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Old 02-08-2019, 08:15 AM
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I got pulled over yesterday after changing lanes quickly after cresting an overpass where a FHP car was parked on the side of the road. He then pulled me over as the lane I pulled into is really a merge lane with a solid line. All that said I got a written warning.


So the question,,, are these written warnings logged on my driving record??

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Old 02-08-2019, 08:22 AM
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They don't show on your record because there was no conviction but it does show on his record that he was working and not sleeping behind a Dunkin.
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Old 02-08-2019, 09:47 AM
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Any "record" of this event would have vanished from the FHP database in a relatively short time as no citation or fine was involved.

However, since you have used your good judgement to inquire about it on an open internet forum, where your IP address is known and tracked, it will be on the "record" forever.

Any future employer, insurance agent, credit score issuing agency, prospective significant other, etc, etc., will surely see this transgression as they look at your historical footprint on the fabulous World Wide Web.
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Old 02-08-2019, 10:58 AM
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Thank you gentlemen........
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Old 02-08-2019, 11:37 AM
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Picture of the offending Vette please...
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Old 02-08-2019, 11:44 AM
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So, now that you got your question answered, I'm curious if you can expand a bit on what was said when he pulled you over. Was it the quick lane change? Was it crossing the solid line? Was it going into a merge lane?
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Picture of the offending Vette please...
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Old 02-08-2019, 12:57 PM
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So you moved over to give him room and he pulled you over? What a dick.

Not sure a ticket for that would stand up. Any line can be crossed if needed to get around a stopped car or avoid an accident.
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Old 02-08-2019, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by km1125 View Post
So, now that you got your question answered, I'm curious if you can expand a bit on what was said when he pulled you over. Was it the quick lane change? Was it crossing the solid line? Was it going into a merge lane?
I've attached a shot of the place,, FHP was on the right side shoulder,, this is on the back side of a small bridge and the solid white line goes on for quite a ways. I was following a number of cars and as soon as I saw him quickly moved into the left lane. As soon as he walked to the car, he asked for license and I explained that I moved over as I thought I was required to (Florida's move over law). As a sidebar, I think it be fair to say a lot of folks use that lane to pass LOL.





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I moved over as I thought I was required to (Florida's move over law).
Another law that wasn't well thought out before it was implemented. I can't tell you how many times I've seen drivers force their way into the next lane/slam on the brakes/speed up like a maniac to merge/etc. to move over away from a police car.
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Old 02-08-2019, 06:20 PM
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Is that the stretch?
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Old 02-08-2019, 09:27 PM
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A warning issued by a State Trooper will remain on your record (within the FHP database) indefinitely, so the idea that it vanishes from the FHP database is incorrect. A Trooper who may stop you in the future will see the warning you were issued for the incident you described.

The good news is that it is not part of your official driving record and not visible to insurance companies or when employers run a driving history on you. Your insurance premiums won’t increase due to a warning and no points assessed against your driving record. It is essentially a courtesy issued to you by the Trooper in lieu of a citation.

MikeLoew ... that location is southbound State Road 5 (US1) on the stretch at the south side of the Aerojet canal bridge.

There are numerous locations on the 18-mile stretch where people pass illegally per FSS 316.089(3) such as SW 424 Street (MM122.5), the Aerojet Canal (MM 117.5), South Miami Dade Marina (MM115), Manatee Bay Marina (MM113) and the nototious Gilbert’s/Yacht Club Drive (MM 108.5).
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A warning issued by a State Trooper will remain on your record (within the FHP database) indefinitely, so the idea that it vanishes from the FHP database is incorrect. A Trooper who may stop you in the future will see the warning you were issued for the incident you described.

The good news is that it is not part of your official driving record and not visible to insurance companies or when employers run a driving history on you. Your insurance premiums wonít increase due to a warning and no points assessed against your driving record. It is essentially a courtesy issued to you by the Trooper in lieu of a citation.


This. Also, I can't speak for all agencies, but I can only see previous warnings written by my agency. I can pull up all prior contact with you by anyone in my agency, but I can't see previous contact by surrounding agencies, FHP, etc.
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I thought it was a joke, but sometimes I wonder... Is it really true that in order to become a FHP / Trooper your shoe size must be a higher number than your IQ?
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Old 02-09-2019, 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by MiamiJay View Post


MikeLoew ... that location is southbound State Road 5 (US1) on the stretch at the south side of the Aerojet canal bridge.

There are numerous locations on the 18-mile stretch where people pass illegally per FSS 316.089(3) such as SW 424 Street (MM122.5), the Aerojet Canal (MM 117.5), South Miami Dade Marina (MM115), Manatee Bay Marina (MM113) and the nototious Gilbertís/Yacht Club Drive (MM 108.5).
Yeah, there are numerous lanes on the stretch that don't seem to make any sense, lanes that just seem to pop up but don't lead to a turn off.?????
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Originally Posted by MiamiJay View Post
A warning issued by a State Trooper will remain on your record (within the FHP database) indefinitely, so the idea that it vanishes from the FHP database is incorrect. A Trooper who may stop you in the future will see the warning you were issued for the incident you described.
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This. Also, I can't speak for all agencies, but I can only see previous warnings written by my agency. I can pull up all prior contact with you by anyone in my agency, but I can't see previous contact by surrounding agencies, FHP, etc.
That's interesting. I wonder how you (the citizen) gets a chance to read what is actually entered and if the citizen has any ability to refute add clarification to these records, or get them expunged?
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Originally Posted by Flying_Norseman View Post
I thought it was a joke, but sometimes I wonder... Is it really true that in order to become a FHP / Trooper your shoe size must be a higher number than your IQ?


Sooo... the trooper is mentally deficient because he allegedly made a mistake? Must be nice being perfect.
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Originally Posted by gfretwell View Post
They don't show on your record because there was no conviction but it does show on his record that he was working and not sleeping behind a Dunkin.
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Even GTPVette admitted that he was in the wrong lane, albeit for the right reason (move over). Vette did not say that the Trooper was on a traffic stop or that his lights were on which would activate the move over law at that location. It’s very possible that the Trooper was sitting on the downside of the Aerojet canal bridge to watch vehicles cresting the bridge using the dedicated exit/entrance lane (which vette was in at some point) and then stop them for illegally using that lane. We don’t know why the Trooper issued vette a warning but there are no less than 3-4 variables as to what may have occurred. What we do know from vette is that he was traveling in that lane unlawfully and that he received a warning. Ronp is quick to call the Trooper out but Ronp wasn’t there and doesn’t know both sides of the story.

MikeLoew, it may seem that way about lanes popping up that don’t turn or lead anywhere but I listed all of those lanes (except for the turn off to Florida Rock & Sand which is just above the SW 424 Street lanes) on the stretch and each one does have a turn/exit/entrance. Take a look next time you travel and you will notice.

Flying norseman ... would you care to articulate on your comment? If there is a reason why you feel that way, I would like to hear it. By the way, do you have the intelligence to reconstruct a six vehicle crash with three fatalities and gather the evidence to convict the killer of two children and one of their parents? Do you have the nerve to stop a car with dark tinted windows, four subjects, two of whom have outstanding felony warrants at 3:00 AM on Tamiami Trail halfway between Miami and Naples with your closest back up more than 30 minutes away and handle the situation by yourself? Do you have the compassion to knock on the door in the middle of the night and tell a parents who moved here from another country just to give a better life to a child that that child has been killed by a drunk driver?

km1125, you do receive a copy of the warning at the time it is issued and there are no other comments or information that is stored, so you do get to see what was actually entered.

For those that that travel the stretch on a regular basis, they observe that those lanes are frequently used for illegal passing, which is dangerous because each one has an access point for intersecting/merge traffic. I am aware of multiple crashes at those locations including one NB at Gilbert’s where a motorcyclist was hit by a car using the turn lane to pass.

The most absurd thing about those passing NB on the stretch is that they will be sitting at the same red light in Florida City at Palm Drive as those they passed on the stretch so all the passing is for naught.
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Even GTPVette admitted that he was in the wrong lane, albeit for the right reason (move over). Vette did not say that the Trooper was on a traffic stop or that his lights were on which would activate the move over law at that location. Itís very possible that the Trooper was sitting on the downside of the Aerojet canal bridge to watch vehicles cresting the bridge using the dedicated exit/entrance lane (which vette was in at some point) and then stop them for illegally using that lane. We donít know why the Trooper issued vette a warning but there are no less than 3-4 variables as to what may have occurred. What we do know from vette is that he was traveling in that lane unlawfully and that he received a warning. Ronp is quick to call the Trooper out but Ronp wasnít there and doesnít know both sides of the story.

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I know enough to say the cop is a dick. And if you are defending him without you being there, well, I know even more ...

OP didn't move over until he crested the hill and saw the cop. That means the cop saw him move over, not riding along in that lane. When someone shows you courtesy, even if it is slightly misguided, maybe you discuss it with him but you don't take your book out and write.

Will you be happy if a cop on the side of the road with his lights not on gets his brains bashed in by a passing car that doesn't move over because it's not required to?

This behavior violates the law of common sense.
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