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Old 04-11-2019, 04:21 PM
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So thankful that we have a voice in snapper; however, one must ask the question: "why does the commercial fleet ever reach their quota?" The recs seem to reach their quota quickly. ????
Why is the commercial fleet allowed to harvest amberjack and the recs not. The commercial season closed from March to May this year.
We haven't had a shot at them.
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Old 04-11-2019, 05:35 PM
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bc you are gettin 100% effed

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Old 04-11-2019, 06:08 PM
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The commercial guys quota is reached when he catches it. They don't have a season. They go when they want to and have to quit when the quota they hold has been caught. That is unless they can find someone else to sell them some more
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Old 04-12-2019, 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by briankinley2004 View Post
The commercial guys quota is reached when he catches it. They don't have a season. They go when they want to and have to quit when the quota they hold has been caught. That is unless they can find someone else to sell them some more
Imagine that. A personal limit that allows you to go out and catch your quota when weather, time, maintenance and freezer space allows. Sounds a lot more convenient and safer and less frustrating than the current snapper/trigger/aj derbies!
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Old 04-12-2019, 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by bluescholar View Post
Imagine that. A personal limit that allows you to go out and catch your quota when weather, time, maintenance and freezer space allows. Sounds a lot more convenient and safer and less frustrating than the current snapper/trigger/aj derbies!
That is for the very small group that was "GIFTED" a public resource, our fish. There is not enough quota for everyone to have a "personal limit".
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Old 04-12-2019, 08:45 AM
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one thing i noticed on social media of commercial guys weighing snapper is that they appear to be gutted when they come off the boat. Maybe i saw it wrong and maybe the fish were gutted after weighing but its seems like that could buy the commercial guys some extra fish every year since the guts are possibly never being weighed where for us recreational folks the whole fish counts. It doesnt seem like a lot but a couple ounces with that many fish adds up.

this is purely speculative on my part just something i was wondering.
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They ARE gutted prior to sale...
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Originally Posted by bluescholar View Post
Imagine that. A personal limit that allows you to go out and catch your quota when weather, time, maintenance and freezer space allows. Sounds a lot more convenient and safer and less frustrating than the current snapper/trigger/aj derbies!
Yes, imagine indeed.. Sounds almost too good to be true.. This is exactly what I have been harping/clamoring for for years.. It is really simple thing to do.. Have a mandatory registration.. Assign XXX amount to each participant whether it be pounds total or count.. Have them report (like now) what they have caught.. When you reach your personal quota, done.. Fish when, how you want.. Just seems too easy to me..
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I'll say it again. That is for the very small group that was "GIFTED" a public resource, our fish. There is not enough quota for everyone to have a "personal limit". We just got state management approved, which we have been fighting for years and you guys want to start talking IFQ's. SMDH
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Originally Posted by macabear View Post
Yes, imagine indeed.. Sounds almost too good to be true.. This is exactly what I have been harping/clamoring for for years.. It is really simple thing to do.. Have a mandatory registration.. Assign XXX amount to each participant whether it be pounds total or count.. Have them report (like now) what they have caught.. When you reach your personal quota, done.. Fish when, how you want.. Just seems too easy to me..
Theres not a finite number of anglers like there is commercial reef permits. What do you you do when someone moves in from Indiana and buys a license and takes 1/1000th of one of your fish? Too many variables in numbers of participants.
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Theres not a finite number of anglers like there is commercial reef permits. What do you you do when someone moves in from Indiana and buys a license and takes 1/1000th of one of your fish? Too many variables in numbers of participants.
They WILL be selling catch shares soon!!!

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Old 04-13-2019, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Dufrsp31 View Post
I'll say it again. That is for the very small group that was "GIFTED" a public resource, our fish. There is not enough quota for everyone to have a "personal limit". We just got state management approved, which we have been fighting for years and you guys want to start talking IFQ's. SMDH
How many people, in Alabama, fish for red snapper? I am grateful for the state oversight.. But lets be honest, it will go away when another liberal gets in office.. You and I both know that..
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Theres not a finite number of anglers like there is commercial reef permits. What do you you do when someone moves in from Indiana and buys a license and takes 1/1000th of one of your fish? Too many variables in numbers of participants.
We do it with hunting for deer, turkeys, etc..... Why not snapper?
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Originally Posted by bluescholar View Post
Imagine that. A personal limit that allows you to go out and catch your quota when weather, time, maintenance and freezer space allows. Sounds a lot more convenient and safer and less frustrating than the current snapper/trigger/aj derbies!
What is your formula for assigning the personal quota?
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Originally Posted by macabear View Post
We do it with hunting for deer, turkeys, etc..... Why not snapper?
No you don’t. There’s a limited amount of snapper allowed to be killed. They only limit how many deer and turkeys YOU can kill as an individual. The only way to make your comparison work is to create a lottery like Kansas deer tags.
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Originally Posted by macabear View Post
We do it with hunting for deer, turkeys, etc..... Why not snapper?
If this was done with snapper, only about 1/4 of anglers would get to catch ONE snapper. The amount of fish allowed by the quota( couple million) compared to the amount of saltwater fishing licences sold along the gulf coat (6-8 million maybe more can not recall) is not even close to the same.

What you suggest is about the worst possbile outcome for REC anglers as many millions each year would not get there named drawn to catch a snapper and would have a ZERO day season for them.


REC only need to worry about REC fishermen. Now that the states have control over red snapper, REC need to push for states to control the REC season for all species of fish. Let the commercial fishermen do whatever they want, stop fighting with them and concertrate all resources from REC's to get the gulf states in control of all species of fish for REC fishermen.
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Originally Posted by Jeepman View Post
If this was done with snapper, only about 1/4 of anglers would get to catch ONE snapper. The amount of fish allowed by the quota( couple million) compared to the amount of saltwater fishing licences sold along the gulf coat (6-8 million maybe more can not recall) is not even close to the same.

What you suggest is about the worst possbile outcome for REC anglers as many millions each year would not get there named drawn to catch a snapper and would have a ZERO day season for them.


REC only need to worry about REC fishermen. Now that the states have control over red snapper, REC need to push for states to control the REC season for all species of fish. Let the commercial fishermen do whatever they want, stop fighting with them and concertrate all resources from REC's to get the gulf states in control of all species of fish for REC fishermen.
I am not talking about the entire gulf coast, I was talking about Alabama fisherman.. But you all may be right, I thought it was an idea though..
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More reefs x1000000000
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More reefs x1000000000
100% yes....
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100% yes....
Your state is THE example on how to do a reef program.
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