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Old 02-06-2019, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by GR1FFIN View Post
I agree with Biminitwist. We should petition the FWC to remove the seawall and docks so it can be mangroves and natural habitat. Either that or stop/outlaw the canal dredging so the boats have to cruise out farther form the shore line. No need for boat access there so close to delicate flats and shoreline. It will be better for the eco system, fishing, wildlife and safer for everyone. I'll talk to FWC about it, i have a good friend on the commission.

Next up, the lady who bought a house on Route 41 is complaining that cars drive to fast on the busy highway. We should reduce the speed limit on it to 25 mph so it is safer for her kids that play in her yard.
At least it is illegal to drive 100mph on Route 41.
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Old 02-07-2019, 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by scrapper01 View Post



what is your max speed?
I can run 62 in the skiff.

On days when it's snotty I will run in there to stay out of open water as I am in a flats boat. If it's smooth I run on the edge of the bar just because it is down right scary along those docks. I usually run at my 40 MPH cruise as long as I can see in the straight parts.

Yes, I have had the 30 plus feet go fast boats come flying around corners looking just on the edge of out of control. Good luck trying to get something done. The Anclote river were I keep my offshore boat has a very narrow channel with just over a mile of unrestricted speed at the mouth of the river. I know of 3 fatalities that have occurred in that stretch. Lots of petitioning but not a damn thing has been done. And, it's full of manatees.
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Old 02-07-2019, 06:30 AM
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Just to be clear, I am not interested in adding any new ordinances, I am asking if there existing ordinances that just need enforcement in this area.
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Old 02-07-2019, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by scrapper01 View Post
who I should contact to ask?



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Old 02-07-2019, 07:39 AM
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The Strip. Been a testing course for the local go fast boaters for a very long time. Spent many a weekend running that strip of water, wide open testing props and tune ups. We even used to ski and hydroslide up and down it as it was the only water that would be decent and you could run fast enough to do it. That was back in the early 90's when there was half the boats on the water around here. Had the law called on us many a times but there was nothing they could do. Thanks for the memories.
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Old 02-07-2019, 08:31 AM
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Obtain a crab trap, drop it about 50' off your dock with a float directly above it, use black poly line, from trap to float, then over to your dock. See what you catch!
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Old 02-07-2019, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Tim_fl View Post
No, it's only enforceable (under Reckless and Careless Operations) if the referenced action occurred in a posted idle or reduced wake zone (which presently it is not) or there is damage to a person or property in which the charge would be after the fact or if the operation of the vessel violated another rules of the road infraction (which would have to be witnessed by an LE) unless damage resulted.

Reckless and Careless Operation
  • Anyone who operates a vessel with willful disregard for the safety of persons or property will be cited for reckless operation (a first-degree misdemeanor).
  • All operators are responsible for operating their vessel in a reasonable and prudent manner with regard for other vessel traffic, posted restrictions, the presence of a divers-down flag and other circumstances so as not to endanger people outside of the vessel or property. Failure to do so is considered careless operation (a non-criminal infraction).
  • A violation of the Federal Navigation Rules is also a violation of Florida law.
Vessel Speed Restrictions Expand/Collapse Vessel Speed Restrictions
  • Any vessel operating in a speed zone posted as "Idle Speed - No Wake" must operate at the minimum speed that allows the vessel to maintain headway and steerageway.
  • Any vessel operating in a speed zone posted as "Slow Down - Minimum Wake" must operate fully off plane and completely settled in the water.
  • The vessel's wake must not be excessive nor create a hazard to other vessels
Florida's boating laws, found in Ch. 327 and Ch. 328, Florida Statutes
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"327.33 Reckless or careless operation of vessel.—
(1) It is unlawful to operate a vessel in a reckless manner. A person who operates any vessel, or manipulates any water skis, aquaplane, or similar device, in willful or wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property at a speed or in a manner as to endanger, or likely to endanger, life or limb, or damage the property of, or injure a person is guilty of reckless operation of a vessel. Reckless operation of a vessel includes, but is not limited to, a violation of s. 327.331(6). A person who violates this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(2) A person who operates any vessel upon the waters of this state shall operate the vessel in a reasonable and prudent manner, having regard for other waterborne traffic, posted speed and wake restrictions, and all other attendant circumstances so as not to endanger the life, limb, or property of another person outside the vessel or to endanger the life, limb, or property of another person due to vessel overloading or excessive speed. The failure to operate a vessel in a manner described in this subsection constitutes careless operation.
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Accepting the situation as presented, sorry, but 60mph+ within 100 feet of docks and shoreline is reckless and endangering, no matter who did what back in the day. In many states, speed within 100-200 feet of shore is specifically prohibited, unless picking up or dropping a skier. FL seems to have missed the boat on that, but reckless is reckless. Based on the map shown, there would be little chance to slow down if someone pulled out into that channel, and at those speeds, those pulling out would be unlikely to see anyone coming.

If you want something done, take video, call the cops and CG, and when/if they do nothing, call the local news crew.
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Old 02-07-2019, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by scrapper01 View Post


south of Venetian Islands North of Snell Isle



Lived in Venetian Isles for 10 years so I know that channel very well. It's not very wide and not very far away from the docks. There is no posted speed limit so what he's doing may technically be legal but not very smart. I would contact FWC and see what the requirement is for posting it. BTW I was coming home after dark one evening and caught up with someone pulling their kids on a tube in that channel.
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Old 02-07-2019, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by mikefloyd View Post
Lived in Venetian Isles for 10 years so I know that channel very well. It's not very wide and not very far away from the docks. There is no posted speed limit so what he's doing may technically be legal but not very smart. I would contact FWC and see what the requirement is for posting it. BTW I was coming home after dark one evening and caught up with someone pulling their kids on a tube in that channel.
How about the river channel you live on now.
The back side of the channel is getting fairly crazy for those that know how to run it.

And, it's right in front of your place. I can at speed run it all the way to the Stamas house and right in front of Kenyons legally and within 10 feet of the docks.

I wish they would no wake lots of places and I hate extra regulation but this is just another example of too many people.

It's every where in this state.
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Old 02-08-2019, 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by mikefloyd View Post
BTW I was coming home after dark one evening and caught up with someone pulling their kids on a tube in that channel.
Wow - now that's a high degree stupidity.
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Old 02-08-2019, 08:57 PM
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sniff....sniff....sniff, I smell a yank
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Old 02-09-2019, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by 20biminitwist View Post
How about the river channel you live on now.
The back side of the channel is getting fairly crazy for those that know how to run it.

And, it's right in front of your place. I can at speed run it all the way to the Stamas house and right in front of Kenyons legally and within 10 feet of the docks.

I wish they would no wake lots of places and I hate extra regulation but this is just another example of too many people.

It's every where in this state.
Lived here for 2.5 years and most of the boats turn out to the main channel before they get to my dock. It may happen when I'm not here but I've never seen anyone come anywhere near my dock at speed. But have seen more than one boat hit the sand bars east of here. Ditto on the population growth.
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Old 02-09-2019, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by mikefloyd View Post
Lived here for 2.5 years and most of the boats turn out to the main channel before they get to my dock. It may happen when I'm not here but I've never seen anyone come anywhere near my dock at speed. But have seen more than one boat hit the sand bars east of here. Ditto on the population growth.
Not many do as they don't know how and you need high water. That said, the same place that everyone cuts through across from AVM to miss the no wake at the mouth has gotten a little scary. There was only a handful that used to do it. But, Monkey see Monkey do. You lucky the masses haven't figured it out because you can run it all the way to Port Tarpon if you know how.
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Old 02-10-2019, 06:50 AM
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My favorite are the people who like to wakeboard in that channel with all the boat traffic. People are idiots
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Old 02-10-2019, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by mgrandu1 View Post
sniff....sniff....sniff, I smell a yank
Usually around here its the transplanted yanks running their boats like dick heads.

Primarily because they never learned how to run inside before they got down here and run everywhere like they're still on big water...

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Old 02-11-2019, 08:34 AM
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Know exactly where you are. I am in Tierra Verde and have the same issue. Many years ago residents tried to get a speed limit imposed but could not get a sufficient number of signatures. We are definitely a free for all and r can't keep anything in the water.

When people visit by boat we take all sorts of precautions tying up and fendering.

Your sea wall is not liking it either.
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Old 02-11-2019, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by scrapper01 View Post


south of Venetian Islands North of Snell Isle



I am moving to that side of town up Smacks Bayou next month. I can agree with you some people fly through that area. It is almost not wide enough for two boats in some areas. I cruise at 20-25 through there if there are no other boats around but youre right if someone in a kayak came out from one of those docks quickly it could be messy.
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Old 02-12-2019, 07:21 AM
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I'm in Venetian Isles (matter of fact, I can see that channel from my home office ), and use that channel frequently. Anything to avoid the point, which is the roughest part of the bay by far, unless I'm headed back into Weedon Isle. Admittedly, I use that stretch to "exercise" my boat on occasion, but certainly don't run 60mph+ through there. I'll only run up the RPM's if there's no other boats in the channel. I can certainly hear the go-fast boats you're referring to, particularly on weekends.

When I moved into the neighborhood 18 years ago, I was surprised that there wasn't a posted 25mph speed limit on that stretch, particularly with the right-angle turn off of Venetian Isles (I've seen many boaters cut that marker and remove the paint from their skeg) and boats coming off of lifts. I'll make a slow pass towards Snell Isle looking for manatees, boats lowered on lifts, other obstacles/hazards, etc., then turn around and make the run back on the stretch with full visibility down the entire channel. People ski, wakeboard and tube on that channel as well, so I'm always on the lookout.
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