh in
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Old 02-06-2019, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by GCC View Post
The ones opposing regulation on them will be the first ones screaming at NOAA for regulating them. I seem to remember a pic a few years back of a small boat in Louisiana that had the decks covered in triple tail, and it was shortly after that was posted that the regulations on the species came rolling down and I personally am happy that it did. Regulations catch a bad rap but Id rather have regulations than no fish. Now with all that being said, I do believe the regulations need to be within reason and make sense based on accurate, scientific stock assessments and NOT stem from political agendas. The daily limit on my boat for YFT is 1-2 per person or less depending on size even though the legal limit is 3 per person per day. No one needs more tuna than that at a time and if you don't like it you can stay at the dock. I can also tell you that I'll never pack the fish box with an unregulated species such as wahoo, even though IMO it makes the best sushi and grilled fish, its just stupid. To the poster that mentioned the Venice guys setting lower limits on YFT, yes some do but there are still some who will get their customers limit plus the crew limit to make the customer happier. What those guys arent realizing is that when there is no more of an abundance of tuna, there will be no more customers. In this day and age with the boats, gear and electronics that we have at our disposal I firmly believe it has an adverse effect on species population. If you were to eliminate just GPS alone and imagine only having LORAN-C, there would be a lot more "clean ice" coming back to the docks...
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This is very, very real, those that never ran out on heading and speed to find your snapper hole probably can't understand. 30 Years ago only a rich man would have a 25 Mako with loopers and getting out 40 miles was a once a year event for most - and now everyone and their grandma has a big fast boat with electronics that increases opportunity/success several magnitudes. I am a 25 - 50 mile snapper/kingfish guy myself and success these days means leaving the jetties early before the parking lot fills up. Yeah we need to police ourselves.
Not only that but we've already removed the mangroves and estuaries where these fish come from. So not only are we more advanced and better at catching but the supply side is worse as well. Math doesn't add up.

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Lots of great views here. It is pretty simple guys. If we don't regulate ourselves, someone else will. I agree GCC there's just no need for that much meat. And MayhemFT spot on. I know it was hard to start this thread Cuttem but thanks for taking one for the team. Everyone needs to be reminded to be good sportsmen, both on land and offshore. And some need a wave slapped across the bow to be reminded.
Agreed, I don't see the problem here. Self regulating is a good thing. Once it's in the hands of the feds who knows what kind of questionable decision making will come into play.

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Some people have more friends than you that love fresh fish and shouldn't be punished for that.
Assuming you're correct that these people are eating fresh fish then that's a fair enough statement. I just don't understand the logic that we need to put undue pressure on our playgrounds in order to save our friends $9 at the supermarket. If they want the fish tell them to come aboard. Plus I would venture to bet that the majority of these people just toss the fish in the freezer until it goes bad and is eventually tossed. And what about the guys that are catching all these fish and not eating them? Last season at OBB I ran into a group of kids from GA. They had hired a guide that was using bleach to get lobsters out of their holes. I asked what they planned on doing with the 80+ lobster they had laying on the dock for instagram pics and they said they were leaving them for whomever wanted them because they were flying out the next day and couldn't bring the lobsters with them. It was right around then that I realized that sportfishing was ****ed for future generations.

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Thanks, here as of late starting to wonder if I still know how to fish, been to long but was a great hunting season !!!
I agree with Cuttem, just do not agree with his methods. Attacking fellow fishermen is not the correct way to go about it. And once again will point out this needs to be taken up on the STATE LEVEL. Not sure why anyone is bringing NOAA into this.

Lets be frank about this, asking REC fishermen or attacking them on social media to lower limits themselves will not work. So there will be endless bitching and moaning about people taking to many fish unless the state steps in and changes the regulations.
A republican asking for more regulations and government? You sure you're ok bro?

Plus I don't see it as an attack, just questioning if it was necessary and asking for a discussion.

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Because it would be illegal. I'm not sure how that's analogous to what's being discussed in this thread.

In this thread:
  • Someone caught a lot of fish;
  • Someone else isn't happy about it and wants that to stop;
  • Others agree; and
  • Others think there needs to be a law against catching fish legally.
I would caution you guys against attacking fishermen for catching fish that are legal to catch.

The feds apparently want to shut down every fishery we have already. Additionally, the fisheries the feds manage in the Gulf are managed terribly.

You guys need to be careful what you wish for. I feel certain someone 15-years ago posted that they saw someone with a legal limit of snapper and that nobody needs that much meat.
Are you guys arguing the same thing? He's pretty much saying we need to self regulate before the feds do it for us. Maybe if we didn't keep that legal limit of snapper 15 years ago we wouldn't be so restricted today.
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I guess they couldn't figure out which 3 to weigh in
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Old 02-06-2019, 12:59 PM
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The OP pointed out one picture in particular. If you add up the several others that have popped up on message boards, FB, IG, etc over the past month and the boats not posting for the world to see... there are quite a few boats toting 15-20+ wahoo back to the dock.

Yes these fisheries have been going on for a while and clearly there are still fish. But there is no denying that more people are starting to get into it. Anyone who has ever put a half dozen good wahoo on ice knows that this is either pure gluttony or offsetting boat payments. Its just not good for the overall health of the resource. Wahoo are not kingfish or ARS. In my personal experience, fishing way east of any oil rigs, I have been catching less wahoo over the past decade. This coincides with a decrease in the winter tuna fishery off LA and more boats targeting wahoo to make up from slower tuna fishing. I also believe the lack of weed / weed carrying currents over the past few years is a factor.

Strong take: The winter wahoo fishery off LA/Tex is headed the way of the Emerald coast spring cobia fishery.
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Old 02-06-2019, 02:01 PM
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I saw a pic of a boat from yesterday with 19. but it wasn't a contender.
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Old 02-06-2019, 02:27 PM
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A republican asking for more regulations and government? You sure you're ok bro?

All good, but think you may have mixed up Republicans with Libertarian.

Reps are all about some regulation and government. Can take the hot button topics from now with immigration or Tariffs. Reps want to regulate the hell out of them. Or you can look in the past when Reps knew something was the right thing to do and pushed thru all kinds of regulation for the Civil rights movement, with strong opposition from the Democrats. Republicans believe in smaller FED government and more state powers to govern. So not sure what you think Republicans stand for, but they damn sure will use government and regulations to make things they way they should be.

Brings us back on topic. That is why it took a Republican president, with majority from Republicans to change the snapper regulations. All fishing regulations need to be done on the state level, the one size fits all does not work.


I do agree 100% that heavy rains the last few years have pushed the weed out and hurt both the wahoo fishing and Tuna fishing. We had couple months with good water last year, and the fishing was great for everything, Ling for sure, until the heavy rains came again. Out of Texas Wahoo fishing and tuna fishing are separate, going to wahoo fish in the day and Tuna fish at night. So more Wahoo being caught is not a sign of slow tuna fishing.


The pics you are seeing of the 15-20 wahoo out of Texas has been happening every late winter and early spring since I can recall. The only thing that has changed is now you see the pics, 20 years ago you did not. Spring time wahoo fishing has been going on for a long time, and the spots are well known and easy to find out of Texas. What has changed is social media showing you the pics and more CCs. But there are WAY less Sportys out there now days after wahoo.

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nope. convertible called money shot.
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Old 02-06-2019, 06:44 PM
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Just getting caught back up but like I said I wasn't there don't know if we are talking about the same boat or even the same reef and really wasn't my point and not trying to throw stones at a fellow fisherman. Could have been the guy with 22 I don't know but the same point applies. Just simply wanted to bring up the fact that we are going to have to self regulate if we don't want over regulation. I like fishing as much as anybody on this board, and would like to ensure that I can one day have the same success with my kids.

As to the technology comment, it is getting ridiculous. Im sure it's been posted but several tournament boats have telescopic sonar allowing them to chase down a particular blue marlin. Needless to say I'm not going to be wasting money in tournaments against them.
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If the same dudes with 22 and a head of wahoo were flashing up their commercial pelagic permit in the picture would there be any more or less emotion about the picture?

If yes, then you have no business entering into decisions of fishery management. I am a conservationist - I don't take more than I eat either. I want the stocks healthy. But I have a brain too. My brain tells me that unless and until you produce well-grounded science that the stock was assessed right, that the effort and catch is assessed right, and the effort and catch is overfishing the stock, then any reaction to dudes having a good day on the water is no different than acting like one of those knee-jerk liberals on the Gulf Council that f'ed up snapper fishing so bad that until the Donald crashed the party, we were on track for a full 3 days of snapper fishing across the entire gulf coast.

Facts and evidence, not tears and histrionics.
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Old 02-07-2019, 12:22 PM
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nope. convertible called money shot.
convertible or Cabo express out of Grand Isle
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Old 02-10-2019, 10:17 AM
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I think of all the original post was stating was quit being a dirtbag and overfishing if you catch 15 dolphin keep to 2 simple very simple math If you catch 25 wahoo keep one maybe keep to let's keep off shore alive I'm the best fisherman in Florida in this is what I believe
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If the average weight per Wahoo was 40 pounds you are talking about a gross weight of 880 pounds. That seems excessive to me but I don't make the laws. I would agree the pictures getting plastered all over the internet isn't doing fellow recs any good. Got into the skinnies pretty good out of Venice some years ago and the captain asked that we stop at 2 fish per person which we happily agreed to. Everyone I knew was eating Wahoo for quite awhile.
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The problem with this whole discussion is if you guys keep pushing this solution in search of a problem, you risk having the same brain trust managing the Wahoo fishery that thinks the barracuda on this page are the Wahoo they're supposed to be managing.

Fact. Jack.
no kidding. all this is doing is drawing attention to a problem that doesn't exist. feds will be here shortly to "fix" the imaginary issues.
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no kidding. all this is doing is drawing attention to a problem that doesn't exist. feds will be here shortly to "fix" the imaginary issues.
We don't know that we don't have a problem with diminishing wahoo stocks. Would we be better off waiting for a problem to arise or practicing conservation to prevent the problem from arising?
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We don't know that we don't have a problem with diminishing wahoo stocks. Would we be better off waiting for a problem to arise or practicing conservation to prevent the problem from arising?
I have been fishing these water for 35 years(not as long as some but certainly longer than many) and IMO there is no problem at all with the wahoo stock.....and that is all any of this is just individual opinions not a single person who has posted has an opinion that is worth more than anyone else's. As you said we don't "know." So you want to start putting some IMO unnecessary limits/seasons/whatever for this imaginary thing that might maybe one day exist? Sorry.....I will never agree to that bc it is utter nonsense. Decisions should be made based on actaul real research and tangible numbers not arbitrary opinions of people who may or may not have their own agenda or motives. All I was saying is putting out threads like this is just bringing unnecessary attention to a "problem" that in my opinion does not exist. The weather itself is IMO enough of a limiting factor to keep recreational hook and line anglers from hurting the wahoo. That plus it is well known that wahoo mature very quickly and are highly reproductive...due to limited available fishing days and their high reproductivity and growth rates IMO they are simply not anywhere near being overfished. This thread is not going to stop a guy from catching and keeping 20 wahoo. Just another topic where each side is not going to change the other sides mind....but what it might do is bring enough attention to it the feds that they see an opportunity to get involved where they are not needed. And we all know how great the feds are with "management." But I know how THT loves to twist words and put words in folks mouths(not you in particular just in general) so I am sure that trend will continue. But go ahead keep this stuff up and we all be enjoying a 1 wahoo per boat limit and a 10 day season on them soon enough if the feds get involved based on their wonderful management history.

copy and pasted part from oceana.org regarding wahoo growth etc for the "where's your facts" crowd while they produce none themselves ha:
Wahoo reproduce several times within a spawning season, and females produce several million eggs each year. This species is fast growing and reaches sexual maturity in its first year.

anyways....like i said...all my opinion yall are of course welcome to yours....I suspect the whole point of all this is hoping to get some fed intervention anyways so all I can say is I hope that goal fails.
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But go ahead keep this stuff up and we all be enjoying a 1 wahoo per boat limit and a 10 day season on them soon enough if the feds get involved based on their wonderful management history.
Sooo, you think this thread is more damaging than a pic of 22 Wahoo from one boat that is all over social media? Doubt it...
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