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Louisiana Red Snapper fines ??????????

Old 07-10-2018, 03:14 PM
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A relative of mine was pulled over in the river yesterday and was ticketed for having 8 red snapper on board by LA Wildlife and Fisheries. He was with another adult and 2 kids. He did not realize the season closed Sunday and reopens this Friday to weekends only. He knew the state was going to weekends only this Friday, but he assumed it was open the rest of this week. He is summoned for a court date in Belle Chasse in October. Has anyone else been down this road before? Fine costs? Any help or information would be greatly appreciated. The guy just made an honest mistake.

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Old 07-11-2018, 05:13 AM
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I can't even find online where they changed it to weekends only. Does anyone know where it is?
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Old 07-11-2018, 05:54 AM
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Don’t have much to add to original question but saw officers unloading fish at Venice Marina other day and had that sinking feeling someone’s day went bad. Hate to hear the rest of story re: kids family outing.

Document lack of changes to any governmental websites re: no mention changes to weekends only etc. this may/ will help with resolution of tickets.

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Old 07-11-2018, 06:20 AM
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Government making criminals out of good people. As much as the seasons have been changing he has a good argument, but if the wrong judge then he will hear "ignorance of the law is no excuse"
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Old 07-11-2018, 07:09 AM
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It was announced via several means.... Knowing all the uncertainties of that fishery, its good to look at the regs on a regular basis.

Red snapper season moves to weekends-only starting July 13
http://www.houmatoday.com/sports/201...-weekends-only
https://www.theadvocate.com/acadiana...332991eea.html
LDWF changes to weekend-only red snapper season effective July 1 - KATC.com | Continuous News Coverage | Acadiana-Lafayette
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Old 07-11-2018, 08:51 AM
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Fish Rules App works well, but with so many changes it’s hard to keep up
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:18 AM
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They were at the 7 mile rigs fishing snapper along with 3 other private boats and a few charter captains stopping to get there snapper after Tuna fishing. It seems some fisherman still think the season is open the rest of this week.
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:21 AM
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It is for charter guys
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:28 AM
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Good way for a broke state to make money. Change the season during the season.
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:51 AM
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Charter guys are still open.
Is it federal or state jurisdiction? Could be ugly if in front of a federal judge.
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Old 07-11-2018, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by pooldoo73 View Post
Charter guys are still open.
Is it federal or state jurisdiction? Could be ugly if in front of a federal judge.

The ticket was given by LA wildlife in the river. He has to go to court in Belle Chasse in October on F. Edward Hebert drive. Sounds like state court
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I would be reaching out to the Judge before the court date. You may find an honest conversation goes along ways if you have never had any past wildlife violations......
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Originally Posted by Jeepman View Post
Government making criminals out of good people. As much as the seasons have been changing he has a good argument, but if the wrong judge then he will hear "ignorance of the law is no excuse"
few years back they reopened snappers in September, or October maybe it was. We had a limit. The marine patrol was all over the docks, even stopping boats after they were secured and heading down the road (Dauphin island) well we all got ticketed and fish confiscated because our licenses expired on August 31. Just a few days after the season was reopened. Man, just feeling like a used up bait fish after that.

$250 ticket on site, we were sent a settlement fee of $100 in lieu of going to court, paid that. Moved on.
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Old 07-11-2018, 04:09 PM
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He's fortunate it wasn't the US Fish and Wildlife Service, then his problems would be in Federal Court. I haven't had the opportunity to help someone with this type of violation before, but I assume it would be a fine and a suspended jail sentence. From the facts you recite they don't appear to have a viable defense (I didn't know isn't one). He certainly doesn't want to run the risk of having his fishing privileges suspended. I would advise your relative to get in touch with the Plaquemines District Attorney's office and speak to the ADA that handles that docket. The fine would probably be around $300, but they could be ordered to pay restitution per fish. Talking to the ADA in advance might help get them out of that part. The ADA's are usually pretty approachable people. If he finds they have an attitude about it, then he should hire a local attorney to help him.
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Old 07-12-2018, 07:21 AM
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The fish rules app is updated all the time and the correct season is shown right now. Just manually set your location to Louisiana waters. Everyone should make a habit of checking seasons before they leave the dock, or at least update the regs in the app. I am interested to see what the fine is. Ignorance is usually not a good defense.
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Originally Posted by cwhite6 View Post
The fish rules app is updated all the time and the correct season is shown right now. Just manually set your location to Louisiana waters. Everyone should make a habit of checking seasons before they leave the dock, or at least update the regs in the app. I am interested to see what the fine is. Ignorance is usually not a good defense.
This assumes everyone has a smart phone or computer.

My father has neither, and he is not alone. No way in hell they could get away with changes like this for fresh water, yet saltwater fishermen seem roll over and take it. Kinda like the data collecting on red snapper from REC fishermen. Could you imagine telling a bunch of white perch fishermen they had to tell someone every time they were going fishing, how many they caught, how many were fishing, etc... Those old timers would give the government a big FU.
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I understand that. But as a sportsman, it is up to you to know the current regs on your game you chase. Someone can always call the local Wildlife office and ask what the current season is. With the wildly changing seasons on snapper the past few years, you should always check before you leave the dock. Ignorance is not an excuse. My dad is almost 70 and he knows how to check. Everyone should.
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:41 AM
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I.dont know what your fine is in your case. But there was a guy at Freeport who was boated and found to illegally fished snappers in the tune of 200 plus fish when the season was closed. His million dollar boat was impounded. I heard he paid $50k to get his boat back and fine another $50k. This is probably the worst case... by the way, the guy paid cash.
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Originally Posted by Jeepman View Post
This assumes everyone has a smart phone or computer.

My father has neither, and he is not alone. No way in hell they could get away with changes like this for fresh water, yet saltwater fishermen seem roll over and take it. Kinda like the data collecting on red snapper from REC fishermen. Could you imagine telling a bunch of white perch fishermen they had to tell someone every time they were going fishing, how many they caught, how many were fishing, etc... Those old timers would give the government a big FU.
Not to defend the state, but it was posted in many news papers including all from coastal communities. Also, if you read the announcement for the season it did mention possibilities of closures.

I feel the state may not let up on people this year. They are trying to show that they can manage the fisheries so that they can get future state management and this is one of the methods.
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Old 07-13-2018, 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by snapperkiller View Post
Not to defend the state, but it was posted in many news papers including all from coastal communities. Also, if you read the announcement for the season it did mention possibilities of closures.

I feel the state may not let up on people this year. They are trying to show that they can manage the fisheries so that they can get future state management and this is one of the methods.
He knew they we starting a weekend only season starting today on the 13th. He just assumed it was open the rest of the week July 9th thru the 12th and starting weekends only on the 13th. He just got caught fishing in the transition window from 7 days a week season to weekends only (July 9th thru 12th). It was just an honest mistake and it was made by may a few other anglers as well. They were trying to get in one last trip during the week before the season changed to weekends only. I agree there were announcements the state was going to weekends only.
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