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Old 01-09-2019, 08:16 AM
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Hmm. More pictures and design ideas please. ��
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Old 01-09-2019, 10:36 AM
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You won't build anything worthwhile for $15K. Your dock as drawn is probably a $25-$30K project after all permits, materials, etc.

First off, 10K lift is too small if that is going to be your only lift. I'd go 15K at least. At the very very least, make sure you have pilings placed to handle 15K eventually if you are super budget constrained.

If your seawall is 10 years old or more, you're going to really want to look at having it redone. At a minimum, make sure you get a competent seawall contractor to inspect it (don't rely on home inspectors for anything water related). You can budget roughly $400/ft for a new seawall.

Your basic dock layout is good, though in many areas you are going to have a problem getting that permitted as a new dock. Work on the assumption that you can have a max of 250' of dock space, plus a 5' wide x 20' walkway to the dock (NOT separate walkway on other side of lift as you have drawn).

Ask for very specific data on what is required to get a dock permitted at EACH property you look at. It varies by city, county, HOA/various deeds, etc. If you are going to need neighbor approval for variances talk to those neighbors first. If you need HOA approval, talk to HOA architecture committee president up front.

Run 220V to the dock for the lift, 120V sucks.
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Old 01-09-2019, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by gfretwell View Post
If at all possible look at you property by boat and get of an idea what your "Out" time is from the dock to where you can crank up and run.. Read any manatee zone signs carefully. This time of your there are a lot of places where you can crank up and run but in the summer it might be slow speed or vice versa. Typically manatee rules flip flop in spring and fall depending on where the power plant or other warm water sources are.
Yes, good advice. Manatee zones, bridges, NWZ's, etc. can all make a "deal" property suddenly become unattractive when you realize you have a 30 minute slow ride out to any kind of open water.
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Old 01-09-2019, 10:55 AM
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$15k for a lift and dock?? Are you kidding or serious?? as others have said: get a decent marine contractor. That is a job in and of itself. Make sure they don't hire convicted felons and drug addicts and alcoholics as help. Licensed and proper permits. Who does the engineering? Just the engineering costs roughly $2,000 alone. Before I would put any bid in on a house, get an actual bid form a marine contractor, so you know what you are getting into. Are there mangroves??? Those are a HUGE deal killer. Seawall rehab might cost you $30,000 plus engineering costs and permit costs. Enviro study with Army Corp. Lifts cost roughly $1,000 per 1000-lbs of capacity. You might be able to get a 16,000-lb lift for your $15,000, LOLOLOL.And you will need county permits. Do you actually think they will pass anything that you want to do yourself? If they know part of the work will be done by the homeowner, they will probably scrutinize the work more than a licensed contractor that they know. If you get a good contractor, they will be able to suggest designs that will fall under the various regulatory board needs. Do you want plastic wood decking that is easy on your feet, i.e. doesn't absorb sun as much. Pull out your wallet buddy. BOHICA. Yes on 220 volt with GFI protector. The electrician and plumber will cost you probably $3-6,000 for water & electricity.

You better start doing lots of research and talking with experienced marine people, not THT. The realtor will feed you plenty of crapola about how cheap it will be. Baloney. Good luck. Money can solve anything.

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Old 01-10-2019, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by signmansez View Post
As mentioned, building a dock where there has never been one can subject you to many agencies getting involved in your project. Better scenario would be to find a house with an existing dock, even if it doesn't fit your needs. Then add to it or rebuild it to your liking.

Research the dock and seawall codes and permitting process on your prospective house BEFORE closing. It can be a deal killer for you.

For instance, our city has strict rules on how much dock we can have and where it is located on the seawall.

Good luck in your search, where are you looking?
We are looking in the Shore Acres area of St Pete.
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Old 01-10-2019, 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by kpaulhus View Post
We are looking in the Shore Acres area of St Pete.
Which side of the 40th Ave bridge?
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Old 01-10-2019, 06:39 AM
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Lots of good information here. I appreciate it and realize my budget might be enough for a lift and water/electric. We have seen some houses with a standard 10X15 dock with a step and pilings for a lift but no actual lift. I will likely rule out any homes without a dock already as I don't really want to go through the hassle you all are explaining of permits and whatnot.

We have taken the boat through all canals that we are looking to live on at low tide. Unless you're on the very end of the canal there doesn't appear to be issues with shoaling. 2 bridges to go under and they're both tall enough right now for my t-top. Also, they're making the lower one minimum 14ft clearance right now so it will never be an issue.

This will be our first home on the water and my realtor hasn't bought a home on the water yet, but we are already reaching out to marine inspectors for the sea wall and dock structure.

Thank you all again.


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Old 01-10-2019, 06:40 AM
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Which side of the 40th Ave bridge?
The north side. They are doing construction now to raise the bridge. We currently fit under it fine as is.
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low profile dock is the way to go - don't mess up your view!!
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Old 01-10-2019, 06:44 AM
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Here in the keys, yes likely more $$$ the rule of thumb is $1.00 per pound. A 32 foot boat you would need a 12K lift min IMHO, I also like to over capacity the lift so that it is stronger than nee for 2 reasons.

IRMA was a great example. I still have my boat The other is if you decide to get a bigger or heavier boat you are not going to be limited.

If allowed a cover to stop Noon time sun would be great also. But down here that is not permitted.

My canal only allows my to parallel to the seawall. I am OK with that but if waxing the boat, that does require me to do 1 side them move the boat to do the other side. Lastly think about easy boarding. Yea today we all just jump on the boat..... Oh now we have 50 pounds of ice, add a few years older and this all becomes a challenge. Good luck with your efforts, and smart move asking around as alot of responses may be good ideas, save you from issues, or just plain BS. But you will now have more info to make a better decision based on the exact places and situation you are in.

Highflier.

BTW I put a 17K lift under my 29' cat.
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by kpaulhus View Post
The north side. They are doing construction now to raise the bridge. We currently fit under it fine as is.
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I live in the Tampa Bay area and just went through this nightmare in the last year and we didn't have the added headache/restrictions of trying to engineer a dock for a space restricted canal. There are limits on the dock square footage relative to the amount of sea wall frontage you have. On top of that, they have restrictions on the size of the main dock in relation to walk way, lower steps, etc. The boat lift is the cheap part of the equation. Unless you're a certified, licensed marine contractor, forget about building the dock yourself. You have multiple permits that must be pulled (both county and state have to sign off) for the dock and pilings, then you have electrical permitting for the boat lift and plumbing if you plan to run water (to do things legally. Just as a ballpark, figure $20-25k minimum, for a boat lift and 125 +/_ sq footage of dock/walk way with the legal permitting. In most areas of the county, you can't even repair an existing dock, let alone replace one, without permitting. And as someone else said, check water depth....I would make several trips to the house you're looking at, especially at low tide, to see how the water level looks....and talk to neighbors. At our dock, it all looks normal at high tide, but on a really low tide, you can see 4' of exposed mud at the base of the seawall. At the end of a canal, you may have to go in parallel to shore and go with an elevator style lift instead of four post.
I am buidling on a 38 ft wide canal in brevard. Regs only allow 20% distance without a variance. 8ft in my cas4e
Instead of the variance process. I replaced my seawall and did a 70ft section that was inset into my property approx 4.5 ft.
Wasn't cheap but much easier than a county variance process. I now have 12.5 feet of beam to work with. Also increased the size of my turn around for myself and neighbors.
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Old 01-10-2019, 01:31 PM
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If there's an existing dock, the permitting is much easier, particularly if you're building within the same footprint. We're around the corner from that area, and I just replaced a sea wall and dock. With the prevalence of docks and lifts in that area, permitting won't be a hassle, even if there's no existing structure.

A 12x12 dock with a 6' finger was I believe around $10K (we decided not to use composite decking). While I'd love to have a more "sophisticated" set-up, we just went with a 12'x12' dock and a 6'x4' finger alongside the boat lift. My dream set-up would be one of those platform lifts.



When you start expanding beyond a 12x12 dock, the pricing goes up pretty quickly as additional pilings are needed, and the structure can be more complex. Add finger piers, lower landings, etc., and the price goes higher and higher. In my case, we're on a canal that opens to the bay, and during storms, we can get real THT 1'-2's in the canal, so I had my entire dock built simple and high. Back in Shore Acres, the canals are always calm, so lower landings and other additions can be nice. Really depends on how much you think you'll use the dock. I would definitely love to have access to both sides of the boat, which your design above might accomplish. If I remember correctly, there's a maximum allowable square footage for the main dock, but I don't believe finger piers are included in the calculation. Your best bet would be to have a few dock/lift companies come out and review some plans and costs. You'll likely find that prices are all over the place.
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