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Old 12-09-2019, 12:08 AM
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Default Venice fog/ December???

Got quite a few days off between now and 2020 and the added snapper quota has me checking forecasts daily. I have never fished this late that I can remember and was wondering about the fog on the river. Is it an issue this time of the year and if so what should I be looking for (weather/temp forecasts) to expect it or not? Thanks
Old 12-09-2019, 08:51 AM
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it was last week some days. so yes, we are in fog season. I am not sure about predicting it, but generally it'll be on days that you want to fish, little or no wind. Just be prepared to deal with it or have the time to wait it out. like leave the dock late and come back in early
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I went yesterday and the river had no fog, but I have seen fog on the river in December.
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Radar and AIS are key to running the river in the fog / slip out red pass / baptiste collette for less exposure
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If you have never ran the river in fog, you may want to hire a guide one day. Venice fog can get pretty bad.
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My rule of thumb has frost in the morning (means no wind) and warming to 60’s during day. This usually will mean no fog and decent day for off shore.
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Cold water and light southerly warm moist wind will get you. Had less than 100 feet vis on Turkey day offshore west central Florida. A little early in the year for it but the right conditions it can happen.

Those are the conditions usually right in front of a cold front approaching. The same conditions that make calm seas and the fish bite can get you killed.

SEA FOG SUCKS!

Advection fog

Advection fog occurs when moist, warm air passes over a colder surface and is cooled. A common example of this is when a warm front passes over an area with snow cover. It is also common at sea when moist tropical air moves over cooler waters. If the wind blows in the right direction, then sea fog can become transported over coastal land areas.
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River water is at 50 or below now. Fog is a concern through February. Warm days with a light south wind can be a problem. Venice fog is like none you have ever dealt with. Can be so thick you can't see the bow of your own boat.
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I have been less than 100 yards from large trans continental ships and couldn't even see them. When the fog is really thick they randomly blow their horn every once in a while and it will almost make you crap your pants when your that close! VHF channel are 68 in the River and 13 in the passes. If you have AIS you can see the vessel direction and name. as I am approaching or being approached by any vessel in the fog I make sure i have radio contact with them.... IT is very intense until you get out of that river channel!! Striker Tackle is correct about hiring a guide if you have not run it in the fog before. I am still not comfortable with it and generally have a local guide with me when running it in the fog...... Having 2 people to talk through decisions and watch the instruments is helpful.
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Originally Posted by Twin Vee 26 View Post
I have been less than 100 yards from large trans continental ships and couldn't even see them. When the fog is really thick they randomly blow their horn every once in a while and it will almost make you crap your pants when your that close! VHF channel are 68 in the River and 13 in the passes. If you have AIS you can see the vessel direction and name. as I am approaching or being approached by any vessel in the fog I make sure i have radio contact with them.... IT is very intense until you get out of that river channel!! Striker Tackle is correct about hiring a guide if you have not run it in the fog before. I am still not comfortable with it and generally have a local guide with me when running it in the fog...... Having 2 people to talk through decisions and watch the instruments is helpful.
Think you mean 67 in the river (for commercial traffic). Agree on dividing instrument responsibilities, the fog can be terrifying.
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Yep 67. Didn’t catch the typo. Thank you
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Run southwest pass several times in ridiculous fog, stayed 30 ft from the shoreline, ALWAYS able to see it, shallow water, 10ft or less, just above idle, fog usually lifted within a few miles, still sketchy at best, return was same thing....NEVER in the dark and fog...stressful but doable
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Thanks for all the input. I was pretty much expecting a decent forecast for fishing would also be a forecast for fog.
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Two people at least looking at instruments. (Including capt)

at least one looking forward from the bow (often a cold experience) that gives hand signals if they see something

Take your time. Barely on a plane is how I run

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Originally Posted by Contender05 View Post
Two people at least looking at instruments. (Including capt)

at least one looking forward from the bow (often a cold experience) that gives hand signals if they see something

Take your time. Barely on a plane is how I run
This is some good info. Venice Fog can be intense added with everything else in the river.
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Originally Posted by slickster View Post
Run southwest pass several times in ridiculous fog, stayed 30 ft from the shoreline, ALWAYS able to see it, shallow water, 10ft or less, just above idle, fog usually lifted within a few miles, still sketchy at best, return was same thing....NEVER in the dark and fog...stressful but doable
For those unfamiliar with SW pass this could be disastrous - the wing dams are deadly.
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Originally Posted by Striker Tackle View Post
If you have never ran the river in fog, you may want to hire a guide one day stay home. Venice fog can get pretty bad.
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Originally Posted by nola 521dvx View Post
For those unfamiliar with SW pass this could be disastrous - the wing dams are deadly.
Double extra no chit to that. With the OP just wanting to catch a few snaps - much better to just roll out of Red pass and then a quick run south.
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Do not take slickster's advice. Hugging the bank can easily get you grounded in main river. Also SW pass has the dangerous wing dams. Also you are putting yourself in the channel with the most commercial traffic.
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Originally Posted by slickster View Post
Run southwest pass several times in ridiculous fog, stayed 30 ft from the shoreline, ALWAYS able to see it, shallow water, 10ft or less, just above idle, fog usually lifted within a few miles, still sketchy at best, return was same thing....NEVER in the dark and fog...stressful but doable
this is a really bad idea!! If you don’t at least have radar and know how to use it do not leave dock!!!! I wouldn’t even run red pass without it in the fog.
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Another consideration is watching your radar for what’s coming from behind you

was offshore last winter in the open gulf running 28 knots or so (slow as I can go on a plane) . Thick fog out there and a boat came from behind me running at least 40. Came up on me fast. I saw him but still this is a risk. He went around me but it was still a little unnerving

Absolute awareness at all times in River, passes and gulf is important. Can’t relax at all in that fog

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