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Old 02-13-2018, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mkalink View Post
There is only one brand of trolling bags to buy and most here will agree. Amish outfitters makes the best trolling bags on the market.
They make a good bag, but I would not discount Classic 25's products.
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by mkalink View Post
There is only one brand of trolling bags to buy and most here will agree. Amish outfitters makes the best trolling bags on the market.
I have a vary old set of Amish outfitters bags. I've had them for probably 15 years now. Back then there really weren't a lot of choices, other than the cheep drift socks that just never held up.
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Downrod View Post
I am searching for a new rig for the upcoming season. Many of the boats that I am looking at have twin 4 stroke yamahas (225,250).
My question is how do you slow troll for walleye with that set up?
I cant really see adding a 3rd motor to the transom. Do trolling bags allow you to get a 250 hp motor down to 1 mph?
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Two 48" bags, running on one 250 will get me just below 1 mph on a calm day in my 315 Pursuit. Play around with the throttle and trim tabs a little and I can usually dial it in.
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There is only one brand of trolling bags to buy and most here will agree. Amish outfitters makes the best trolling bags on the market.
A perfect illustration of the only point I'm trying to make.

People use everything from buckets to drift socks as drag in trolling applications. Trolling bags, by design are built for use while under way, and under constant (powered) load. The drift socks and buckets and drift socks will get the job done in some cases, but longer term, its always best practice to use the right tool for the job. The caveat here is, if it works for you, and you're happy with it, so be it.

Amish Outfitters used to advertise the "open diameter" as being the sizing measurement on their web site. It's no longer listed. Or, if it is, I can't seem to locate it. I have no reason to believe they've changed the way they measure their product. Another popular brand is Big Papa.

They measure their bag (copy and paste from their web site)
6 size bags for every boat size - Size is measured along the curve of the wide end when the bag is laying flat.

In reality, when comparing sizes, the Big Papa 36" bag is almost 40% smaller than the Amish outfitters 36" bag when you break down the actual measurement. Yet, they're both sold as 36" bags.

That's my only point here. Eventually you'll end up on another site that has a very active western Lake Erie group of fishermen. There's a lot of cheerleaders for each brand of bag. Usually they reply like the guy here above did, (who has never used all the products on the market) or things like "nuff said". Just be aware that sizing bags to your boat if you choose this route will take some time. And, it may take a couple of sizes of bags to handle your needs. Especially if you're going to fish the very early (and very late), very cold water season in addition to the warm water walleye migration.
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Old 02-14-2018, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by draggenballs View Post
I have a vary old set of Amish outfitters bags. I've had them for probably 15 years now. Back then there really weren't a lot of choices, other than the cheep drift socks that just never held up.
I've been using mine for 12 years or so and they are still holding up just fine. Nothing against the product Classic 25 markets. They appear to be a great product. Just giving my opinion, on the product that I have experience using. If you buy Amish Outfitters trolling bags you won't need to replace them anytime soon.
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Old 02-14-2018, 03:20 PM
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Buy a couple different size Trolling Bags depending on conditions and how slow you are looking to get. Rigged off midship / springline cleat and rear trip line off stern cleat. Problem solved
Does anyone have a photo to post of what this looks like when underway? I'm also interested in trolling bags, but have a hard time visualizing the setup.

I found the two photos online, but they raise questions. In the first photo the bags are on the boat sides (presumably lowered when underway). When underway, wouldn't they partially flatten against and also scratch the boat's sides? In the second photo, I can't imagine how you'd get the bags underneath the boat, and up again.

I don't want bags anywhere near or behind my prop, nor scratching up my boat's sides.

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The first photo is how most people have them set up. When deployed the rear of the bag sits about where it does in the pic. The bag straps are a seatbelt type material, soft nylon. In use the bag only comes in contact with the hull when being blown sideways. Keeping the rear line just long enough to have the bag completely in the water won't allow enough play to get near your prop. The only marks I ever got on the boat itself were rub marks from the forward line rubbing on the hull. A length of vinyl hose on the line in the contact area took care of that. Not sure what's going on in the second pic...
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Originally Posted by Sky Blue H2O View Post
Does anyone have a photo to post of what this looks like when underway? I'm also interested in trolling bags, but have a hard time visualizing the setup.

I found the two photos online, but they raise questions. In the first photo the bags are on the boat sides (presumably lowered when underway). When underway, wouldn't they partially flatten against and also scratch the boat's sides? In the second photo, I can't imagine how you'd get the bags underneath the boat, and up again.

I don't want bags anywhere near or behind my prop, nor scratching up my boat's sides.

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Thats actually my boat in the top picture.
The deployed picture is on the web site.
http://www.g2outfitters.com/trolling-bags.html

Keep in mind, the bag and the boat are traveling at the same speed. Any contact that occurs would be negligible. I have no marks on my hull after man many season.

As for that other picture? I have to attribute that to winter time problem solving by guys that can't wait to go fishing. I'd NEVER do something like that!
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I think the second picture is from a small "walleye tournament style" boat 18-20'. I saw a system like this used by some of the "touring pros" on the little boats 10 years or so ago and it was pretty goofy - making something real simple more difficult and creating a potential safety issue on a little boat stuffing the bow.

The photos on Classic 25s website show the common orientation of trolling bags on typical Great Lakes boats. I've always used a separate line for the back trip line going to the stern cleat rather than the single line pictured but either way works fine and no issue with bags getting into props when rigged off the sides as pictured by Classic 25. The key especially on inboard boats is keeping the lines and especially the rear "trip line" just long enough to allow the bag to fully deploy in the roughest water you will fish, but short enough that the bags won't "wander" under the boat and potentially get into running gear on twin inboard setups.

People tend to WAY OVERTHINK trolling bags. Main thing is to take 15-20 minutes ONE TIME and set them up to proper lengths so all you need to do is loop them off your cleats and you are good to go.

The people that have "problems" with trolling bags typically have TOO MUCH LINE OUT and more typically don't take the time to set the lines properly and every time they set the bags they have different amount of line out.
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Old 02-25-2018, 06:24 PM
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Thanks guys for the feedback on the pictures of the trolling bags.

My boat is in a rack stored valet service, so an electric trolling motor is out (can’t recharge it), and a kicker motor will interfere with the forklift’s tongs (unless I can get it on a swing up mount).
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Old 03-07-2018, 06:07 AM
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You could also just install trolling plate to the motors. I use to use bags but I found the plates work very well
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Old 03-07-2018, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by browndog15 View Post
Cove Cruiser, Did you buy your Hydrasport from South Shore last year? Nice boat. I looked at one a few times there last winter, but went a different route.
browndog15,

Yep, we bought the Hydra Sports from South Shore. I love it, great boat for walleye fishing on Erie. The wife isn't all that excited about the boat though.. She'd like to get a bigger boat that's a bow rider for pleasure boating and cruising.

We've been looking at the Grady White Freedom 307. It may give both of us what we are wanting in a boat - good day boating and a solid fishing platform. We'll see.
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Old 03-07-2018, 03:50 PM
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I opted for a 101 thrust pound engine mount electric trolling motor. Upside, it’s quiet, saves hours on my outboard and doesn’t ugly up the aft end for family sandbar time. Downside, 150 lbs of batteries. Last year was my first year boating. 2017 Robalo R222ES with 200 HP Mercury Verado. I have no problems maintaining 1.1 to 1.3 mph in 2 ft chop on the Bay of Green Bay. Only running at about 1/4 throttle on the helm mounted dial. Should get about 10 hours out of the 36V batteries.
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I just received a pair of trolling bags for my new to me Tiara from Classic25, I can tell you first hand they are top notch high quality trolling bags made for a lifetime of fishing. If you are in the market for trolling bags don't pass up G2 outfitters.
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Old 03-18-2018, 06:49 AM
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]Well, Classic 25 may disagree, slightly...

and a few others not knocking A/O but there not the only bags out there. I would buy 2 48" bags and just play with the throttle as mentioned
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Originally Posted by Monkey Business2 View Post
I just received a pair of trolling bags for my new to me Tiara from Classic25, I can tell you first hand they are top notch high quality trolling bags made for a lifetime of fishing. If you are in the market for trolling bags don't pass up G2 outfitters.
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Originally Posted by FreeByrd View Post
I think the second picture is from a small "walleye tournament style" boat 18-20'. I saw a system like this used by some of the "touring pros" on the little boats 10 years or so ago and it was pretty goofy - making something real simple more difficult and creating a potential safety issue on a little boat stuffing the bow.

The photos on Classic 25s website show the common orientation of trolling bags on typical Great Lakes boats. I've always used a separate line for the back trip line going to the stern cleat rather than the single line pictured but either way works fine and no issue with bags getting into props when rigged off the sides as pictured by Classic 25. The key especially on inboard boats is keeping the lines and especially the rear "trip line" just long enough to allow the bag to fully deploy in the roughest water you will fish, but short enough that the bags won't "wander" under the boat and potentially get into running gear on twin inboard setups.

People tend to WAY OVERTHINK trolling bags. Main thing is to take 15-20 minutes ONE TIME and set them up to proper lengths so all you need to do is loop them off your cleats and you are good to go.
The people that have "problems" with trolling bags typically have TOO MUCH LINE OUT and more typically don't take the time to set the lines properly and every time they set the bags they have different amount of line out.
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Actually The second picture was a method developed after testing several different layouts. It is easily deployed over the bow and easily secured to the opposite forward cleat retrieval is quick and simple and it gives the optimum boat steering. The bags are tied 18 inches from the centre. It is the best way to calm bow swing and is great for following an edge with the plotter using a TR1 I wouldn't run bags any other way.
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Old 04-07-2018, 03:04 PM
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For you guys trolling with outboards....Im looking at purchasing a boat that has twin Yamaha 200 HDPIs on it. Im concerned about trolling 1.8-3.5mph with the 2-stroke. Its the only thing holding me back from buying the boat. If the engines were 200hp 4 strokes it would be in my driveway already
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Originally Posted by JigStick View Post
For you guys trolling with outboards....Im looking at purchasing a boat that has twin Yamaha 200 HDPIs on it. Im concerned about trolling 1.8-3.5mph with the 2-stroke. Its the only thing holding me back from buying the boat. If the engines were 200hp 4 strokes it would be in my driveway already
I’m partial to my 4 strokes but I know a bunch of people that troll with 2 strokes with no issues other than smoke and noise. If the price is right pull the trigger.
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Old 04-07-2018, 05:27 PM
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Just troll upwind...
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Old 05-28-2018, 06:35 AM
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I crossed this bridge several years ago, even tho I'm not running outboards, the problem was the same. How to get below 2.5mph to troll for eyes. Did the trolling bags for a day and realised what a PITA they were.. Then it occurred to me that if I change the prop with a lower pitch prop I can achieve the speed I was after. So what if I lose top end speed, I'm not out there to win races, I'm out there to put fish in da box
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