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Old 04-23-2019, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by SHEGONE View Post
Regardless of the semantics regarding the word voluntary, when you pay, and how you come up with your fishing friends

Here's something I have thought about and try and stay with me here:

Could you come up with your cost per mile, plus bait, tackle, ice, food? You run a triple engine CC with 300 verados. Those engines cost you $60,000 and say a good life expectancy is 2,000 hours. High side you average 20 knots with idle time which works out to 40,000 nautical miles or $1.50 per mile (i think this is conservative). you average 1 MPG and gas is $3.50 per gallon. That means you spend $5.00 per mile without maintenance and repair costs or paying wear and tear on the boat, insurance, storage, etc. You do a 200 nm trip so a true operating cost is $1,000 plus bait, ice, and groceries you are definitely not profiting in this formula, but you aren't paying that additional $1.50 per mile that isnt being shared on top of the numerous other costs that are not seen by your fishing friends.
That's like trying to calculate the price of deer meat by the pound.

I refuse to do that kind of math (and I used to be a professor of math and comp sci haha).
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Old 04-23-2019, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SHEGONE View Post
Regardless of the semantics regarding the word voluntary, when you pay, and how you come up with your fishing friends

Here's something I have thought about and try and stay with me here:

Could you come up with your cost per mile, plus bait, tackle, ice, food? You run a triple engine CC with 300 verados. Those engines cost you $60,000 and say a good life expectancy is 2,000 hours. High side you average 20 knots with idle time which works out to 40,000 nautical miles or $1.50 per mile (i think this is conservative). you average 1 MPG and gas is $3.50 per gallon. That means you spend $5.00 per mile without maintenance and repair costs or paying wear and tear on the boat, insurance, storage, etc. You do a 200 nm trip so a true operating cost is $1,000 plus bait, ice, and groceries you are definitely not profiting in this formula, but you aren't paying that additional $1.50 per mile that isnt being shared on top of the numerous other costs that are not seen by your fishing friends.
Don't forget to factor in the cost per trip for the fishing reels. A $400 reel might only last 200 trips. Hell bean bags have a set life expectancy too, so be sure to calculate that.
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Old 04-23-2019, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard View Post
Don't forget to factor in the cost per trip for the fishing reels. A $400 reel might only last 200 trips. Hell bean bags have a set life expectancy too, so be sure to calculate that.
Are we talking about bean bags in Venice or elsewhere?
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Originally Posted by mwgoldman View Post


Are we talking about bean bags in Venice or elsewhere?

Venice bags have an extra short life span. That''s gotta translate to at least a 25 cent per trip upcharge.
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Old 04-24-2019, 08:32 AM
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I predicted the add would be deleted. what exactly happened here. hope the Guy didn't lose his vessel and gear and was just slapped on on the wrist w/ a fine. sorry if I missed it didn't read the whole thread.
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Old 04-24-2019, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Stevethebrain View Post
I predicted the add would be deleted. what exactly happened here. hope the Guy didn't lose his vessel and gear and was just slapped on on the wrist w/ a fine. sorry if I missed it didn't read the whole thread.
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He is just trying a new tactic.

https://batonrouge.craigslist.org/va...854549689.html

"We have a 36ft Hatteras Yacht with full amenities and brand new interior and furniture, including 40" led Smart TV's, granite countertops, BBQ grill, full bathroom with shower, microwave, Satelite tv, Blu-ray, wifi, fridge, ac, led flood lighting, 1000 watt indoor/outdoor surround sound, and sleeps 4 adults comfortably. Rates:
1 nite- 100
2 nite weekend-150
5 day week-400
Rates during events and holidays may be higher, weekday rates are available.
Damage deposit is required and refunded at checkout.
Boat can also be rented for travel and fishing. Contact with questions. If you have never slept on a Yacht you can't imagine the relaxing feel of the gentle motion as it rocks you to sleep. Text is best. Thanks."

Guess it will now turn into a tread about the legalities associated with a Bareboat/Demise Charter.

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Old 04-24-2019, 12:03 PM
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dam this Guy unfortunately has to learn the hard way, will proballey cost him big$ or his vessel and gear or both.

I was hopping this thread would bring him to his senses.

a sting operation is inevitable or he's somebody w/ some pull

he's proballey is a nice Guy and excellent fisherman however he's needs to reconsider his tactic's. my next prediction is he'll be made an example of kindof sad for him good news is when they auction off his vessel someone will have a nice cruiser w/ new corian tops and all that other stuff.
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Old 04-24-2019, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Stevethebrain View Post
dam this Guy unfortunately has to learn the hard way, will proballey cost him big$ or his vessel and gear or both.

I was hopping this thread would bring him to his senses.

a sting operation is inevitable or he's somebody w/ some pull

he's proballey is a nice Guy and excellent fisherman however he's needs to reconsider his tactic's. my next prediction is he'll be made an example of kindof sad for him good news is when they auction off his vessel someone will have a nice cruiser w/ new corian tops and all that other stuff.
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Some people just don't get it. Buddy of mine's ex-wife worked for a guy who seemed kind of questionable. She went to Colorado to supervise an apartment renovation on a property he owned. When they finished instead of flying back, he wanted her to rent a 15 passenger van and drive the 10 Hispanic construction workers to Alabama........she said no-way. He later had her gathering information on radar for a sport fishing/commercial boat. That was not so odd until the black SUV shows up at my buddies house and they want to know if she knew why this dude was pricing these units by the dozen. Apparently he was working a scheme with someone who was going to sell them to the Iranian Navy. Not too long after that her rental house burned down with her company lap top and company phone inside.........Hmmmmm?

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Old 04-24-2019, 01:42 PM
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Love when people help with expenses... never understand when it is required....if I cannot afford to go fishing, should not buy the boat.
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Old 04-24-2019, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by xl883lo View Post
He is just trying a new tactic.

https://batonrouge.craigslist.org/va...854549689.html

"We have a 36ft Hatteras Yacht with full amenities and brand new interior and furniture, including 40" led Smart TV's, granite countertops, BBQ grill, full bathroom with shower, microwave, Satelite tv, Blu-ray, wifi, fridge, ac, led flood lighting, 1000 watt indoor/outdoor surround sound, and sleeps 4 adults comfortably. Rates:
1 nite- 100
2 nite weekend-150
5 day week-400
Rates during events and holidays may be higher, weekday rates are available.
Damage deposit is required and refunded at checkout.
Boat can also be rented for travel and fishing. Contact with questions. If you have never slept on a Yacht you can't imagine the relaxing feel of the gentle motion as it rocks you to sleep. Text is best. Thanks."

Guess it will now turn into a tread about the legalities associated with a Bareboat/Demise Charter.
This is some funny chit but created a hell of a thread as this topic has been discussed over and over on THT!

F THE SPELLING TEST.

We need a comprehension test!
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Old 04-24-2019, 06:34 PM
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This thread has inspired me to start a new website called fishbook. A site for finding fishing buddies who volunteer to help with expenses. It’s going to be the bomb diggity.
I won’t use it myself, I prefer to fish alone most of the time, I just like to see people get all triggered. Kind of a hobby these days.
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Old 04-24-2019, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by speckslayer View Post
This thread has inspired me to start a new website called fishbook. A site for finding fishing buddies who volunteer to help with expenses. It’s going to be the bomb diggity.
I won’t use it myself, I prefer to fish alone most of the time, I just like to see people get all triggered. Kind of a hobby these days.
haha! Someone already did. I'm not a member myself but I did check it out after this thread started. https://www.fishwithme.net/. Regardless, every fishing forum I'm on has a hitchhikers thread.
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Old 04-24-2019, 08:27 PM
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I don't know why I keep bothering with this conversation.

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This^^^^^^^

Someone else also talked about liability. What you gonna do when your internet new found friend who you know very little about serves you with a lawsuit that you hurt his back when you were offshore and you asked for him to pay for half the fuel.

He forgot to tell you he had a bad disc in his spine. You folks better make sure your insurance company has your back.

God forbid your new found friend cuts the shit out of himself or some other injury. He is gonna sing like a canary during any investigation and will say he was asked to pay some expenses to go on this trip.

Or the guy that gets pissed that the cost sharing trip he went on cost him 400 bucks and he didn't catch shit. You get boarded on the way in and he starts singing to the law about paying.


That is why I carry charter liability insurance, proper credentials and it's not cheap.

So keep spitting hairs and expenses guys. You get the wrong guy from your fishing dating forums and you might want to rethink the dating game your playing. You get into a legal or civil matter and the discovery process shows a pattern of this little scheme, your gonna have some issues.
I'm more worried about the friend of a friend who gets invited who has never fished before than someone I met on my fishing "dating" forums. And thats why umbrella insurance has been invented. If you don't have it, look into it.

Originally Posted by rbhankins001 View Post
Post #76 is 100% false.

Your statement is very different, and also illegal btw. Good luck fishing.
#76 is not 100% false. No game warden is going to ticket a private boater captain for one of his fishing buddies handing him $40 in gas money before the trip. Even if he did, it will be nearly impossible to prove in a court of law that he was running an illegal charter. Absolutely ridiculous.

And no, my statement is not illegal. I would absolutely love for a game warden or a USCG official to give me a ticket for telling my friend to show up with bait after I told him we aren't going fishing unless you bring bait. You realize you sound absolutely ludicrous right now.

We caught fish. thanks :-)

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Boy, are they! My friends in the business in S. Florida it seems like it's all they talk about. They are glad too.
I'm glad they are cracking down on illegal charters. But I'm sorry guys, finding people online to share expenses or telling my buddy he can't come unless he pitches in for gas money / bait / food is not an illegal charter.
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Old 04-25-2019, 07:10 AM
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One things for sure, I’ll make sure my friends never have to pay some greedy dude $1000 for 4 hours of fishing.
Have a nice day y’all!
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Originally Posted by BiggTuna View Post
But I'm sorry guys, finding people online to share expenses or telling my buddy he can't come unless he pitches in for gas money / bait / food is not an illegal charter.
Yes it is. Let me lay out an analogy for you. You may never find a highway patrolman who would write you up for going 72 in a 70 zone, but that does not mean that statutorily going 72 does not amount to an offense.
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Originally Posted by Paul Barnard View Post
Yes it is. Let me lay out an analogy for you. You may never find a highway patrolman who would write you up for going 72 in a 70 zone, but that does not mean that statutorily going 72 does not amount to an offense.
Yup, but there are a million other thing law enforcement should be worried about. This should be at the very bottom of the list.
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What if you said it was a free trip and no money is required for the trip but if they do not pay their share of expenses they will never be invited again? Not a condition for this carriage.

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Doesn’t matter. He’ll charter all summer. Nobody cares except the competition. Unless one of the other charter captains has a buddy enforcement officer nobody is going to do anything. There are bigger fish to fry than an unlicensed charter operator going out a couple times a week. The coast guard is worried about smuggling. The fish guys have other stuff. This is a moot point. If someone gets injured then something will happen and civil suits will push it. Till then he’s going to undercut the licensed captains and not pay taxes. It’s the American way like collecting unemployment and working a side job
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I'm with you on this one. I do a 2 week rolling family vacation in Grand Isle every year. I have the boat and the camp, And do my best and make sure everybody catches fish. I am totally expecting them to "share"the expenses. If I have to reach for my wallet with 6 other fisherman I am going to be totally disappointed
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Originally Posted by lickwid8er View Post
I'm with you on this one. I do a 2 week rolling family vacation in Grand Isle every year. I have the boat and the camp, And do my best and make sure everybody catches fish. I am totally expecting them to "share"the expenses. If I have to reach for my wallet with 6 other fisherman I am going to be totally disappointed
You should be and I would too! I stopped an annual trip with some guys that were friends of my best friend. We always had an "understanding" but somehow my friend and I always got screwed. He didn't care because he invited them. It pissed me off so I stopped it. I agree that if I invite I pay and don't mind, but this was not the case. $20 from a couple of guys at the fuel dock when the fuel is $400 is bullshit. That won't even cover the ice. And don't get me started on the beer/food run!
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