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Old 06-23-2020, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Bison View Post
Please explain to me a situation, in US waters, by which anyone would employ a deadly weapon, loaded firearm while boating, especially, against another human. As stated in an earlier post sharks can be released with the hook; other fished gaffed and/or batted in the head before being boated. I have been boating since nine years of age on the Great Lakes, Mississippi River, Lake of the Ozark's, New York Finger Lakes, Erie Canal, British Virgin Islands, the Grenadines and now the Cape Fear Region of North Carolina, and at no time in 59 years of boating experiences did I ever feel the need to carry a firearm on a vessel.

Why? Under what possible scenario would one feel in need or empowered to carry a firearm on a recreational boat? The only possible reason, I could envision “to be packing” would be while long distance cruising in international waters in the vicinity of a rogue nation, and even then one has to assume to be seriously out matched in fire power.

Even if you are an individual who does not share my perspective, regarding fire arms and boats, what do you think your fate would be in court, under existing social tensions, should your weapon discharge either on purpose or accidentally and injure or kill another person? Further, simply brandishing a weapon for whatever reason will most probably result, at minimum in court appearance of some variety.

It is my understanding of North Carolina regulation firearms are not allowed at State launching ramps.
Except where facilities are provided and approved uses are posted, it is unlawful to use any public fishing area for purposes other than fishing. All prohibited uses and activities shall be posted including possession of loaded firearms (except as allowed in Paragraph (b) of this Rule), swimming, launching or mooring jet skis or boats, skiing, building fires, operating concessions, or other activities not directly associated with fishing.

As the “Coastie” said, above, no Federal Law precludes possession of a firearm on a boat, but is there a risk worth the dangers? If you are compelled to carry a firearm on your boat ensure that if you are ever boarded by law enforcement or USCG that the very first thing you tell them is a firearm is on the vessel and its exact location.
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Is there a gulf coast state covered by this forum that does not allow open carry?
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Originally Posted by USCG Safe Boating D8 View Post
Back in my active duty days I worked a case where a man brandished a firearm in a squabble over a "private" spot. That man is a felon now and cannot legally possess a gun. There is no such thing as a private spot. When the reef material hits the bottom it is public. I am not about to get into an armed confrontation over a spot. If someone becomes threatening, I'll leave and deal with it later.

From a federal standpoint there are no laws that preclude a legal person from having a legal gun on board their vessel.
was this the same case as the 1994 incident below:
“ I helped the Coast Guard prosecute that case. That was in about 1994. He wasn't arrested when he returned to Billy Goat Hole. It took us a while to put the case together. I didn't know it at the time, but when I worked the case up with US Attorney Rusty Lofton we found an obscure federal statute titled malicious cutting of anchor rope. The offender was found guilty of a felony and was given probation. There is a VERY interesting side story to that case.”
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Please explain to me a situation, in US waters, by which anyone would employ a deadly weapon, loaded firearm while boating, especially, against another human. As stated in an earlier post sharks can be released with the hook; other fished gaffed and/or batted in the head before being boated. I have been boating since nine years of age on the Great Lakes, Mississippi River, Lake of the Ozark's, New York Finger Lakes, Erie Canal, British Virgin Islands, the Grenadines and now the Cape Fear Region of North Carolina, and at no time in 59 years of boating experiences did I ever feel the need to carry a firearm on a vessel.

Why? Under what possible scenario would one feel in need or empowered to carry a firearm on a recreational boat? The only possible reason, I could envision “to be packing” would be while long distance cruising in international waters in the vicinity of a rogue nation, and even then one has to assume to be seriously out matched in fire power.

Even if you are an individual who does not share my perspective, regarding fire arms and boats, what do you think your fate would be in court, under existing social tensions, should your weapon discharge either on purpose or accidentally and injure or kill another person? Further, simply brandishing a weapon for whatever reason will most probably result, at minimum in court appearance of some variety.

It is my understanding of North Carolina regulation firearms are not allowed at State launching ramps.
Except where facilities are provided and approved uses are posted, it is unlawful to use any public fishing area for purposes other than fishing. All prohibited uses and activities shall be posted including possession of loaded firearms (except as allowed in Paragraph (b) of this Rule), swimming, launching or mooring jet skis or boats, skiing, building fires, operating concessions, or other activities not directly associated with fishing.

As the “Coastie” said, above, no Federal Law precludes possession of a firearm on a boat, but is there a risk worth the dangers? If you are compelled to carry a firearm on your boat ensure that if you are ever boarded by law enforcement or USCG that the very first thing you tell them is a firearm is on the vessel and its exact location.

Why? Because criminals know no bounds. Carrying on a boat is the same as carrying in your car; it's your vehicle and your property, you have every right to protect it. If somebody pulls up next to you seemingly of no threat then all of a sudden jumps on your boat and attacks you because they want your GPS or fish finder. Disables your vessel and kidnaps one of your children. Holds you at gunpoint and rapes your wife. Anything that can happen on land can happen on water, difference is you could LITERALLY be where somebody could not hear you scream. Now if you're in waters that restrict it (like Big Creek Lake allows no weapons) that's one thing but if there is no restriction on it you have to use whatever means necessary, even lethal, to protect yourself and all the others on your boat. As far as notifying law enforcement if boarded, that is only if your state requires it or if you are asked. Besides that, if you are concealed carry and you leave it in your truck at the dock, that's a great opportunity for it to be stolen. You may not agree on the whole gun thing, and that's fine if that's how you feel, but for those of us who exercise that right (and for the select few, such as myself, who have actually had to use a firearm for defense) we feel it is even MORE necessary in the current times.
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Just to clarify, firearms are allowed at the ramp as long as they are unloaded. I did not look to see what the exceptions are that allowed in paragraph “b”.

Originally Posted by Bison [img]/images/buttons/viewpost.gif[/img]
Please explain to me a situation, in US waters, by which anyone would employ a deadly weapon, loaded firearm while boating, especially, against another human. As stated in an earlier post sharks can be released with the hook; other fished gaffed and/or batted in the head before being boated. I have been boating since nine years of age on the Great Lakes, Mississippi River, Lake of the Ozark's, New York Finger Lakes, Erie Canal, British Virgin Islands, the Grenadines and now the Cape Fear Region of North Carolina, and at no time in 59 years of boating experiences did I ever feel the need to carry a firearm on a vessel.

Why? Under what possible scenario would one feel in need or empowered to carry a firearm on a recreational boat? The only possible reason, I could envision “to be packing” would be while long distance cruising in international waters in the vicinity of a rogue nation, and even then one has to assume to be seriously out matched in fire power.

Even if you are an individual who does not share my perspective, regarding fire arms and boats, what do you think your fate would be in court, under existing social tensions, should your weapon discharge either on purpose or accidentally and injure or kill another person? Further, simply brandishing a weapon for whatever reason will most probably result, at minimum in court appearance of some variety.

It is my understanding of North Carolina regulation firearms are not allowed at State launching ramps.
Except where facilities are provided and approved uses are posted, it is unlawful to use any public fishing area for purposes other than fishing. All prohibited uses and activities shall be posted including possession of loaded firearms (except as allowed in Paragraph (b) of this Rule), swimming, launching or mooring jet skis or boats, skiing, building fires, operating concessions, or other activities not directly associated with fishing.

As the “Coastie” said, above, no Federal Law precludes possession of a firearm on a boat, but is there a risk worth the dangers? If you are compelled to carry a firearm on your boat ensure that if you are ever boarded by law enforcement or USCG that the very first thing you tell them is a firearm is on the vessel and its exact location.
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Be a man and gaff the damn fish.
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Originally Posted by Bison View Post
Please explain to me a situation, in US waters, by which anyone would employ a deadly weapon, loaded firearm while boating, especially, against another human. As stated in an earlier post sharks can be released with the hook; other fished gaffed and/or batted in the head before being boated. I have been boating since nine years of age on the Great Lakes, Mississippi River, Lake of the Ozark's, New York Finger Lakes, Erie Canal, British Virgin Islands, the Grenadines and now the Cape Fear Region of North Carolina, and at no time in 59 years of boating experiences did I ever feel the need to carry a firearm on a vessel.

Why? Under what possible scenario would one feel in need or empowered to carry a firearm on a recreational boat? The only possible reason, I could envision “to be packing” would be while long distance cruising in international waters in the vicinity of a rogue nation, and even then one has to assume to be seriously out matched in fire power.

Even if you are an individual who does not share my perspective, regarding fire arms and boats, what do you think your fate would be in court, under existing social tensions, should your weapon discharge either on purpose or accidentally and injure or kill another person? Further, simply brandishing a weapon for whatever reason will most probably result, at minimum in court appearance of some variety.

It is my understanding of North Carolina regulation firearms are not allowed at State launching ramps.
Except where facilities are provided and approved uses are posted, it is unlawful to use any public fishing area for purposes other than fishing. All prohibited uses and activities shall be posted including possession of loaded firearms (except as allowed in Paragraph (b) of this Rule), swimming, launching or mooring jet skis or boats, skiing, building fires, operating concessions, or other activities not directly associated with fishing.

As the “Coastie” said, above, no Federal Law precludes possession of a firearm on a boat, but is there a risk worth the dangers? If you are compelled to carry a firearm on your boat ensure that if you are ever boarded by law enforcement or USCG that the very first thing you tell them is a firearm is on the vessel and its exact location.
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Hmmmm, as a responsible gun owner, would it be better to.....

1) Leave my firearm in an unattended vehicle at a public boat ramp for half a day

or

2) Bring it on the boat so it stays in my possession?


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Why? Under what possible scenario would one feel in need or empowered to carry a firearm on a recreational boat?
How about any scenario humanly imaginable that has the potential of putting my life or the life of my friends or family in immediate danger.

WHY? The answer is simple....

#1 Because I can... 'MERICA
#2 It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.



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Looks like you beat me to it....

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Why? Because criminals know no bounds. Carrying on a boat is the same as carrying in your car; it's your vehicle and your property, you have every right to protect it. If somebody pulls up next to you seemingly of no threat then all of a sudden jumps on your boat and attacks you because they want your GPS or fish finder. Disables your vessel and kidnaps one of your children. Holds you at gunpoint and rapes your wife. Anything that can happen on land can happen on water, difference is you could LITERALLY be where somebody could not hear you scream. Now if you're in waters that restrict it (like Big Creek Lake allows no weapons) that's one thing but if there is no restriction on it you have to use whatever means necessary, even lethal, to protect yourself and all the others on your boat. As far as notifying law enforcement if boarded, that is only if your state requires it or if you are asked. Besides that, if you are concealed carry and you leave it in your truck at the dock, that's a great opportunity for it to be stolen. You may not agree on the whole gun thing, and that's fine if that's how you feel, but for those of us who exercise that right (and for the select few, such as myself, who have actually had to use a firearm for defense) we feel it is even MORE necessary in the current times.
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Originally Posted by mdees88 View Post
Hmmmm, as a responsible gun owner, would it be better to.....

1) Leave my firearm in an unattended vehicle at a public boat ramp for half a day

or

2) Bring it on the boat so it stays in my possession?



How about any scenario humanly imaginable that has the potential of putting my life or the life of my friends or family in immediate danger.

WHY? The answer is simple....

#1 Because I can... 'MERICA
#2 It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.



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Looks like you beat me to it....
Nothing says responsible gun owner like firing into a constantly changing surface with no backstop to prevent a dangerous ricochet!
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We could use a whole other forum for questions that pop up about every two weeks.
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I have never needed my first aid kit, but I am going to keep carrying it. I have never needed my PLB, but I am going to keep carrying it. I have never needed my insurance either, but I am going to continue to carry it. Can someone delineate the downside to carrying things you'll likely never need?
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Nothing says responsible gun owner like firing into a constantly changing surface with no backstop to prevent a dangerous ricochet!
I'm sorry, I didn't see where I said I was
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firing into a constantly changing surface with no backstop to prevent a dangerous ricochet!
I said I carry it..... on the boat. If it ever got used on the boat the backstop would likely be someone's chest cavity which would stop or at least significantly slow down the Hornady critical defense hollow points. Or if someone drops the gaff overboard I might would poke a hole in a ling with it.

That said, richochets are a non issue in the gulf. If I were to shoot my pistol at a 45 degree angle pointed up in the sky the bullet wouldn't even go a mile and a half. You can see boats well over twice that distance. How far do you think a richochet's gunna go? Non issue....

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I was thinking my 22 mag pistol. It has a 30 shot mag, and a few clips and can be used for anything.
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Originally Posted by Jackfish2800 View Post
I was thinking my 22 mag pistol. It has a 30 shot mag, and a few clips and can be used for anything.
I'd bring the mags but probably leave the clips at the house....

As far as a dedicated boat gun I usually bring my NAA pug 22 mag. It's better than nothing and I shoot it enough to feel very confident I could hit a Ling in the head if we happen to lose the gaff.

First time I took it I carried it in my pocket and even though it's stainless it had rust on it at the end of the day so now every gun I bring on the boat goes in a pelican case. I would recommend that, especially if you value your gun. This one's so small it easily fits in my tackle bag and no one's the wiser.









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Originally Posted by mdees88 View Post
I'd bring the mags but probably leave the clips at the house....

As far as a dedicated boat gun I usually bring my NAA pug 22 mag. It's better than nothing and I shoot it enough to feel very confident I could hit a Ling in the head if we happen to lose the gaff.

First time I took it I carried it in my pocket and even though it's stainless it had rust on it at the end of the day so now every gun I bring on the boat goes in a pelican case. I would recommend that, especially if you value your gun. This one's so small it easily fits in my tackle bag and no one's the wiser.








He's probably indoctrinating the next generation.....
Sorry committed the mortal sin for gun nuts and confused clip with a magazine. Please let’s keep this on the DL. Lol
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Originally Posted by Jackfish2800 View Post
After all this talk about “private numbers” there is no such thing as any wildlife officer to explain it to you, and these nut jobs I am wondering should I start carrying a gun with me on my boat. What are the rules and laws on this?
If you don't know the "rules and laws" on this, do the rest of us gun owners a favor and leave it in the box.

If you need it to protect your numbers, see above.

Short answer, no.
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I was thinking my 22 mag pistol. It has a 30 shot mag, and a few clips and can be used for anything.
PMR-30's are pretty darned cool. It looks like Kel-Tec has worked most of the bugs out.
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This is completely real, I trailer to SPI every so often and the arsenal gets augmented.
I have fished the Gulf of Mexico off the border of Texas and Mexico for 60 years, often trolling into Mexican waters and never, ever felt threatened in any way. I grew up fishing the mouth of the Rio Grande River and camping on Boca Chica Beach at the mouth of the Rio Grande River and have never, ever felt threatened. Hell, on U.S. holidays like the 4th of July we would sometimes go to the Mexican beach to avoid the crowds. Again, never felt threatened. The deal at Falcon lake, 100 miles inland may be different.
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Were you ever a victim of criminal activity, piracy, drunks, bullies, etc....? Com'on' get real...What are you intending to do if "they" are violent? Shout them down?

Originally Posted by Bison View Post
Please explain to me a situation, in US waters, by which anyone would employ a deadly weapon, loaded firearm while boating, especially, against another human. As stated in an earlier post sharks can be released with the hook; other fished gaffed and/or batted in the head before being boated. I have been boating since nine years of age on the Great Lakes, Mississippi River, Lake of the Ozark's, New York Finger Lakes, Erie Canal, British Virgin Islands, the Grenadines and now the Cape Fear Region of North Carolina, and at no time in 59 years of boating experiences did I ever feel the need to carry a firearm on a vessel.

Why? Under what possible scenario would one feel in need or empowered to carry a firearm on a recreational boat? The only possible reason, I could envision “to be packing” would be while long distance cruising in international waters in the vicinity of a rogue nation, and even then one has to assume to be seriously out matched in fire power.

Even if you are an individual who does not share my perspective, regarding fire arms and boats, what do you think your fate would be in court, under existing social tensions, should your weapon discharge either on purpose or accidentally and injure or kill another person? Further, simply brandishing a weapon for whatever reason will most probably result, at minimum in court appearance of some variety.

It is my understanding of North Carolina regulation firearms are not allowed at State launching ramps.
Except where facilities are provided and approved uses are posted, it is unlawful to use any public fishing area for purposes other than fishing. All prohibited uses and activities shall be posted including possession of loaded firearms (except as allowed in Paragraph (b) of this Rule), swimming, launching or mooring jet skis or boats, skiing, building fires, operating concessions, or other activities not directly associated with fishing.

As the “Coastie” said, above, no Federal Law precludes possession of a firearm on a boat, but is there a risk worth the dangers? If you are compelled to carry a firearm on your boat ensure that if you are ever boarded by law enforcement or USCG that the very first thing you tell them is a firearm is on the vessel and its exact location.
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard View Post
PMR-30's are pretty darned cool. It looks like Kel-Tec has worked most of the bugs out.
I followed the instructions, to the letter, on how to load .22WMR rounds into the magazine and it STILL jams. I'm not "feeling the love" for my PMR-30. I need a gun like my S&W 22Victory... that gun is 110% reliable and easier to load than someone else loading it for you. :-D Just wish it had a shorter barrel... I'd "carry it" with me then!

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