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Old 07-03-2020, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Jackfish2800 View Post
AR-15s are designed for one purpose, to wound and kill people
The hog and deer meat in my freezer tend to disagree....
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Old 07-03-2020, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Captainkbt View Post
The hog and deer meat in my freezer tend to disagree....
Agreed. My brother's father-in-law uses his AR to take out the beavers that continuously dam up his creek at the hunting cabin and cause flooding issues.
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Killed two deer and a hog with a couple of mine last year. 300 BLK does yield marginally better results than .223 (shot my hog with it) but it's hard to beat the performance of a .308. Shot both the deer with an AR-10.

Bought a 450 bushy upper last year so looking forward to trying it out on some hogs and deer this year. It packs some punch. Here's one of the deer and yeah he was quartering towards me, lol.


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Old 07-03-2020, 06:05 PM
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I didn’t say you couldn’t kill a deer or hog with them, I have killed tons, they are the best hog gun, and my .308 AR15 is good deer gun, but they are designed military weapons to use on people
Old 07-03-2020, 08:11 PM
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Most people buy 'em to punch expensive holes in paper.
Old 07-03-2020, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Jackfish2800 View Post
I didn’t say you couldn’t kill a deer or hog with them, I have killed tons, they are the best hog gun, and my .308 AR15 is good deer gun, but they are designed military weapons to use on people
no...the design was for a lightweight firearm that is versatile and was adopted by our armed forces in another platform...it is a useful firearm for many purposes and relatively inexpensive to purchase while being easily modified for specific use...it's funny that there are countless firearms used by armed forces but this one seems to be the only one anybody recognizes...
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Originally Posted by Jackfish2800 View Post
I didn’t say you couldn’t kill a deer or hog with them, I have killed tons, they are the best hog gun, and my .308 AR15 is good deer gun, but they are designed military weapons to use on people
They don't make AR15's chambered in .308. If you've killed "tons" of hogs you will probably agree that the 223/5.56 is a rather under powered cartridge for hogs. If all you're taking is head shot's it works fine but so would a 17 or 22 magnum. A full grown hog will take a .223 to the shoulder like a man and good luck finding him with no blood trail.

I'm sorry but that wild west shootout, badass, street sweeper comment rubbed me the wrong way. I think talk like that gives responsible gun owners a bad name....... just the opinion of some random dude on the internet so take it for what it's worth.

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Old 07-03-2020, 08:43 PM
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I have a cheap 12 ga shotgun with a 7 round magazine. I spray painted it safety orange and stenciled "flare gun" on the stock. Have a clip of 12 ga flares zip-locked to the stock. It will shoot a flare many yards, crazy distance. But, it also carries lethal 5 shot rounds as well. Does double duty. At the last coast guard stop I got a "Well done Captain" from the CG team.
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Originally Posted by hjorgan View Post
I have a cheap 12 ga shotgun with a 7 round magazine. I spray painted it safety orange and stenciled "flare gun" on the stock. Have a clip of 12 ga flares zip-locked to the stock. It will shoot a flare many yards, crazy distance. But, it also carries lethal 5 shot rounds as well. Does double duty. At the last coast guard stop I got a "Well done Captain" from the CG team.
That's a good idea. Could do the same with the mossberg or Remington mariner versions too and worry a little less about corrosion.
Old 07-04-2020, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Bison View Post
...and at no time in 59 years of boating experiences did I ever feel the need to carry a firearm on a vessel.

Why? Under what possible scenario would one feel in need...

... brandishing a weapon for whatever reason will most probably result, at minimum in court appearance of some variety.
Do you feel like you should lock the door tonight? Like you should wear a seat belt today? Have a fire extinguisher in the kitchen or shop? Or do you feel lucky and eschew all those safety and security measures. If you missed it, how you feel is not an indicator of how safe you are.
Do you read the news?
Do you imagine gun owners waving guns around? Ever heard of low ready?

My response is a little lippy but entirely accurate. If you want to understand the realities of security in today's (not 1960s) society we will be happy to bring you up to speed.
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I was boarded by the USCG last spring in La. The FIRST thing I did was hand him my concealed weapon permit. He said "you don't pull yours, & we won't pull ours" and went on checking to make sure we had everything we were supposed to have. No problems.
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OP: Can Someone give me some advice on the legality of these two specific situations?

5 min later....

A: GUNS KILL PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
B: SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Jackfish2800 View Post
I have had several buddies who are not even serious fisherman get into heated conversations with people, particularly assholes from Zekes Marina over so called “private spots”.

In one case there was was a fatality as the charter captain (from Zekes of course) tried to ram my friend, (whose family has had a place in Josephine for 100 years, grew up on the water, and is an excellent boatsman (not a tourist) but not really a big time fisherman. He guy went nuts after he made the mistake of trolling too close to a charter boats private spot. He said he was 100s if yards from the boat. He started cussing like crazy, and whipped his boat around cut off my buddies lines, then he whipped around again so hard passenger was thrown off and killed.

I know at least 12 people that have had guns pulled on them, shots fired across the bow, rammed, heavy weights chucked at them, all lines cut etc over this stupid “private reef” shit in Alabama. Someone will be killed again within the next 5 years easily.

This shit needs to stop, the castle doctrine in bama, Florida and Mississippi allowed one to use deadly force in the event you feel your life is being threatened at home, in your car, boat, ATV, tractor, probably riding a horse etc. So if one of these Dekes Marine idiots runs into the kid with the AR-15, and tries some of this crap and gets sprayed a few times or killed, if it’s in state waters, they will not even send it to grand jury. I have seen the cases.

i don’t know how you carry a weapon on a boat without it being concealed. But everyone with boat over 40 feet in the 80s and 90s did it for fear of drug pirates.

Alabama Wildlife and Fisheries needs to send everyone with a saltwater license a warning on this and written explanation you have no exclusive rights to anything on the bottom of the gulf. There are no private reefs. Anyone freaking out over this, and threatening people should have their numbers publicly posted and their fishing license suspended, at a minimum. That would stop a lot of if. some of the deke freaks should have had all their licenses pulled long ago.

But they will wait until someone is killed first, or a big shootout occurs.

This foolishness needs to stop.
Quite a bit to see.

Never seen shots fired but did see a man swing a 6ft gaff from his boat at another man that was in an abruptly approaching boat at an oil rig in attempt to drag this guy aboard to beat the shit out of him caus the approaching boat guy was shouting “they saw this rig first!!!(with a few more choice words) and the current occupying crew “needs to untie and LEAVE!!!!

Almost got his ass too.

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-Alabama Wildlife and Fisheries needs to send everyone with a saltwater license a warning on this and written explanation you have no exclusive rights to anything on the bottom of the gulf. There are no private reefs. -

No...Alabama would be wasting their time doing so, as anyone who believes they have rights to a "special place" on the water isn't playing with a full deck...
Old 07-15-2020, 06:04 AM
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“Can you carry a gun on a boat”

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Old 07-15-2020, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by captainbaker View Post
I dont plan on having a fire on the boat today....but there is a fire extinguisher on board just in case.
I always use this analogy when talking to someone who is anti-gun. I also explain i'm the type to have a fire extinguisher in the car and if I could carry one that would actually put out a fire I would.

It's one of the only explanation that seem to click with them.
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard View Post
I have never needed my first aid kit, but I am going to keep carrying it. I have never needed my PLB, but I am going to keep carrying it. I have never needed my insurance either, but I am going to continue to carry it. Can someone delineate the downside to carrying things you'll likely never need?
Paul,

And I hope you never will have to employ your first aid kit supplies, insurance or PLB, but those items will never cause an unintended injury or death. I understand we all possess the right to carry and I respect the fact you are, by self-reporting a responsible gun owner. We have two different perspectives on gun ownership, the need to carry a weapon and the probability of a potential tragic outcome. You see advantages of carrying a weapon as protection from the dangers of, what I see, as highly unlikely events. I wish I could, but do not expect to change your mind or opinion. But I do want to explain the foundation of my opinion.

I am presently in my late 60's, but as a five year old and younger I was never without my toy guns. The short story is that in the late 1950's my parents were invited to a friends' house for an evening of dinner and cards. My parents could not find a sitter for the evening. The hosts said no problem, bring your son, me, to dinner and afterwards we can put him in our bedroom which had a second TV and when he gets tired he can fall asleep. All of that occurred, except the responsible gun owning host kept a loaded 38 long barrel in a nightstand in the bedroom I was in. I found the weapon and thought it a toy. I climbed down the stairs with the gun and pointed it at my parents and their friends and said "freeze or ill shoot". My parents laughed thinking I was playing with one of my toy guns, but the host recognized his pistol and bounded across the room knocking the weapon from my hand. I could have shot them, myself or who knows what. In short, the event left an impression on me for life. I am not what one call a hunter but in college hunted small game with friends and from time have continued to time shot targets and clay birds. But my opinion is and will remain that we do not live in the Wild West of 1880's and 1890's, so the need to carry a weapon no longer exists. Further, carrying a firearm concealed or open carried is simply a risk which will most likely end in a tragic ending, as much for the responsible weapon's owner as for a bad guy. I respect the right to bear arms! I have no issues with hunters and target shooters. It is your right to carry a weapon and I respect your right, but I also respect the laws of probability that a bad ending is the most likely outcome for you or those around you. Of all the scenarios expressed in this thread describing the need for deadly force protection, how many have really happened? Very few, if any!

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. My best to you and yours!
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Paul,

And I hope you never will have to employ your first aid kit supplies, insurance or PLB, but those items will never cause an unintended injury or death. I understand we all possess the right to carry and I respect the fact you are, by self-reporting a responsible gun owner. We have two different perspectives on gun ownership, the need to carry a weapon and the probability of a potential tragic outcome. You see advantages of carrying a weapon as protection from the dangers of, what I see, as highly unlikely events. I wish I could, but do not expect to change your mind or opinion. But I do want to explain the foundation of my opinion.

I am presently in my late 60's, but as a five year old and younger I was never without my toy guns. The short story is that in the late 1950's my parents were invited to a friends' house for an evening of dinner and cards. My parents could not find a sitter for the evening. The hosts said no problem, bring your son, me, to dinner and afterwards we can put him in our bedroom which had a second TV and when he gets tired he can fall asleep. All of that occurred, except the responsible gun owning host kept a loaded 38 long barrel in a nightstand in the bedroom I was in. I found the weapon and thought it a toy. I climbed down the stairs with the gun and pointed it at my parents and their friends and said "freeze or ill shoot". My parents laughed thinking I was playing with one of my toy guns, but the host recognized his pistol and bounded across the room knocking the weapon from my hand. I could have shot them, myself or who knows what. In short, the event left an impression on me for life. I am not what one call a hunter but in college hunted small game with friends and from time have continued to time shot targets and clay birds. But my opinion is and will remain that we do not live in the Wild West of 1880's and 1890's, so the need to carry a weapon no longer exists. Further, carrying a firearm concealed or open carried is simply a risk which will most likely end in a tragic ending, as much for the responsible weapon's owner as for a bad guy. I respect the right to bear arms! I have no issues with hunters and target shooters. It is your right to carry a weapon and I respect your right, but I also respect the laws of probability that a bad ending is the most likely outcome for you or those around you. Of all the scenarios expressed in this thread describing the need for deadly force protection, how many have really happened? Very few, if any!

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. My best to you and yours!
Thanks for sharing your opinion and the reasoning behind it. That sounds like a pretty traumatizing experience and it obviously left a life long scar on you.

I killed my first deer when I was 6 and I had been shooting much younger than that. I was trained in the rules of firearm safety at an early age. Treat every gun as if it were loaded, never point a gun at anything you don't want to destroy, etc. Had you been trained the same way that incident would never have taken place and you likely would have an entirely different outlook on guns.

I do find in quite a few circumstances that people who are against other people owning guns do so because they don't trust themselves with guns. (Not saying you in particular since you pointed out that you respect the right to carry). Just an observation...


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But my opinion is and will remain that we do not live in the Wild West of 1880's and 1890's, so the need to carry a weapon no longer exists.
This doesn't make any sense to me. How can what's happening today, especially in these big cities, not prove how important gun ownership is?Tons of looting, violent crime, murders on the rise, police reluctant to do their job because morale is so low, or not allowed to do their job by their superiors. Honestly, police really just respond to incidents that have already taken place, rarely do they actually stop bad things from happening.

I think it would do you good to watch the "active self protection" channel on YouTube. Might change your position on the "wild west".....

Thanks for explaining your reasoning....





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Hmmmm. Didn’t realize constitutional rights were “need” based.
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mmmm. Didn’t realize constitutional rights were “need” based.
I normally stay out of these arguments, I find them tiring and often self defeating, but your comment has stirred me to get up off the couch to say something. Caveat: I am and have been a gun owner since an early age, In my first sevn years with the Coast I worked in the weapons department ashore and on ships. I am no stranger to firearms and all the issues that go along with them. I have hunted, but now I am mainly a target shooter, and I have a CCL. Which I obtained mainly to come and go to the range. But your comment about "need" ? No, constitutional rights are not need based, but, I have lost count many years ago of how many people told me they "needed" to carry, whether concealed or open. Yes it's a right, but most people who carry feel they need the firearm for protection whether real or imagined. I spent many years at CG HQ fielding phone calls from boat owners who "needed" to carry a firearm on their boat. If you didn't have what you believe is a need to carry a firearm to protect yourself, then you wouldn't carry one.

PS: I feel a "need" to own a firearm, but no need to carry it around with me. My wife who is from NYC and did not grow up with firearm owners, sees no need to even own one. Yet we both have the right to do so.

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