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Old 10-13-2017, 05:57 PM   #41
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I am sorry...my bad. Sportsman (18 degree deadrise and dryweight 2750#'s)...tidewater (20 degree deadrise and dryweight 3200). Actually...i know design has alot to do with performance but based on those 2 variables...the tidewater should be better. I was trying to help ya out and didn't even realize it. So you're going to bet me (24 degree deadrise and 6200#'s) with twins? Hahaha...okay...

Should add...a Lou Codega design. One of the top naval architect ever.
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Yup, his boat goes out when your Regulator stays at home. 👌🏼
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Old 10-13-2017, 07:25 PM   #43
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Old 10-14-2017, 08:21 AM   #44
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Yup, his boat goes out when your Regulator stays at home. 👌🏼
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I am sorry...my bad. Sportsman (18 degree deadrise and dryweight 2750#'s)...tidewater (20 degree deadrise and dryweight 3200). Actually...i know design has alot to do with performance but based on those 2 variables...the tidewater should be better. I was trying to help ya out and didn't even realize it. So you're going to bet me (24 degree deadrise and 6200#'s) with twins? Hahaha...okay...

Should add...a Lou Codega design. One of the top naval architect ever.


See, this is what I'm talking about. You would think more weight would be better because of old school thought process. But these boats are designed with so much balance it's not the case. Instead of plowing through them, it rides on top of them. You guys laugh all you want. I'm truely amazed at this boat. Come for a ride sometime. I started by saying I had back surgery. 4 level fusion. Couldn't walk before surgery. This boat is awesome for me. Smooth ride and at rest I can actually troll in 3 to 5's without getting tossed around. I have trolled beam on and it's not a problem. I've owned many boats including pilot houses and have never fished a platform this stable at rest. Also, if th op wants to make the wife happy, this will do it. She will lov the comforts of a cc with forward seating. She will go a lot more.
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Old 10-18-2017, 10:06 AM   #46
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I have boated fairly extensively in Ontario, Erie and Huron. Personally, I do not think it matters what boat you purchase as you are always at the mercy of the short chop.

I think that the best approach is to decide what boat suits your fishing, budget and towing abilities and then use it when the weather permits.
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Old 10-18-2017, 12:00 PM   #47
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Cats handle every kind of wave much better then Vhulls when meeting the waves head-on. Handling following seas takes some getting used to but it is very manageable once you learn how to drive a cat. Having the engines mounted a bit further back also helps with the ride. Cats also have way more room inside and are generally more fuel efficient. They also do not lean when everyone is on the same side of the boat. A important factor for me was the shallower draft of the cat.
Whilst I agree that cats handle the short chop better that a similar sized mono hull. However, what about running the trough, it gets plain scary and uncomfortable.
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Old 10-19-2017, 07:04 AM   #48
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Wow, A Funny Thread.


Of course everyone's own boat is the best boat for Erie!


That being said, and personally knowing little about Erie. But live close to Superior, how ever only tapped a toe in it for a second (cold *ss Lake).


Everyone seems so focused on Glass Boats, how many Aluminum Boats are out there?


They seem to be Big in Wash/BC for both Ocean and Bays. And so much Less Fragile than Glass (especially here on Inland Lakes). The are now getting reverse chine, up to 18 degree DR, Light,


Just Asking.
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Old 10-20-2017, 06:22 AM   #49
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I have boated fairly extensively in Ontario, Erie and Huron. Personally, I do not think it matters what boat you purchase as you are always at the mercy of the short chop.

I think that the best approach is to decide what boat suits your fishing, budget and towing abilities and then use it when the weather permits.
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i have boated fairly extensively in ontario, erie and huron. Personally, i do not think it matters what boat you purchase as you are always at the mercy of the short chop.

I think that the best approach is to decide what boat suits your fishing, budget and towing abilities and then use it when the weather permits.
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To be honest and put things in perspective...there is not a boat big enough for lake Erie. Always have to deal with Mother Erie.
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Old 10-23-2017, 10:39 AM   #51
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TAILDANCING - do you dock at Conneaut port marina in the large dock facing north? I saw your boat late this fall as I'm interested in the 212 Open. If you don't mind, did you buy it locally? (new or used)? It is a great looking boat. 23' might be too big for me to handle out of the lagoon. I'm downsizing from a 24WA Wellcraft that I had in the big marina for the past 4 years.
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Old 10-23-2017, 06:49 PM   #52
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Yes Tracey. That is it. I bought it on Catawba island at boaters point on he western end of the lake. The next closest to us is in Baltimore. Feel free to ask any questions.
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I would note here that 3-5's at the Eastern end of Lake Erie bear no resemblance to the shorter chop on the western end of Lake Erie and I think many of you are overlooking that notion. I'm quite certain he can run like he is stating in the more rolly seas out east since that water is much deeper than our 20-30' west end depth.
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See, this is what I'm talking about. You would think more weight would be better because of old school thought process. But these boats are designed with so much balance it's not the case. Instead of plowing through them, it rides on top of them. You guys laugh all you want. I'm truely amazed at this boat. Come for a ride sometime. I started by saying I had back surgery. 4 level fusion. Couldn't walk before surgery. This boat is awesome for me. Smooth ride and at rest I can actually troll in 3 to 5's without getting tossed around. I have trolled beam on and it's not a problem. I've owned many boats including pilot houses and have never fished a platform this stable at rest. Also, if th op wants to make the wife happy, this will do it. She will lov the comforts of a cc with forward seating. She will go a lot more.
This is Erie (Conneaut) in 2-3's with an occasional 4' wave.
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Old 10-25-2017, 04:48 PM   #55
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This is Erie (Conneaut) in 2-3's with an occasional 4' wave.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6dGVY42hEg
Looks to be about right.
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This is Erie (Conneaut) in 2-3's with an occasional 4' wave.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6dGVY42hEg
Ok, if that is Bad, what am I missing?
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Old 11-28-2017, 12:43 PM   #57
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Those are THT Certified 6' to 8'!
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Old 12-06-2017, 01:07 PM   #58
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First off it's a sportsman not a tidewater. And I'll take any bet you want. And direction wise depends on many variables but nobody runs head on in 3 to 5s so not sure what angle your trying to play. I've driven many boats in 40 years on Lake Erie and the know it alls can say what you want. I'm a do'er. I'll say it one more time for the idiot hard a$$es that think their the poop on Lake Erie. I'll run 3 to 5's at 30 mph without loosing more teeth. Boat was designed by a navel architect to do just that. But I'm sure the loudmouth no it alls know more than him. Conneaut harbor. Bring your money!!!!
"navel architect" Now that's funny.

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Old 12-09-2017, 05:20 PM   #59
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Love those Steigers. Wish there was a dealer in Ohio. I'd be fishing one when I was in the market.
Tried at one time to be a dealer my friend, but they sell factory direct--a dealer can't compete with the builder at the same price and survive. And that's why you see no dealers around about. As you know however, we do sell Parkers and the similarities are many. Nothing at all against the Steigers; I personally would love to own one provided they live up to what I am told about them.
The rest of this thread has some issues--like "ride on top of the waves?" Not sure how this is even possible but I have heard boat reps repeat this notion many times.
As to a 23' being the best riding boat ever; I'm glad the gentleman loves his boat and I commend him; but after over 35 years in the business I can promise that if I blindfolded any one of you in the same Lake Erie conditions on any number of 23 foot boats; not one of you would be able to tell the difference, one from the other.
Let the arguments begin; but I will not join in and I stand by what I have said here.
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Ok. So took the sportsman cc out last two days. Conneaut Ohio. 10 mile out. Tuesday morning had 2 to 4's. Yesterday had 3 to 5's. True 5's. 3 guys on he boat. Never got a bit wet and sure the heck didn't take one over the bow. Mine has the hard top. Also came with curtains bu you don't need them. Still in the plastic. Boat is a hell of a platform trolling with no excessive rolling whatsoever. I'll never go back to a pilot house style ever. Big tubs, less speed, more rolling, less fish ability, and too much wasted gas. If your taking water over the rails, A. The boat is a big piece of garbage. B. Captain doesn't know how to drive. Or C. Full of 💩. These newer boats are head and shoulders above anything I've been on. My brother has a 27 foot tiara pursuit express. Nic boat but in true 3 to 5's I'll be back at the dock having a cold beverage when he makes it back.
Take water over what rail? What do you consider is a newer boat?

My boat takes spray over the rail when quartering, so is my boat a piece of shit? Or is it because I don't know how to drive?

Depending on the wind/waves you are going to find that the wave intervals are not always the same. Just because you can get on top of the waves one day does not mean that's going to happen all the time. My Scarab was good at running on top of the waves mostly because it was so long of a boat, but I also found that more often than not I can't get on top of the waves for very long.
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