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Old 05-23-2018, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 20biminitwist View Post
From what little I know the Bluefins are there to spawn. There should be no allowable harvest in the GOM that time of year much less any directed fishery by any sector.
agree with rhis.a moratorium or a limited quota. Whats your choice.
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Old 05-23-2018, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DotRotten View Post
agree with rhis.a moratorium or a limited quota. Whats your choice.
You don't catch many 500 + lb Tuna without trying real hard. No harvest sounds good to me but I don't know all the science to support my opinion so it's just that. Sure, you may hook one now and then on heavy enough tackle to land it. But, to have one come up and bait it and then pop a dart in it is not bycatch in my book.

The guys that did, did nothing wrong as far as I can see.

Not many boats are even equipped to ice and get one back to the dock to not burn the meat anyhow. That would be one hell of a waste IMHO.
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Old 05-23-2018, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 20biminitwist View Post
. But, to have one come up and bait it and then pop a dart in it is not bycatch in my book.
Correct. This would not be bycatch. This would be targeted fishing, and therefore illegal under the current rules.

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The guys that did, did nothing wrong as far as I can see.
To me, it seems that you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. First, you say it's not bycatch. Then you say it's ok. Which is it? The law says you can't target bluefins in the Gulf. The reason is that they're here to spawn, and in order to preserve these giants, you need to not fuck with them when they're in spawning aggregations. Conservation is the goal. If you disagree with this, then we need to have a different discussion entirely.

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Not many boats are even equipped to ice and get one back to the dock to not burn the meat anyhow. That would be one hell of a waste IMHO.
Yes, it would indeed be a waste. Some boats are equipped to bring one in. As you said, most aren't. But that won't stop most people from bringing a giant back to the dock just to weigh it, and hope the meat isn't garbage.
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Old 05-24-2018, 02:34 PM
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The charter captains in the video either did not know what incidental means or did not care. They are heard on the radio calling another captain over to catch blue fins which defines their intent to target the blue fins. The fact that they are hand feeding them also leads to their intent to target the blue fins. So they either did not know or knew but were prepared to face the consequences. Since they brought them in, took pictures and posted videos lead to they did not truly know the regulations. Having a 500k does not mean they know the regulations. I hope their customers don’t get into trouble.
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Old 05-24-2018, 02:36 PM
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The guys in the video did not land any Bluefin that day. They hooked up but were broken off. 2 were brought to the dock the day before. Haven't seen a video from the day the last fish was brought to the dock.
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Old 05-24-2018, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by boboe View Post
Correct. This would not be bycatch. This would be targeted fishing, and therefore illegal under the current rules.



To me, it seems that you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. First, you say it's not bycatch. Then you say it's ok. Which is it? The law says you can't target bluefins in the Gulf. The reason is that they're here to spawn, and in order to preserve these giants, you need to not fuck with them when they're in spawning aggregations. Conservation is the goal. If you disagree with this, then we need to have a different discussion entirely.



Yes, it would indeed be a waste. Some boats are equipped to bring one in. As you said, most aren't. But that won't stop most people from bringing a giant back to the dock just to weigh it, and hope the meat isn't garbage.
Read what I wrote and what has been posted. It appears the ones that caught them saw them and then targeted them and did not break any laws as they can call the catch non directed.

I believe I said it should be zero harvest no matter what.
If indeed science indicates this a spawning ground,

Allow no take no matter the circumstance. That would stop me from talking out of both side of my mouth as you say.

I am not all up on the science of the giants in the gulf. Fell free to elaborate!

NO TAKE IN THE GOM WOULD CLEAR THIS UP PLAIN AND SIMPLE
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Old 05-24-2018, 07:38 PM
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Rumblings are several captains were questioned by the NOAA agents down there all last week. Legal situation is not going away anytime soon for a few of them. Hope the feds don’t make an example of them with Loss of Charter licenses and permits.
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Originally Posted by MScooyan View Post
Rumblings are several captains were questioned by the NOAA agents down there all last week. Legal situation is not going away anytime soon for a few of them. Hope the feds donít make an example of them with Loss of Charter licenses and permits.
I hope they are made examples of, it is called law enforcement.
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Old 05-25-2018, 06:36 AM
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If a professional guide doesnít understand the limits or quotas they should not have a charter liscense. Hell they shouldnít have a fishing or a hunting liscense. If you arenít 100% positive on the season or limits throw it back, itís not that hard. Itís either greed or incompetence, and there arenít enough giant bluefin in the gulf to tolerate poaching like this.
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Old 05-25-2018, 08:24 AM
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I talked to my brother yesterday, apparently it was a group from his work that was on Kevin Beachís boat. He said there were 4 boats hooked up and the 2 landed.

He did say there was some dispute over the meat. MGFC wanted to keep the fish whole for imprints, I assume to make a picture or mount. The compromise, was one half was fileted and given to customers and other side kept intact for imprinting.

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Old 05-25-2018, 08:48 AM
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If a professional guide doesnít understand the limits or quotas they should not have a charter liscense. Hell they shouldnít have a fishing or a hunting liscense. If you arenít 100% positive on the season or limits throw it back, itís not that hard.
Agree 100%. I cut loose a nice mako last year (that ate a wahoo lure) because I knew it was right around the HMS renewal date and I couldn't remember if mine was still valid or not.

I don't personally know any of these guys but I'd be willing to bet they decided pumping up their advertising and egos was worth breaking a fine print law in the back of the book. Which I'm not sure is worse than completely not knowing what they were doing was against the law. Especially as professionals. I make damn sure in my business that every single thing I do is completely by our giant regulatory book. If I broke a rule either knowing or unknowingly I'd expect some form of punishment if it came to light.
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I will tell you that many of the captains push the limits and hope they do not get caught. Lots of then fish the state water season with federal permits. I even had a bunch argue with me one day about the size limit of mangrove snapper. They were bringing in 8"-10" fish.
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Old 05-26-2018, 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by BAB75 View Post
He did say there was some dispute over the meat. MGFC wanted to keep the fish whole for imprints, I assume to make a picture or mount. The compromise, was one half was fileted and given to customers and other side kept intact for imprinting.
I don't even know how to respond to that.
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Old 05-26-2018, 07:32 AM
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I don't even know how to respond to that.
me neither. If I am paying to charter your vessel and we catch a blue fin you are going to do with it what I desire since I am paying for the damn trip. You want to refund me the $2200 before fuel it costs to charter one of those 42í Freemanís and then we will talk.
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Old 05-28-2018, 05:26 PM
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Kevin Beach DID NOT catch the fish after the quota was met. His group caught one of the 2 from early May. That is the first time Kevin had a chance to catch one since he has been a captain.
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Originally Posted by pooldoo73 View Post
Kevin Beach DID NOT catch the fish after the quota was met. His group caught one of the 2 from early May. That is the first time Kevin had a chance to catch one since he has been a captain.
No one accused him of out of season harvest. The issue was targeting blue fin and more recently screwing over clients by keeping 1/2 of the fish. No doubt in my mind that 1/2 of that fish was sold. Charter a boat and pay for fuel, all the catch is yours. Bush league "Captains".
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Old 05-28-2018, 09:22 PM
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From what I understand, the law says the fish can only be caught incidentally. Everyone that has ever chartered in Venice knows that all tuna fishing is done with very light leader and tiny circle hooks. At the point that the Mexican gulf guys noticed bluefin, whether they ate their pogies or showed up under their boat while they were chunking, the decision was made to switch to heavier tackle to better their chances at catching the fish. I believe this is the issue with the fisheries guys investigating the catch, even though the season was open. Don't be misled to think that any bluefin caught in the last couple of weeks was done on a shimano talica with 80 pound fluorocarbon. These fish were intentionally targeted.

A week or two later when Captain Billy Wells caught his bluefin, the season had been closed and he deliberately brought his fish back to the dock. Now I'm sure there is more to this story. Perhaps the fish died on the line. I do agree that a fish should not be wasted. However, this is poaching. I have heard of more than a couple other fish in the last few weeks that have been brought back to the docks between Venice and Grand Isle more discreetly.

And I highly doubt any bluefin was sold by Mexican Gulf. As far as the fish print goes, can't the print be done in just a matter of minutes? The paint is applied externally. It should have no bearing on whether the fish can be consumed or not, unless the issue was wanting to keep the fish as cold as possible or fileted as quick as possible. At any point the captains decided they wanted to keep the fish, for any reason, the price of the charter should have been discounted tremendously. If I was a paying customer, I would laugh if the captains thought any fish we caught on the charter I just paid for, was owed to them.
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This may should be a different thread, but Iím thinking the charter guests were leaving Venice before the fish print could be done. Once they saw how much meat came off of the first side, they probably wouldnít have known what to do with the whole thing anyway. Which brings me to my point.

The idea that that you have to leave a Venice charter with a 270 quart full of tuna and other goodies is definitely taking its toll on the fishery. If these guys arenít careful, theyíll fish themselves out of a job. Worst of all, Iím guessing that a lot of clients just go home and chunk it in the freezer...
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Originally Posted by Bluewater Report View Post
This may should be a different thread, but Iím thinking the charter guests were leaving Venice before the fish print could be done. Once they saw how much meat came off of the first side, they probably wouldnít have known what to do with the whole thing anyway. Which brings me to my point.

The idea that that you have to leave a Venice charter with a 270 quart full of tuna and other goodies is definitely taking its toll on the fishery. If these guys arenít careful, theyíll fish themselves out of a job. Worst of all, Iím guessing that a lot of clients just go home and chunk it in the freezer...
Don't get me started on this. . .
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Don't get me started on this. . .
Yea, 1 YF Tuna per person per day is plenty of fish.
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