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Old 02-13-2018, 08:25 PM   #21
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There is only one brand of trolling bags to buy and most here will agree. Amish outfitters makes the best trolling bags on the market.
They make a good bag, but I would not discount Classic 25's products.
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Old 02-14-2018, 10:27 AM   #22
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There is only one brand of trolling bags to buy and most here will agree. Amish outfitters makes the best trolling bags on the market.
I have a vary old set of Amish outfitters bags. I've had them for probably 15 years now. Back then there really weren't a lot of choices, other than the cheep drift socks that just never held up.
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I am searching for a new rig for the upcoming season. Many of the boats that I am looking at have twin 4 stroke yamahas (225,250).
My question is how do you slow troll for walleye with that set up?
I cant really see adding a 3rd motor to the transom. Do trolling bags allow you to get a 250 hp motor down to 1 mph?
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Two 48" bags, running on one 250 will get me just below 1 mph on a calm day in my 315 Pursuit. Play around with the throttle and trim tabs a little and I can usually dial it in.
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There is only one brand of trolling bags to buy and most here will agree. Amish outfitters makes the best trolling bags on the market.
A perfect illustration of the only point I'm trying to make.

People use everything from buckets to drift socks as drag in trolling applications. Trolling bags, by design are built for use while under way, and under constant (powered) load. The drift socks and buckets and drift socks will get the job done in some cases, but longer term, its always best practice to use the right tool for the job. The caveat here is, if it works for you, and you're happy with it, so be it.

Amish Outfitters used to advertise the "open diameter" as being the sizing measurement on their web site. It's no longer listed. Or, if it is, I can't seem to locate it. I have no reason to believe they've changed the way they measure their product. Another popular brand is Big Papa.

They measure their bag (copy and paste from their web site)
6 size bags for every boat size - Size is measured along the curve of the wide end when the bag is laying flat.

In reality, when comparing sizes, the Big Papa 36" bag is almost 40% smaller than the Amish outfitters 36" bag when you break down the actual measurement. Yet, they're both sold as 36" bags.

That's my only point here. Eventually you'll end up on another site that has a very active western Lake Erie group of fishermen. There's a lot of cheerleaders for each brand of bag. Usually they reply like the guy here above did, (who has never used all the products on the market) or things like "nuff said". Just be aware that sizing bags to your boat if you choose this route will take some time. And, it may take a couple of sizes of bags to handle your needs. Especially if you're going to fish the very early (and very late), very cold water season in addition to the warm water walleye migration.
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Old 02-14-2018, 11:53 AM   #24
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I have a vary old set of Amish outfitters bags. I've had them for probably 15 years now. Back then there really weren't a lot of choices, other than the cheep drift socks that just never held up.
I've been using mine for 12 years or so and they are still holding up just fine. Nothing against the product Classic 25 markets. They appear to be a great product. Just giving my opinion, on the product that I have experience using. If you buy Amish Outfitters trolling bags you won't need to replace them anytime soon.
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Buy a couple different size Trolling Bags depending on conditions and how slow you are looking to get. Rigged off midship / springline cleat and rear trip line off stern cleat. Problem solved
Does anyone have a photo to post of what this looks like when underway? I'm also interested in trolling bags, but have a hard time visualizing the setup.

I found the two photos online, but they raise questions. In the first photo the bags are on the boat sides (presumably lowered when underway). When underway, wouldn't they partially flatten against and also scratch the boat's sides? In the second photo, I can't imagine how you'd get the bags underneath the boat, and up again.

I don't want bags anywhere near or behind my prop, nor scratching up my boat's sides.

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The first photo is how most people have them set up. When deployed the rear of the bag sits about where it does in the pic. The bag straps are a seatbelt type material, soft nylon. In use the bag only comes in contact with the hull when being blown sideways. Keeping the rear line just long enough to have the bag completely in the water won't allow enough play to get near your prop. The only marks I ever got on the boat itself were rub marks from the forward line rubbing on the hull. A length of vinyl hose on the line in the contact area took care of that. Not sure what's going on in the second pic...
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Does anyone have a photo to post of what this looks like when underway? I'm also interested in trolling bags, but have a hard time visualizing the setup.

I found the two photos online, but they raise questions. In the first photo the bags are on the boat sides (presumably lowered when underway). When underway, wouldn't they partially flatten against and also scratch the boat's sides? In the second photo, I can't imagine how you'd get the bags underneath the boat, and up again.

I don't want bags anywhere near or behind my prop, nor scratching up my boat's sides.

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Thats actually my boat in the top picture.
The deployed picture is on the web site.
http://www.g2outfitters.com/trolling-bags.html

Keep in mind, the bag and the boat are traveling at the same speed. Any contact that occurs would be negligible. I have no marks on my hull after man many season.

As for that other picture? I have to attribute that to winter time problem solving by guys that can't wait to go fishing. I'd NEVER do something like that!
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I think the second picture is from a small "walleye tournament style" boat 18-20'. I saw a system like this used by some of the "touring pros" on the little boats 10 years or so ago and it was pretty goofy - making something real simple more difficult and creating a potential safety issue on a little boat stuffing the bow.

The photos on Classic 25s website show the common orientation of trolling bags on typical Great Lakes boats. I've always used a separate line for the back trip line going to the stern cleat rather than the single line pictured but either way works fine and no issue with bags getting into props when rigged off the sides as pictured by Classic 25. The key especially on inboard boats is keeping the lines and especially the rear "trip line" just long enough to allow the bag to fully deploy in the roughest water you will fish, but short enough that the bags won't "wander" under the boat and potentially get into running gear on twin inboard setups.

People tend to WAY OVERTHINK trolling bags. Main thing is to take 15-20 minutes ONE TIME and set them up to proper lengths so all you need to do is loop them off your cleats and you are good to go.

The people that have "problems" with trolling bags typically have TOO MUCH LINE OUT and more typically don't take the time to set the lines properly and every time they set the bags they have different amount of line out.
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