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Old 01-09-2019, 09:16 AM
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What are gulf reef and peligic 6pak permits going for now. Might be interested in selling a set.
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Old 01-09-2019, 06:08 PM
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About $25k give or take a few grand. Im looking to lease a set if you want to hold on to them and make a little money. Shoot me a PM if youre interested.
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Old 01-15-2019, 07:18 PM
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Depends on what you believe, it's pure speculation right now. The investment group trying to buy up all the voting rights is offering about 13K per set. I have heard of them selling for about 20K to other speculators. If IPQ's don't go through they will probably drop back down to a reasonable rate. And for disclosure I do own a set and do not believe that they are worth 25K, I fully believe that no one should have to pay that price for the "privilege" to fish a public resource.
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Old 01-15-2019, 07:20 PM
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About $25k give or take a few grand. Im looking to lease a set if you want to hold on to them and make a little money. Shoot me a PM if youre interested.
I might be willing to lease mine, haven't made up my mind yet and not sure how the regulations are going to read going forward.
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Old 02-10-2019, 07:13 AM
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So Iíve been thinking about buying a set of federal permits, is there something in the works that might be changing I should know about before spending the money
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So Iíve been thinking about buying a set of federal permits, is there something in the works that might be changing I should know about before spending the money
What are my charter permits worth?
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Old 02-10-2019, 03:08 PM
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Anyone heard the rumor that the moratorium on new permits might be lifted? That would change things!
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Originally Posted by Sea-r-cy View Post
Anyone heard the rumor that the moratorium on new permits might be lifted? That would change things!
Not gonna happen.

They are trying to shrink the for hire fleet. History proves my opinion.
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Old 02-11-2019, 03:33 AM
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Anyone heard the rumor that the moratorium on new permits might be lifted? That would change things!
There are a handful of Historical Captain permits out there ...... Historical Captain status meant that you could not hire another captain, could not sell the permits, could not pass them on to your kids, etc.

Those permits that are still out there are being converted to full fledge permits with all rights, etc. no discussion at all about lifting permits.
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Old 02-11-2019, 03:40 AM
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So Iíve been thinking about buying a set of federal permits, is there something in the works that might be changing I should know about before spending the money
There are several new regs that are about to kick in. You will need some sort of monitoring device installed on the boat the permits are on. In the next few months they are also going to enact reporting which means that you are going to have to report how many fish you have on the boat, each trip.

(Forward looking statement) - a certain group has fought hard for this log book program. Once a log book program begins, it builds a catch history, once you have 3 years of catch history they are pushing for "Individual Permit Quota" Thus each set of permits will be assigned a certain number of fish much like the commercial fishery has worked out. If you have those permits, they are going to worth more, the more quota you have assigned to them. So depending on where you fish ...... You better make it a priority to go out every day of the season to build your quota. If your in the western Gulf, you better change your business plan away form the single trip a day and start running multiple 4 hour trips like the boats in the eastern Gulf do. You better hope during the early periods of this plan that you area does not get hit by any storms that have you sitting at the dock for any length of time.
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Originally Posted by RSGSGI View Post
There are several new regs that are about to kick in. You will need some sort of monitoring device installed on the boat the permits are on. In the next few months they are also going to enact reporting which means that you are going to have to report how many fish you have on the boat, each trip.

(Forward looking statement) - a certain group has fought hard for this log book program. Once a log book program begins, it builds a catch history, once you have 3 years of catch history they are pushing for "Individual Permit Quota" Thus each set of permits will be assigned a certain number of fish much like the commercial fishery has worked out. If you have those permits, they are going to worth more, the more quota you have assigned to them. So depending on where you fish ...... You better make it a priority to go out every day of the season to build your quota. If your in the western Gulf, you better change your business plan away form the single trip a day and start running multiple 4 hour trips like the boats in the eastern Gulf do. You better hope during the early periods of this plan that you area does not get hit by any storms that have you sitting at the dock for any length of time.
I wonder how many will pad their numbers to help themselves out....?
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I wonder how many will pad their numbers to help themselves out....?
you really can't

we have had logbooks in Alaska for well over a decade

when you get checked, if anything is off in the book you're in trouble

we used to hire captains for their fishing skills, now we hire them for their accounting skills

oh and in ours the clients also have to sign off for the feds (they attest the logbook is accurate, each person plus the capt has to sign it)

just make sure you limit out everyday
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I wonder how many will pad their numbers to help themselves out....?
It is all about padding your numbers for the first 3 years but more so how I stated it than how you implied. Part of the log book says that you have to give time for enforcement to decide if they want to check your catch. Now fully understand what this says and means. Depending on what they decide, say 1 hour delay in offloading your catch. So you come in from a trip, customer got sick, dropped an engine, weather got bad, any number of a thousand reasons that your customers want to get to the dock and get the hell out of there. The feds have already restricted the captain and crew from catching any fish so none of the fish in the box belong to you, they belong to the crew. So the crew wants to leave and they want their fish but you have to wait an hour just in case WLF is going to come check you????? My personal opinion, they are not my fish if the customer wants to take them and leave, I'm not stopping them. Then relate this to what has happened in the commercial fishery. When the budget cuts hit the further restricted the commercial guys to "declaring" a dock that they were going to land at and permitted very few docks as approved docks so that commercial boat has to land his / her catch there. Now as a charter boat, I get a call from Dr. Jones who lives in a gated waterfront community. He wants to be picked up and dropped off at his dock. If this takes the same road as the commercial guys took at some point your not going to be able to satisfy your customer's demand because you are going to have to declare what publicly accessible marina is going to be your home port and that is going to be the only place you are going to be able to "land" your fish. SMDH
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I wonder if they’ll make you issue a 3 hour landing notification and no off loading of fish between 6pm and 6am? That’s our rules with a commercial permit. I’ve considered buying a charter permit or even trading my commercial reef permit and jumping on the red snapper money printing band wagon. Lord knows they’re bringing more money on a charter than leasing allocation and clearing $2 a pound at the fish house.
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I wonder if theyíll make you issue a 3 hour landing notification and no off loading of fish between 6pm and 6am? Thatís our rules with a commercial permit. Iíve considered buying a charter permit or even trading my commercial reef permit and jumping on the red snapper money printing band wagon. Lord knows theyíre bringing more money on a charter than leasing allocation and clearing $2 a pound at the fish house.
While they are dancing around it that it the answer and where this is going. EDF / OC / CFA and others are all hoping that this goes to a quota system because they know that a snapper is worth more on a charter boat than it is on a commercial vessel. They have even gone as far as getting the restaurant associations to sign on with them using CCA as the 'boogie man' telling them that recs are going to take their quota through re-allocation, all the while they are working toward a quota system where the commercial sector can lease their quota to the charter sector. The price will go through the roof and the kicker is that the restaurants will go to selling some Chinese catfish and calling it snapper at least in Louisiana where there is no 'truth in menu' laws.
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What ever they do it's gonna hurt the smaller operations, Shrink the fleet and make a select few a bunch of money.

Just like it worked in the commercial sector. It's the EDF plan and they have been working towards this for a long time.

Someone is gonna get screwed and someone is gonna become a rich Sea lord.
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Old 02-28-2019, 07:57 AM
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Whatís the best way to transfer a permit?
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Directions are on the rear of permit. Relatively painless process
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Directions are on the rear of permit. Relatively painless process
So just hand over bunch of cash and take the permit and hope all the paperwork goes through? Or go through a lawyer of some sort.
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So just hand over bunch of cash and take the permit and hope all the paperwork goes through? Or go through a lawyer of some sort.
Absolutely not, I would personally recommend going to this site https://portal.southeast.fisheries.n...s/foia/RCG.htm and searching for the person selling his/her permits, then looking at the associated permit number to make sure it matches.

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