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Old 02-21-2019, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mackerel View Post
I'd be interested in seeing some details about how you rig the waxline and sinker as well.

I've done several variations of that kind of rig and never been 100% happy with any of them. Always looking for a better way!
I believe what he does is create a loop with the wax line on the main line, like itís done on sword rigs as ReelGrimm said. You tie a piece of #30-40 to a bank sinker and use a snap swivel or tuna clip and hang the sinker to the loop. So basically you have a 3-way without swivels. When you reel in, stop at the sinker, remove it and keep on reeling, instead of hand lining 30-60í of leader.

Here is my variation.... when I tie the braid to the leader, either using the FG or albright knot, I leave an extra 12Ē of braid. I make a loop with that piece of braid, and thatís where I hang my sinker. I use tuna clips because itís a lot faster than snap swivels... some people make the loop on the mono or fluoro leader by making a dropper loop, but if your leader is #40 or higher, then the loop has a hard time going through the guides.

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Old 02-22-2019, 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by JoseG View Post


I believe what he does is create a loop with the wax line on the main line, like itís done on sword rigs as ReelGrimm said. You tie a piece of #30-40 to a bank sinker and use a snap swivel or tuna clip and hang the sinker to the loop. So basically you have a 3-way without swivels. When you reel in, stop at the sinker, remove it and keep on reeling, instead of hand lining 30-60í of leader.

Here is my variation.... when I tie the braid to the leader, either using the FG or albright knot, I leave an extra 12Ē of braid. I make a loop with that piece of braid, and thatís where I hang my sinker. I use tuna clips because itís a lot faster than snap swivels... some people make the loop on the mono or fluoro leader by making a dropper loop, but if your leader is #40 or higher, then the loop has a hard time going through the guides.

Hope this helps
I've never done the swordfish thing since I can't reach them on this coast, too far for my boat, but both approaches would seem to work well. And I like your idea of the longline clips for removal speed, even though I hate bulky hardware on my line. I wonder if they come in smaller sizes than the 5" ones I know of,
like these like these
, but that might make them harder to handle and less speedy.

Previously my go-to approach to get a weight far up the line from a bait has been to use an egg sinker threaded onto the doubled-over main line after I've made the cast, then use a bit of rubberband to keep it from pulling back thru until there is a lot of pressure on the line. Works well without having to deal with the weight removal part, but makes the weight sacrificial with each fish, which can get costly over the course of a day when lots of undesirables are picking up the bait.
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Old 02-22-2019, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by mackerel View Post
I've never done the swordfish thing since I can't reach them on this coast, too far for my boat, but both approaches would seem to work well. And I like your idea of the longline clips for removal speed, even though I hate bulky hardware on my line. I wonder if they come in smaller sizes than the 5" ones I know of, like these, but that might make them harder to handle and less speedy.

Previously my go-to approach to get a weight far up the line from a bait has been to use an egg sinker threaded onto the doubled-over main line after I've made the cast, then use a bit of rubberband to keep it from pulling back thru until there is a lot of pressure on the line. Works well without having to deal with the weight removal part, but makes the weight sacrificial with each fish, which can get costly over the course of a day when lots of undesirables are picking up the bait.
Here is a pic of the wax line loop, Pic # 5 loop

I use tuna clips that are like 2.5" long, without the swivel. Look at the 60mm on this
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If you can't find them, let me know and I'll get a couple locally and ship them to you.
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Old 02-27-2019, 02:58 PM
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There are some good wrecks that are a little deeper and a lot of good ledge off boca. We have had our biggest 100ft+
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Old 02-28-2019, 05:28 AM
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Has anyone tried clipping a flashing led swordfish light to their rigs when fishing muttons in deep water?
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Old 02-28-2019, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JoseG View Post
Here is a pic of the wax line loop, Pic # 5 loop

I use tuna clips that are like 2.5" long, without the swivel. Look at the 60mm on this amazon.

If you can't find them, let me know and I'll get a couple locally and ship them to you.
I tried this last weekend with the wax loop, worked amazing. Didnt get any tangles like I thought it would, and was able to rip the weight off as I was reeling in then continue to wind the wax loop right onto the reel. I didnt have any long line clips, but I do have those quick release balloon clips that worked really well and just did a small loop of mono on the weight. Ordering those clips as those will be much cheaper to replace if lost though. This will definitely be my new go to for a deep bait, you guys rock!
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How is the wax loop better than a dropper loop like this?:


I'm thinking I'm going to try some of this... appreciate the thread. Pete
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Originally Posted by OldPete View Post
How is the wax loop better than a dropper loop like this?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiuwhoyltbs

I'm thinking I'm going to try some of this... appreciate the thread. Pete
I'm pretty sure that the dental floss that you use to create the loop is a lot less "stiff" than the mono in your dropper loop and will pass thru the guides and onto the reel spool much easier.

Edit: also putting any knot into your fishing line usually weakens it, sometimes a little, sometimes a lot. A wax loop leaves your mainline intact as it is tied over the top of it.

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Originally Posted by mackerel View Post
I'm pretty sure that the dental floss that you use to create the loop is a lot less "stiff" than the mono in your dropper loop and will pass thru the guides and onto the reel spool much easier.

Ah! True enough!

Ok! Thanks!
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Originally Posted by 20psimr View Post
I tried this last weekend with the wax loop, worked amazing. Didnt get any tangles like I thought it would, and was able to rip the weight off as I was reeling in then continue to wind the wax loop right onto the reel. I didnt have any long line clips, but I do have those quick release balloon clips that worked really well and just did a small loop of mono on the weight. Ordering those clips as those will be much cheaper to replace if lost though. This will definitely be my new go to for a deep bait, you guys rock!
Not to derail from Muttons and since JoseG is giving away all our secrets thought you might like this trick also
You can also use 70lb floss with a planer setup
If you space the floss loops correctly you can cut the snap swivel end off (the end of the metal where it loops to clip) and then make it so it goes on and comes off quick (they're not locked closed)
This way you can reel through to the fish when you pull the planer off the floss loops and not damage your guides
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This video explains the wax loop rig.
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Originally Posted by OldPete View Post
How is the wax loop better than a dropper loop like this?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiuwhoyltbs

I'm thinking I'm going to try some of this... appreciate the thread. Pete
mono is too stiff as mentioned above, I used to do this, then switch to doing it on the braid following TripleMMM
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Originally Posted by JoseG View Post
Here is my variation.... when I tie the braid to the leader, either using the FG or albright knot, I leave an extra 12Ē of braid. I make a loop with that piece of braid, and thatís where I hang my sinker. I use tuna clips because itís a lot faster than snap swivels... some people make the loop on the mono or fluoro leader by making a dropper loop, but if your leader is #40 or higher, then the loop has a hard time going through the guides.

Hope this helps
Yep this is my favorite, the mono for the sinker is clipped to the braid loop and the mono leader is tied to the braid... if you snag the sinker you lose the sinker and not leader and vice versa... if you put a floss loop on the mono that's weaker than the braid you risk losing both, also the split provides a buffer from the braid cutting on a sharp object. Finally fishing braid deeper scopes less
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Personal best btw quite a few years back in Miami 22.5lb Mutton


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Originally Posted by gmoss View Post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKHrUFPxTWY
This video explains the wax loop rig.
Thanks for the vid. Very helpful.

Interesting he's not using a flouro leader. And treble hooks?
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Thanks for the vid. Very helpful.

Interesting he's not using a flouro leader. And treble hooks?
We caught our biggest on wire leader and a treble. I think the whole Flurocarbon thing is a bunch of............... The guys who fish exclusive fluro carbon with me dont catch any more or any bigger fish then anybody else on the boat.
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We caught our biggest on wire leader and a treble. I think the whole Flurocarbon thing is a bunch of............... The guys who fish exclusive fluro carbon with me dont catch any more or any bigger fish then anybody else on the boat.
Agreed....with Muttons at least. For years and years the commercial guys choice for Mutton leader was (and still is) Ande pink 50 mono. I myself use 40 mono and catch more than my share.
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great thread with some awesome info! never tried the wax loop will be giving it a go next time out.
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Thought I'd post up.

So I set up two rigs with the wax tape method. I'll say that with almost zero current it I couldn't get it "flow" like I would like. But I also didn't try too hard.

What I will say is that I put about 70' of nice Fluorocarbon on the end of an open reel that was spooled with braid. I put the wax tape on the braid a bit above the fluoro. My 10 year old says, "Dad... I'm just going to mess around with the open reel -- throw a dead pilchard on it and flat line it in the slick." -- We were almost limited on YT, so I said, sure, "but don't get mad if we don't keep it -- we're going to up late cutting all the fish". He was totally cool with it. (We were cleaning up to pull anchor and head home)

He goes to the bow of the boat. No net, nothing... just the rod, single hook, one pilchard, no weight, nothing. Friggin' kid starts feeding it out... gets it about 100 feet out... slick is dead, chum basket it empty. All of a sudden he says he's got something. We figured a runner or something. Whatever... he baited, he did it all - I didn't care.

Don't you know... he pulls up a friggin' GIANT flag YT. So now... the fish is sitting on the bow of an Express -- no net, etc. LOL. You had to see him pin that fish down so it didn't jump off the boat.

Goes to show... you never know.

Thank you again for this thread. Although not the intended direction of the tackle, it made for a super memorable event.

P.S. Yes, we kept that one.
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