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Old 01-18-2019, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by signmansez View Post
The problem is you have capitalists that are dealing with a corrupt, broke, socialist government. The Bahamanian govt can't tie their own shoes let alone manage a country.
They have run out of ''other'' people's money and are now for sale to the highest bidder.
We are headed to the Abacos for our umpteenth time in 25 years.
We are renting the same house we did 5 years ago, flying the same airline (Air Unlimited), and renting the same boat for the week. Trip is costing us $4k more than just 5 years ago!! Taxes, fees and corruption have crippled many areas of the Bahamas.

Keep biting the hand that feeds you and eventually it bites back harder.
My parents started taking me to the Bahamas when it was still crown territory and over the past couple years my feelings have changed. I bought a big boat, load it up with a month’s supply of chow, refreshments, bait, and fuel, pay my $300 then island hop. Money goes where it’s treated best. Between a few nights in marinas and fuel my VAT tax alone last year reached around $1K. Jack it up another grand or two and they’ll be plenty of dockage available. Remember how much Bahamians pay to enter/leave the USA? We want the business.
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Old 01-18-2019, 07:43 PM
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My parents started taking me to the Bahamas when it was still crown territory and over the past couple years my feelings have changed. I bought a big boat, load it up with a month’s supply of chow, refreshments, bait, and fuel, pay my $300 then island hop. Money goes where it’s treated best. Between a few nights in marinas and fuel my VAT tax alone last year reached around $1K. Jack it up another grand or two and they’ll be plenty of dockage available. Remember how much Bahamians pay to enter/leave the USA? We want the business.
Yes. The VAT tax has made everything exponentially more expensive. The expense combined with the poor service and often negative vibes from the locals has my wife question my island plans each trip lately. There are still some places in the islands where you feel welcome and don’t feel like you’re getting raked over the coals but they seem to be getting harder to come by.
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Old 01-19-2019, 04:39 AM
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I notice the VAT as well. What has really made a difference for me is to not go 6/15-8/1. Much more chill outside of those weeks.
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Old 01-19-2019, 07:43 AM
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Old Bahama Bay remains open. Skyline does not own any real estate at Old Bahama Bay as of yet. There has been no closing. In fact, Skyline has had a signed contract for over a year now that their due diligence period ended. Some areas, not all of the resort are for sale by LRA the owners of certain areas after the foreclosures.

The fuel docks will not be removed, That is rumor and nothing more. LRA does not own the property that the dock office, fuel docks fuel tanks, marina restroom and bathhouse, customers and immigration or the bait and tackle shop. Note do they own every slip in the marina. Further they do not own the condo/hotel.

We are working hard to preserve our rights and the rights or our owners and guests. Please stay tuned for factual updates and not rumor.

Latest New:
Go to the Freeport news and check the editorial on skyline.
Heading: skyline investments west end grand bahama project in jeopardy.


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Old 01-19-2019, 09:54 AM
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HERE IS THE ARTICLE OBB WAS REFERRING TO:
The absence of representative personnel in West Grand Bahama, has fueled a rumor that Skyline Investments Limited has pulled out of the proposed mega resort project.

Last year at a high-profile town meeting in West Grand Bahama, with government officials present, Skyline Investment representatives expressed the intent to take over the Old Ginn Sur Mer property with a project in mind that included hundreds of hotel rooms, restaurants, a sports complex and the reopening of the airport in West End, a financial package of around $2 billion.

Of late though the process has seemed stalled and a source has informed that, apparently unable to solicit sufficient funding, Skyline Investments could soon pull out of the deal.

However, we made contact with Michael Scott, the legal representative for LRA (Lubert Alder) OBB Limited, which owns the operations building at Old Bahama Bay. He claims that the only snag he knows of is that his client is unable to take possession fully of its property.

Old Bahama Bay Resort has long operated its day-to-day business from the building and presently continues as per usual, despite several conflicts recently, that threatened closure of the business.

Scott said as far as he is concerned, the Skyline project is going forward.

“Unless something just happened that I know nothing about, the only problem is that my client is not able to take possession of its property,” Scott told The Freeport News on Thursday.

The West Grand Bahama investment conflict continues to be a hot issue. The pending litigation between the parties, most definitely would be a factor in the silence of Skyline Investments, but in general the quiet has been alarming.

Nothing has been forthcoming recently from the Bahamas Government which touted the proposed project and made a public appeal for the feuding investors to seek to reach a compromise in the interest of the 100-plus substantive employees and contract vendors at Old Bahama Bay Resort, and indeed the economy of the entire West Grand Bahama.

The parties seem far apart and it appears only a court ruling will resolve the issue.

In the meantime, we have been told that the employees at Old Bahama Bay Resort are settling down in the aftermath of weeks of uncertainty regarding their future, and, continue to provide quality service as prime tourism and hospitality ambassadors.

Old Bahama Bay Resort is a subsidiary of Island Venture Resort Club (IVRC) and has been the driving force for the economy of the west sector of Grand Bahama for more than a decade.
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Old 01-21-2019, 06:32 AM
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Here is what the actual sign says that was posted. The marina had quite a few boats on Thursday and Friday.
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Old 01-21-2019, 06:57 AM
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Notice the Flyer is labeled LRA OBB and not IVRC OBB. IVRC is the owners HOA that currently runs the resort under a lease from LRA. This closure is not from OBB but from the landlord LRA.
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by RTime View Post
oBB had a booth at the Stuart Boat Show and I asked the reps what's going on over there. He stated that it was all rumors and nothing is changing. He then Handed me a brochure for the new Grand Harbour at Old Bahama Bay Resort.
www.grandeharbour.com
OBB Grand Harbour is an owner influenced expansion. A group of investors headed by our HOA president bought the property from the seawall to the first canal, all the way to the guard shack including and existing undeveloped marine basin, the fuel dock, customs office and marina bath houses. The intent is to build another marina and if LRA or Skyline does not want to work with the current condo HOA then we have a fall back plan.
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:05 AM
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Yes, that is correct. The owner of the property has posted these signs. Unfortunately, it was already determined that IVRC does not have a valid lease anymore. Of course, OBB does not want to shut down, but with all that has transpired with the hostile environment towards the existing employees, they are going to be the big losers in this deal. All Adler wants to do is cash out and have a "changing of the guard" so to speak. Let's see how he does at getting anyone to work there now.
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:25 AM
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Sad to see this happen, the crew at OBB have always been welcoming and always remember my boat and my name, even if I show up only 1 or 2times a year.
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Old 01-21-2019, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Ahoy Vay View Post


That is why we are patronizing the Keys moving forward.
I wish that was an option but the Keys are overfished and just a general dump IMO, that's why we started heading east. I think the solution is to just suck it up and run to the Abacos and enjoy that before it gets developed.

Originally Posted by signmansez View Post
The problem is you have capitalists that are dealing with a corrupt, broke, socialist government. The Bahamanian govt can't tie their own shoes let alone manage a country.
They have run out of ''other'' people's money and are now for sale to the highest bidder.
We are headed to the Abacos for our umpteenth time in 25 years.
We are renting the same house we did 5 years ago, flying the same airline (Air Unlimited), and renting the same boat for the week. Trip is costing us $4k more than just 5 years ago!! Taxes, fees and corruption have crippled many areas of the Bahamas.

Keep biting the hand that feeds you and eventually it bites back harder.

The government definitely seems to want nothing but $$$ and not looking out for the locals, unfortunately I don't think that's what is triggering the higher costs. With cheap gas, better electronics, better motors, better boats, and cheaper/better/more flights the Bahamas are more accessible than ever. I think what we're seeing is the little guy with the 90's Mako is just getting priced out because everyone including your neighbors brothers stepsons son in law is running over there with their 39' Yellowfin and buying the place up. No one cares about the family cruiser that's just trying to catch a couple lobster and spends a total of $500 on a boat slip and ice.
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Old 01-22-2019, 06:19 AM
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While I've stayed at OBB, and before that Jack Tar, I really prefer the "real Bahamas" facilities like " Bootle Bay". Owned and operated by a lovely Bahamian family , Bootle Bay is right around the corner from OBB (about 3+_miles). They offer quaint cottages, slips, Bahamian cooking and tremendous personalized service. Vida and his family are simply terrific.
If any TNTers' are familiar with other like fishing facilities on Grand Bahama Island, please post them. Thank you, Capt. Billy/Right Stuff
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Old 01-22-2019, 07:02 AM
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Vida is good people and Bootle Bay is awesome.
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Old 01-22-2019, 07:18 AM
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Mark, what happened between Bootle Bay and Blue Marlin ? PM me if you prefer. I would really like to know. Thank you Mark.
I enjoy and appreciate your explanations of what's happening at OBB. Thank you. Capt. Billy/Right Stuff
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Old 01-22-2019, 07:38 AM
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Dolphin, no big deal, pm sent
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Old 01-22-2019, 07:44 AM
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Bootle Bay is great if you have a shallow draft or Center Console. OBB has always been easier to get out of, especially on a 20 knot SE wind. The old cut when it was Jack Tar was fun when it was a west wind. Anyways, back on point, I just hope that somehow the new "owners" will get a quick dose of reality and that they need to work together during this transition. Who is Barefoot Marketing anyways?
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Old 01-22-2019, 09:17 AM
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I've learned a lot reading this. I didn't know the common areas could be owned by others. Makes it easy for those that control the common areas to tank the home values. Then maybe they can buy them, fix the problem they created and resell them.
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Old 01-22-2019, 09:19 AM
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I've learned a lot reading this. I didn't know the common areas could be owned by others. Makes it easy for those that control the common areas to tank the home values. Then maybe they can buy them, fix the problem they created and resell them.
I thought the same thing.
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Old 01-22-2019, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by BoulderGT3 View Post
I've learned a lot reading this. I didn't know the common areas could be owned by others. Makes it easy for those that control the common areas to tank the home values. Then maybe they can buy them, fix the problem they created and resell them.
True and typically once a development is finished, the builder deeds the common areas back to the HOA. Since OBB never finished the development, stopping after phase 3, this never happened. I bought in to Phase 2 and Phase 3 where each of my deeds states that I own 3.16% and 4.19% of the common areas respectively where Phase 1 does not contain that verbiage. We are working it all out and I am confident that we have a good mitigation plan if it doesn't.
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Old 01-22-2019, 09:27 AM
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If you were going to purchase there, it would be great to know this ahead of time. Perhaps the homeowners knew that early on and that is the reason most of the homes are for sale at a fraction of what they cost to build. Going to be an interesting scenario.
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