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Old 03-31-2017, 06:08 PM
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http://www.newsherald.com/news/20170...gement-changes




In a letter signed by Commissioner Bill Dozier and forwarded to Gov. Rick Scott on March 21, the commission argues for changing the country’s primary fisheries management law, getting rid of a restrictive red snapper management amendment and boosting local input, saying each change would help build tourism.

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Old 04-01-2017, 06:12 AM
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We can use all the help we can get. Can't wait to see what the Governor's response to this.
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Old 04-01-2017, 07:40 AM
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Default This only helps guides and charter guys.... not me (or us)

This is only hearing your voice if you are a guide or charter guide. It does not represent my opinion as a recreational fisherman. Yes, I agree that there needs to be more awareness of community input as well as access. I also think that management at the state level would be more responsive. What I don't agree with, or understand, is how charter and other for-hire professional entities are included in the "recreational" allotment. They should be considered "commercial". They charge a fee, run a business, pay taxes, etc.... they are commercial. If this were to be set up more appropriately there would be a bigger piece of the pie chart that designated as commercial and it would include both types, large corporations and charter guys. Then a reasonably sized allocation would be purely for the recreational sector. Then I could spend my money year round and not just have 9 - 15 days of fishing.
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This is only hearing your voice if you are a guide or charter guide. It does not represent my opinion as a recreational fisherman. Yes, I agree that there needs to be more awareness of community input as well as access. I also think that management at the state level would be more responsive. What I don't agree with, or understand, is how charter and other for-hire professional entities are included in the "recreational" allotment. They should be considered "commercial". They charge a fee, run a business, pay taxes, etc.... they are commercial. If this were to be set up more appropriately there would be a bigger piece of the pie chart that designated as commercial and it would include both types, large corporations and charter guys. Then a reasonably sized allocation would be purely for the recreational sector. Then I could spend my money year round and not just have 9 - 15 days of fishing.
The letter also weighs in on Amendment 45 to the Red Snapper Fishery Management Plan, a provision that separates management of recreational anglers from for-hire vessels. The provision — which gave NOAA the ability to give 46 red snapper fishing days to for-hire vessels and recreational anglers a mere nine days in federal waters in 2016 — is set to expire by the end of this year.

Seems like it addressed rec's to me....
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It does not really address the true recreational angler when it lumps them together with charter boats. Look at the seasons and tell me that nine days for a regular guy and year round for a charter guy are equitable. I am talking about the bigger picture. As recreational boat owner I would be open to letting Amendment 45 expire and then push for a separation. You are using the semantics argument.
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It does not really address the true recreational angler when it lumps them together with charter boats. Look at the seasons and tell me that nine days for a regular guy and year round for a charter guy are equitable. I am talking about the bigger picture. As recreational boat owner I would be open to letting Amendment 45 expire and then push for a separation. You are using the semantics argument.
I'm in no way arguing. I don't see how you pull semantics out of me posting an excerpt out of the written article that I thought you may have overlooked as it is pretty far down in the article.

I think any and all conversation on this issue is a good thing.

However, I see the article as saying both charter and recreational seasons are unacceptable.

I guess it's all a perception issue but, I see it as good that the conversation is getting a little traction.

I have no problem with the charter industry being with the recreational anglers because they are taking recreational folks fishing.
I do have issue with the charter season being longer than ours (recs) as it seems you do also.
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I did read the entire article. Seems we may have some common ground.
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I hear that most ( the current Democrat Governor in LA being the one exception) or all of the Gulf State Governor's are for supporting longer private recreational fishing seasons. What I don't understand about the Gulf State Governor's is that given their responsibilty to nominate names to NOAA for Gulf Council Membership why the Governor's would EVER nominate a person to fill a recreational fishing seat on the Gulf Council that is pro catch shares. For example recreational Council seats are currently filled by charter captains from Alabama and Florida that are both pro catch share.

If the Gulf State Governor's' refused to nominate individuals who were pro catch shares to fill Gulf Council seats that would change the makeup of the Council and swing votes to support private recreational fishing seasons ..right?
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I hear that most ( the current Democrat Governor in LA being the one exception) or all of the Gulf State Governor's are for supporting longer private recreational fishing seasons. What I don't understand about the Gulf State Governor's is that given their responsibilty to nominate names to NOAA for Gulf Council Membership why the Governor's would EVER nominate a person to fill a recreational fishing seat on the Gulf Council that is pro catch shares. For example recreational Council seats are currently filled by charter captains from Alabama and Florida that are both pro catch share.

If the Gulf State Governor's' refused to nominate individuals who were pro catch shares to fill Gulf Council seats that would change the makeup of the Council and swing votes to support private recreational fishing seasons ..right?

Ahh.. the inside story (at least for my state) there is they give them a list of names and then the council chooses them.
Rick Scott nominated a couple of people and I forget now but, one was a retired FWC guy that was not pro catch share.

However, I am tainted that in my view a politician will vote and support his pocket book campaign slush fund until it starts affecting his ability to stay in office due to loss of popular opinion and vote tally going down.

Then they become whatever you need them to be. So it seems.
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Working with local politicians on this issue is a must. They are not going to be tainted like the EDF funded federal folks are. Sure they will be some minor disagreements but all in all getting these community representatives on board will only help increase the volume of voice on this issues. I for one would like a vibe at docks where everyone (charters and reds) feel united in our access. Separating and turning this into a rec vs charter only plays into hand of federal divide and conquer scheme. I'm not saying I support current trend toward catch shares for charter trend but want to work with local small charter guys so we all can have better access. Local government support will go a long way on this issue and is inherently going to be more responsive that some federal bureaucrat.
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The liberal judges have opened up a prescendt setting loophole for us however I can't get my states attorney to return a call. Multiple judges have struck down President Trumps extreme vetting ban for commerce reasons, why can this not be used by a state to toss Magnasun/Stevens for a better re write?

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Old 04-03-2017, 08:29 PM
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A letter for us all to print, sign and send in.

Letter is on my personal dropbox and is virus free. It's also in Word Format

https://www.dropbox.com/s/v69a37gtnm...rce.pages?dl=0
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