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Old 02-11-2019, 06:06 AM
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Seems to me any time you get pulled over by a State Trooper and only get a warning, is your lucky day. Buy a lottery ticket at the next stop.
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Old 02-11-2019, 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by MiamiJay View Post
Even GTPVette admitted that he was in the wrong lane, albeit for the right reason (move over). Vette did not say that the Trooper was on a traffic stop or that his lights were on which would activate the move over law at that location. Itís very possible that the Trooper was sitting on the downside of the Aerojet canal bridge to watch vehicles cresting the bridge using the dedicated exit/entrance lane (which vette was in at some point) and then stop them for illegally using that lane. We donít know why the Trooper issued vette a warning but there are no less than 3-4 variables as to what may have occurred. What we do know from vette is that he was traveling in that lane unlawfully and that he received a warning. Ronp is quick to call the Trooper out but Ronp wasnít there and doesnít know both sides of the story.

MikeLoew, it may seem that way about lanes popping up that donít turn or lead anywhere but I listed all of those lanes (except for the turn off to Florida Rock & Sand which is just above the SW 424 Street lanes) on the stretch and each one does have a turn/exit/entrance. Take a look next time you travel and you will notice.

Flying norseman ... would you care to articulate on your comment? If there is a reason why you feel that way, I would like to hear it. By the way, do you have the intelligence to reconstruct a six vehicle crash with three fatalities and gather the evidence to convict the killer of two children and one of their parents? Do you have the nerve to stop a car with dark tinted windows, four subjects, two of whom have outstanding felony warrants at 3:00 AM on Tamiami Trail halfway between Miami and Naples with your closest back up more than 30 minutes away and handle the situation by yourself? Do you have the compassion to knock on the door in the middle of the night and tell a parents who moved here from another country just to give a better life to a child that that child has been killed by a drunk driver?

km1125, you do receive a copy of the warning at the time it is issued and there are no other comments or information that is stored, so you do get to see what was actually entered.

For those that that travel the stretch on a regular basis, they observe that those lanes are frequently used for illegal passing, which is dangerous because each one has an access point for intersecting/merge traffic. I am aware of multiple crashes at those locations including one NB at Gilbertís where a motorcyclist was hit by a car using the turn lane to pass.

The most absurd thing about those passing NB on the stretch is that they will be sitting at the same red light in Florida City at Palm Drive as those they passed on the stretch so all the passing is for naught.
So it is true, thanks for clarifying.
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Old 02-11-2019, 10:21 AM
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Hey Fred!

Maybe he just wanted to get a good look at your Vette!!
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Anyone ever catch air on one of the little bridges on alligator Alley?
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Well, I for one have lost hope in the police.
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3 years ago there was a accident on cardsound rd, involving a police officer on a motor cycle whom was critically injured, Since they closed the local road it created a huge backup, Of course there were lots of Sirens behind me stuck in the traffic, I opted to clear my lane by making a right hand turn from a stop so that traffic could advance to allow response vehicle a better chance of getting threw. Well the result was a red light camera got me and gave me a ticket. I called and was told that I would have to go to court to fight it. Yeah like that is fair, even after I explained I did it to help one of their own. So to avoid right turn on red ticket, I would have to spend aprox 8 hours, of time and if the judge would say, Their is no law stating it is legal to turn on red to clear traffic jam... I would get hit with ticket fine, plus court costs. Makes me think next time I just sit tight and let the poor officer lay on road waiting for help.

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about a month after IRMA, still like a war zone here. I was helping neighbor fix a dangerous railing, It was a 1 mile trip to home depot and I did not put on seat belt, The police setup a checkpoint with 4 cars to right seatbelt tickets. Granted I was guilty, But a that time there was 18 wheelers running 55 MPH through back streets with un covered loads and the best they can do it right a seatbelt ticket to a volunteer helpers. To make it worse, The officer refused to tell me the fine, said call the number, I did 2 weeks later and they could not tell me the fine, 3 week later same, 1 day before deadline I went to Clerk of the courts and again, they could not tell me fine, I asked her to sign or write a note that I was there and inquired about the fine, She refused. So I filed Not guilty. The judge said to bad and added the court cost onto the fine, Said it was not his problem that the county could not tell me how much to pay, I should have just sent in my best guess that was at or above the actual fine. LOL. Only good thing is the officer felt bad and busted the fine to a small value so the end it only cost a tad more that the guilty fine.

I can add more but this post is already to long.

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PS. A year or 2 before all of this I cooked a turkey day meal and several officers stopped by and we loaded them up with plates for of food to go, since they had to work and were not allowed to stop in. Now I am waiting for them to give me candy/ turkeys to improve my attitude towards them. I get why the inner cities often have public relation issues.
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Old 02-15-2019, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by highflier1 View Post
Well, I for one have lost hope in the police.
#1
3 years ago there was a accident on cardsound rd, involving a police officer on a motor cycle whom was critically injured, Since they closed the local road it created a huge backup, Of course there were lots of Sirens behind me stuck in the traffic, I opted to clear my lane by making a right hand turn from a stop so that traffic could advance to allow response vehicle a better chance of getting threw. Well the result was a red light camera got me and gave me a ticket. I called and was told that I would have to go to court to fight it. Yeah like that is fair, even after I explained I did it to help one of their own. So to avoid right turn on red ticket, I would have to spend aprox 8 hours, of time and if the judge would say, Their is no law stating it is legal to turn on red to clear traffic jam... I would get hit with ticket fine, plus court costs. Makes me think next time I just sit tight and let the poor officer lay on road waiting for help.

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about a month after IRMA, still like a war zone here. I was helping neighbor fix a dangerous railing, It was a 1 mile trip to home depot and I did not put on seat belt, The police setup a checkpoint with 4 cars to right seatbelt tickets. Granted I was guilty, But a that time there was 18 wheelers running 55 MPH through back streets with un covered loads and the best they can do it right a seatbelt ticket to a volunteer helpers. To make it worse, The officer refused to tell me the fine, said call the number, I did 2 weeks later and they could not tell me the fine, 3 week later same, 1 day before deadline I went to Clerk of the courts and again, they could not tell me fine, I asked her to sign or write a note that I was there and inquired about the fine, She refused. So I filed Not guilty. The judge said to bad and added the court cost onto the fine, Said it was not his problem that the county could not tell me how much to pay, I should have just sent in my best guess that was at or above the actual fine. LOL. Only good thing is the officer felt bad and busted the fine to a small value so the end it only cost a tad more that the guilty fine.

I can add more but this post is already to long.

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PS. A year or 2 before all of this I cooked a turkey day meal and several officers stopped by and we loaded them up with plates for of food to go, since they had to work and were not allowed to stop in. Now I am waiting for them to give me candy/ turkeys to improve my attitude towards them. I get why the inner cities often have public relation issues.

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Wow, had virtually the same thing happen to me on Alligator Alley just two weeks ago! Came over a slightly elevated bridge in the right lane at exactly 70mph (posted limit), saw a FHP on the right shoulder, and quickly changed lanes. She pulled me and we had a very pleasant conversation in which she stated she pulled me for "improper lane change."

She collected my info and said if all checked out she'd give me a warning. I - very gently and respectfully, but firmly - said I appreciated that... but the only reason I changed lanes was for her safety and if she felt that wasn't the right thing to do to please write me a ticket and I'd take my chances in court.

She ran my info, came back and said "have a nice day, drive carefully." No warning, no ticket.

How any officer or trooper could pull someone who was clearly moving over to better ensure their safety is beyond me. Made me very angry and still steams me just thinking about it. My suspicion is this was some sort of pretextual tactic to justify a stop and run someone's info. Not cool IMO.

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Wow, had virtually the same thing happen to me on Alligator Alley just two weeks ago! Came over a slightly elevated bridge in the right lane at exactly 70mph (posted limit), saw a FHP on the right shoulder, and quickly changed lanes. She pulled me and we had a very pleasant conversation in which she stated she pulled me for "improper lane change."

She collected my info and said if all checked out she'd give me a warning. I - very gently and respectfully, but firmly - said I appreciated that... but the only reason I changed lanes was for her safety and if she felt that wasn't the right thing to do to please write me a ticket and I'd take my chances in court.

She ran my info, came back and said "have a nice day, drive carefully." No warning, no ticket.

How any officer or trooper could pull someone who was clearly moving over to better ensure their safety is beyond me. Made me very angry and still steams me just thinking about it. My suspicion is this was some sort of pretextual tactic to justify a stop and run someone's info. Not cool IMO.
Or, she misunderstood your driving actions, and when you explained it to her it made sense, then she let you go without so much as a written warning. Probably better things to get steamed about than misunderstandings.
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Or, she misunderstood your driving actions, and when you explained it to her it made sense, then she let you go without so much as a written warning. Probably better things to get steamed about than misunderstandings.
or she didn't want to have to show up in court and have the ticket dropped. I also believe if an officer is sitting out on alligator Alley for a shift or half a shift they are expected to write a certain amount of tickets.
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I also believe if an officer is sitting out on alligator Alley for a shift or half a shift they are expected to write a certain amount of tickets.
I believe I have a 12" schwartz, but that doesn't make it so.

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Or, she misunderstood your driving actions, and when you explained it to her it made sense, then she let you go without so much as a written warning. Probably better things to get steamed about than misunderstandings.
Yeah, except that isn't what happened. She positioned herself in such a way that drivers had two choices:

1. Maintain their current lane
2. Make an abrupt lane change

Since she was just sitting there, no lights, not on a traffic stop... I believe she was setting up a scenario where no matter which of the above options a driver chose she could justify a stop.

I further believe this because it was northbound, i.e.. coming from Miami/FTL - likely an origin from which bad guys are much more likely to travel.

Some would call this good policing. Others would call it an unsafe practice that's also a rights infringement. I know which camp I'm in.
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Originally Posted by highflier1 View Post
Well, I for one have lost hope in the police.
#1
3 years ago there was a accident on cardsound rd, involving a police officer on a motor cycle whom was critically injured, Since they closed the local road it created a huge backup, Of course there were lots of Sirens behind me stuck in the traffic, I opted to clear my lane by making a right hand turn from a stop so that traffic could advance to allow response vehicle a better chance of getting threw. Well the result was a red light camera got me and gave me a ticket. I called and was told that I would have to go to court to fight it. Yeah like that is fair, even after I explained I did it to help one of their own. So to avoid right turn on red ticket, I would have to spend aprox 8 hours, of time and if the judge would say, Their is no law stating it is legal to turn on red to clear traffic jam... I would get hit with ticket fine, plus court costs. Makes me think next time I just sit tight and let the poor officer lay on road waiting for help.

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about a month after IRMA, still like a war zone here. I was helping neighbor fix a dangerous railing, It was a 1 mile trip to home depot and I did not put on seat belt, The police setup a checkpoint with 4 cars to right seatbelt tickets. Granted I was guilty, But a that time there was 18 wheelers running 55 MPH through back streets with un covered loads and the best they can do it right a seatbelt ticket to a volunteer helpers. To make it worse, The officer refused to tell me the fine, said call the number, I did 2 weeks later and they could not tell me the fine, 3 week later same, 1 day before deadline I went to Clerk of the courts and again, they could not tell me fine, I asked her to sign or write a note that I was there and inquired about the fine, She refused. So I filed Not guilty. The judge said to bad and added the court cost onto the fine, Said it was not his problem that the county could not tell me how much to pay, I should have just sent in my best guess that was at or above the actual fine. LOL. Only good thing is the officer felt bad and busted the fine to a small value so the end it only cost a tad more that the guilty fine.

I can add more but this post is already to long.

Highflier

PS. A year or 2 before all of this I cooked a turkey day meal and several officers stopped by and we loaded them up with plates for of food to go, since they had to work and were not allowed to stop in. Now I am waiting for them to give me candy/ turkeys to improve my attitude towards them. I get why the inner cities often have public relation issues.
Let me get this straight... You have "lost hope in police" because you got a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt and then the county government couldn't get their ducks in a row. Should we blame the police because it rained yesterday as well?? You know I'm sure police just get a huge rush writing a seat belt ticket. It has nothing to do with trying to get people to stop dying on the road... From what you stated the red light ticket didn't involve any police(except the ones responding to the accident). I can sympathize with your frustration, but I'm not blaming a cop for any of that.
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Originally Posted by highflier1 View Post
Well, I for one have lost hope in the police.
#1
3 years ago there was a accident on cardsound rd, involving a police officer on a motor cycle whom was critically injured, Since they closed the local road it created a huge backup, Of course there were lots of Sirens behind me stuck in the traffic, I opted to clear my lane by making a right hand turn from a stop so that traffic could advance to allow response vehicle a better chance of getting threw. Well the result was a red light camera got me and gave me a ticket. I called and was told that I would have to go to court to fight it. Yeah like that is fair, even after I explained I did it to help one of their own. So to avoid right turn on red ticket, I would have to spend aprox 8 hours, of time and if the judge would say, Their is no law stating it is legal to turn on red to clear traffic jam... I would get hit with ticket fine, plus court costs. Makes me think next time I just sit tight and let the poor officer lay on road waiting for help.

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about a month after IRMA, still like a war zone here. I was helping neighbor fix a dangerous railing, It was a 1 mile trip to home depot and I did not put on seat belt, The police setup a checkpoint with 4 cars to right seatbelt tickets. Granted I was guilty, But a that time there was 18 wheelers running 55 MPH through back streets with un covered loads and the best they can do it right a seatbelt ticket to a volunteer helpers. To make it worse, The officer refused to tell me the fine, said call the number, I did 2 weeks later and they could not tell me the fine, 3 week later same, 1 day before deadline I went to Clerk of the courts and again, they could not tell me fine, I asked her to sign or write a note that I was there and inquired about the fine, She refused. So I filed Not guilty. The judge said to bad and added the court cost onto the fine, Said it was not his problem that the county could not tell me how much to pay, I should have just sent in my best guess that was at or above the actual fine. LOL. Only good thing is the officer felt bad and busted the fine to a small value so the end it only cost a tad more that the guilty fine.

I can add more but this post is already to long.

Highflier

PS. A year or 2 before all of this I cooked a turkey day meal and several officers stopped by and we loaded them up with plates for of food to go, since they had to work and were not allowed to stop in. Now I am waiting for them to give me candy/ turkeys to improve my attitude towards them. I get why the inner cities often have public relation issues.
I think you handled both of the situations wrong. On the first one, there had to be media reports about the accident, that indicated the date, time and location. I would have submitted several of those stories and a copy of the state vehicle code that says you have a responsibility to get out of the way of emergency vehicles, along with the ticket (with the same date/time/located noted) as the justification for a "not responsible" defense.

On the seat belt law, you and your peers voted those morons into the legislature that put that law on the books, as well as support those checkpoints. Isn't FL one of those states that doesn't require a helmet on a bike? How can that be safer than being inside a car without a seatbelt, especially considering most of them have airbags (which are designed to save you even if you don't have a belt on)? Maybe you should be a bit more vocal in the next election cycle rather than taking it out on the folks who are tasked with enforcement as their job.

And I don't get the inclusion of the "turkey day meal" paragraph at all.
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I believe I have a 12" schwartz, but that doesn't it so.
i believe you shouldn't be posting at 3am and then we can understand what you;re trying to say..
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or she didn't want to have to show up in court and have the ticket dropped. I also believe if an officer is sitting out on alligator Alley for a shift or half a shift they are expected to write a certain amount of tickets.
Troopers are not expected to write any number of tickets. In fact, the number of tickets that a Trooper writes or doesnít write cannot be considered during periodic evaluations. Further, I donít know of a Trooper, Deputy or Police Officer that gives a flying flip about one of their tickets being dismissed in court. Youíve got it ALL wrong, Path.
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Troopers are not expected to write any number of tickets. In fact, the number of tickets that a Trooper writes or doesnít write cannot be considered during periodic evaluations. Further, I donít know of a Trooper, Deputy or Police Officer that gives a flying flip about one of their tickets being dismissed in court. Youíve got it ALL wrong, Path.
if you say so I believe you , though I would question what response a trooper gets privately from a superior after sitting all day out on the alley and doesn't write any tickets.
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i believe you shouldn't be posting at 3am and then we can understand what you;re trying to say..
My point is that just because a person believes something to be so, does not make it that way.


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if you say so I believe you , though I would question what response a trooper gets privately from a superior after sitting all day out on the alley and doesn't write any tickets.
One of my cop friends was told by his supervisor (Lieutenant?) one time that "There are no quotas here, but a "good" cop would write about 20 tickets a day in your section of town" ( I forget the exact number, so "20" is just used as an example). One time he sat at a particular intersection that was known to have issues with people and he didn't cut anyone any slack and ran out of tickets to write.
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One of my cop friends was told by his supervisor (Lieutenant?) one time that "There are no quotas here, but a "good" cop would write about 20 tickets a day in your section of town" ( I forget the exact number, so "20" is just used as an example). One time he sat at a particular intersection that was known to have issues with people and he didn't cut anyone any slack and ran out of tickets to write.
20 tickets a day is a huge number.....I have been on the job for 24 years and would never even consider that. I work an extremely busy area, ripe with traffic issues every day, and between general observations and using laser I could stop a car every 5 minutes if I had the time and we weren't holding other priority calls. I find however, that truly 99% of my stops end with a warning and a good attitude and greeting/explanation and it seems to go farther and get better results than just handing over someone a ticket and moving on to the next. I am a supervisor so I don't have anyone barking orders at me about how many to write and I surely don't tell any of my squad to write any particular number. I don't care if they write none, just treat people with courtesy and respect and do the right thing.
In the area I work you will get plenty of paperwork/tickets anyway just by default because about 20% of the people you stop have no DL, suspensions, warrants, etc......Im actually relieved when I stop someone with all their stuff together....they get a warning for almost anything!
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20 tickets a day is a huge number.....I have been on the job for 24 years and would never even consider that. I work an extremely busy area, ripe with traffic issues every day, and between general observations and using laser I could stop a car every 5 minutes if I had the time and we weren't holding other priority calls. I find however, that truly 99% of my stops end with a warning and a good attitude and greeting/explanation and it seems to go farther and get better results than just handing over someone a ticket and moving on to the next. I am a supervisor so I don't have anyone barking orders at me about how many to write and I surely don't tell any of my squad to write any particular number. I don't care if they write none, just treat people with courtesy and respect and do the right thing.
In the area I work you will get plenty of paperwork/tickets anyway just by default because about 20% of the people you stop have no DL, suspensions, warrants, etc......Im actually relieved when I stop someone with all their stuff together....they get a warning for almost anything!
Again, I just used 20 as an example. I just estimated that if it took about 15 minutes on average and someone worked an 8 hour shift that would be an easy target. The actual number quoted may have been 10 or 15, I don't know, but his department did work around that general guidance.

When I was a kid, I used to get stopped by guys like you all the time. Frequently going a bit too fast, but sometimes for a lot of other things too (tinted windows, etc). As soon as I stopped, I would jump out of the car and walk to the back of the car and get my license and reg ready. Can't do that anymore!! Once I got stopped for going a "bit" too fast as two highways merged together and he was on one and I was on the other, so I didn't see him until it was too late. My car didn't have a hood or fenders or most of the interior as I was rehabbing it. He walked up and said "Does this thing have a speedometer that works??" After he checked my license and plates and a little other banter, he let me go with a warning. It's been almost 40 years and I still remember that like it was last week, but I've also had my 'fair share' of the slam-and-bam production technique since.
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