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Old 02-05-2019, 03:47 PM
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Listen to podcast 44 of "the hunting collective"

I for one do not feel you can hurt a fishery with just a rod and reel if you stay within the law. I do feel game, regardless if it has gills are not, knows all too well that we are targeting them. They change to elude us. Where you have caught fish for years may not produce as well because that AREA has pressure. But the population is healthy. At least much better than the generations before us. We are living in the best times in fish and wildlife conservation in maybe 80-100 years.

I understand the frustration. Really do. But redirect that to passion and teach the younger generations about WHY they have the chance to catch limits, kill limits and generally harvest any game.

It's because of conservation.
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Old 02-05-2019, 03:50 PM
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Sounds like commercial fishing to me
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Old 02-05-2019, 04:52 PM
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Will have to give it a listen, think there are many things we can all learn about conservation. Not a democrat, am quite the opposite.
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Old 02-05-2019, 06:18 PM
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2017 was one of the best years for tuna Venice has had. There were lots of YF at every rig on the shelf and offshore. I think this has more to do with currents / conditions than over fishing. I also agree that there should be personal limits that may be below what the law states. There is no point I putting Tons of fish in a freezer just to let it ruin.
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Old 02-05-2019, 06:32 PM
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Wildlife, including fish, cycle. They go through good times and bad for any one of hundreds of reasons. We used to hunt rabbits on a number of farms; some years they were friggin' everywhere and we would limit out quickly. Some years there were nearly none. Most of the time we were the only people even hunting so the rabbits weren't hunted out, they just cycled. Wahoo aren't hugging a reef, they're all around. I see absolutely zero chance they're over-fished. Now snapper, etc on a close-in reef, sure. But even if they are over-fished, they'll repopulate if left alone long enough. But go offshore far enough, and they turn into pests. But you'll always have the short-sighted chicken little people screaming crap.... it's very frustrating.
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Old 02-05-2019, 06:38 PM
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I can remember people being mad when they put a limit of 10 per person on dolphin.
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Old 02-05-2019, 06:39 PM
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My bad dude. We gonna eat them all.
Dang bro we only got 14. You done outdid us.

Well, it was 13.5 actually sharks gotta eat too.
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Old 02-05-2019, 06:55 PM
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When I first began federal fisheries enforcement back in about 1990. I thought there should be a limits placed on most species. I would see boats come in with 50 triggerfish, dozens of lane and vermillions, you get the picture. Those species went largely unregulated, while seasons on the regulated fish got more and more restrictive. That in turn put more pressure on the unregulated species. Now just look at all the restrictions on previously unregulated species. How long was the triggerfish season last year?

I have no doubt we'll find ourselves with tighter restrictions or new restrictions over time. It'll be fun blaming NOAA won't it?
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Old 02-05-2019, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard View Post
When I first began federal fisheries enforcement back in about 1990. I thought there should be a limits placed on most species. I would see boats come in with 50 triggerfish, dozens of lane and vermillions, you get the picture. Those species went largely unregulated, while seasons on the regulated fish got more and more restrictive. That in turn put more pressure on the unregulated species. Now just look at all the restrictions on previously unregulated species. How long was the triggerfish season last year?

I have no doubt we'll find ourselves with tighter restrictions or new restrictions over time. It'll be fun blaming NOAA won't it?
speckled trout used to be measured in "boxes" or "ice chests"

there was no limits back in the day on a lot of things
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Old 02-05-2019, 07:39 PM
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Wahoo aren't hugging a reef, they're all around. I see absolutely zero chance they're over-fished.
You're completely wrong and completely right. Wahoo migrate and congregate in certain areas at certain times of the year. I believe that the fish I target from late April - October further to the east are the same fish that are congregating at the shelf rigs (hugging reefs) off LA in the winter. In the summer they are very spread out and difficult to rack up numbers. When everything aligns and you find a large group of fish on a rig in the winter its very deceiving as to how the overall stock is doing. Its the same reason for grouper closures outside 20 fathoms - to protect congregating fish. Wahoo are much more targeted these days than they used to be, largely due to the over-regulation of other species. Stacking 19 on a dock and plastering it all over social media is just asking for eventual over-regulation.

ff to 9:40...
... It's nice to see some young guys that know not to bite the hand that feeds you. I have much more respect for these guys than guys putting 19 on the dock for social media heroism and giving away 80% of it.
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Old 02-05-2019, 08:16 PM
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Wahoo Gods?
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Old 02-05-2019, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JCC123 View Post
Wahoo Gods?
oh shit

no you didn't
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Old 02-05-2019, 09:01 PM
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So does 19 Wahoo in the boat give you a higher Facebook cool factor than 100 BFT?

Beer is legal as well....everyone drink 30 and report back
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So does 19 Wahoo in the boat give you a higher Facebook cool factor than 100 BFT?

Beer is legal as well....everyone drink 30 and report back
typical fishing "story"

it was 87 bro
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Old 02-06-2019, 01:07 AM
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Legal safe and smart aren’t always the same thing. Killing off all the Buffalo was legal too, but that doesn’t mean it was in the best long term interest of sportsmen. Take care of the resource and you’ll have so many fish you’ll never need to worry about killing 19 fish.
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Sadly, I think social media has caused people to kill even more fish just to take a cool photo. I have seen people at ramps taking pics for 15 mins only to start giving fish away to people at the ramp.
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Old 02-06-2019, 05:27 AM
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In the past I have caught 10 wahoo in 45 min and headed back to the marina at 830am. Thus is after a week of preperation, watching weather, making gameplan, rigging baits, fueling up, ice, towing boat to Venice from new orleans, etc. Some of maybe most of y'all would have kept catching them. I am not a green freak but in my opinion, that day, 10 was excessive for 5 people. Any more than that is...well insert word. Jeepman, I love your posts and you are obviously a very good fisherman but I gotta say, on this one, Cuttem is spot on. Not crying, not hating, just want my daughter to be able to experience what I have one day. The trip I am talking about, I could have caught 50++ wahoo. I didn't because it was unnecessary.
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Old 02-06-2019, 07:25 AM
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I couldn't find a pic of the wahoo, but I did see where Eddie killed a slob 2 days ago.

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Old 02-06-2019, 08:03 AM
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The ones opposing regulation on them will be the first ones screaming at NOAA for regulating them. I seem to remember a pic a few years back of a small boat in Louisiana that had the decks covered in triple tail, and it was shortly after that was posted that the regulations on the species came rolling down and I personally am happy that it did. Regulations catch a bad rap but Id rather have regulations than no fish. Now with all that being said, I do believe the regulations need to be within reason and make sense based on accurate, scientific stock assessments and NOT stem from political agendas. The daily limit on my boat for YFT is 1-2 per person or less depending on size even though the legal limit is 3 per person per day. No one needs more tuna than that at a time and if you don't like it you can stay at the dock. I can also tell you that I'll never pack the fish box with an unregulated species such as wahoo, even though IMO it makes the best sushi and grilled fish, its just stupid. To the poster that mentioned the Venice guys setting lower limits on YFT, yes some do but there are still some who will get their customers limit plus the crew limit to make the customer happier. What those guys arent realizing is that when there is no more of an abundance of tuna, there will be no more customers. In this day and age with the boats, gear and electronics that we have at our disposal I firmly believe it has an adverse effect on species population. If you were to eliminate just GPS alone and imagine only having LORAN-C, there would be a lot more "clean ice" coming back to the docks...
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Old 02-06-2019, 08:33 AM
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In this day and age with the boats, gear and electronics that we have at our disposal I firmly believe it has an adverse effect on species population. If you were to eliminate just GPS alone and imagine only having LORAN-C, there would be a lot more "clean ice" coming back to the docks...
This is very, very real, those that never ran out on heading and speed to find your snapper hole probably can't understand. 30 Years ago only a rich man would have a 25 Mako with loopers and getting out 40 miles was a once a year event for most - and now everyone and their grandma has a big fast boat with electronics that increases opportunity/success several magnitudes. I am a 25 - 50 mile snapper/kingfish guy myself and success these days means leaving the jetties early before the parking lot fills up. Yeah we need to police ourselves.

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