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Old 12-23-2018, 06:44 AM
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Any recommendations for a guide on our boat (Tarpon 26) out of Key West 27th or 28th December? New to us boat and trailering down from tampa for some fishing of almost any variety recommended!
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Old 12-23-2018, 08:53 AM
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Try Capt "barefoot" Larry of Native Guidance. PM me for his number.
When I moved to the Key's I hired him several times a year to learn the waters, navigation, and fishing tutorial. He is knowledgeable, Affordable, and a real hoot!
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Old 12-23-2018, 12:45 PM
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My messages back to you won't go through so: Capt Larry 305 393 4153 Native Guidance Brad G
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Old 12-23-2018, 01:37 PM
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I got it and called to chat with him, thank you!
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Old 12-24-2018, 11:02 AM
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ellejoe, was he open to it? I asked this forum for recommendations for this exact thing last year. I got a couple of suggestions to call, but when I talked to them the captains weren't interested.
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Old 12-25-2018, 09:58 AM
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I get asked a lot and am open for private’s, but I think it’s important to be reasonable with your expectations for any guide running or advising on a new vessel. Also there are limitations that are not immediately apparent until the day of the trip. Without going on several trips feeling out a boat takes time, i ran a 26’ mid tier vessel to the west last year and beat the console out of it trying to come home. It was not a crazy rough day but I did not have a feel for a boat that size or caliber. The owner didn’t want to drive so I did want I thought a boat that size would do.

As as far as fishing limitations The live wells failed and clogged with the pilchards the anchor was improper for the size of vessel. Some rods were missing the guides causing random failures in the line in most of the fish that pulled any drag

We had a bad day, I should have walked away from that trip in the morning and got slammed here on THT for refusing to go or to a lesser extent being “not interested”. It’s unfair to compare the success I can achieve with my tools vs the first time on someone else’s boat the bottom machine looks different the bow is waxed so the net is more dangerous to throw and the pay is usually significantly less than the norm. It’s not any cheaper for me or anyone to go on a private boat the only expense it spares me is the fuel. I am gunna end this rant because I could type about this all day.
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Old 12-25-2018, 06:03 PM
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Yes, he was!
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Totally get where you are coming from. We were truly just looking for some local and pro knowledge to have a good day on the boat, we are trying to be prepared (boat, equipment, etc) so any knowledge that is passed on is very useful. Catching fish is just the (highly desirable!) bonus. Completely understand not everyone is open to this concept, found a couple of guys that advertise it but one even said we would need to meet first and go shopping! I guess if no one else is chartering that day could be a good deal. Just trying to learn and have a great time on the water during the limited time we are in the area and heck we are trailing it all the way down, got to use it! Have a good one! :-)
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The shopping idea can seem like a drag but it can be a good chance at getting first hand info on what tactics work locally for a variety of species as well as talk over your vessel and it’s anchor
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I understand a captain's hesitation to go on an unfamiliar/subpar vessel with unknown/subpar gear.

My boat is a 33' express. My gear is top shelf. My live well works like a champ. I have multiple anchors on the boat, grapnel breakaway and Delta style, with plenty of chain and a high quality windlass. I'm not a rookie fisherman. I just wanted to learn local techniques from a true KW local captain, and I was willing to pay basically whatever was asked. No dice. I guess all the guys with poor performing center consoles, undersized anchors, and clogged livewells ruined it for me...

I ended up using a well known THT regular from a few keys north. We caught one nice bull and several other decent dolphin, which was great. And he certainly proved that expensive gear is not needed to catch fish - the stuff he brought on my boat was like Sanford and Son fishing. The experience was instructive, if not quite exactly my style... But hey, bottom line I was: I paid to learn, and at the end of the day we had fish and more knowledge, so it was a success.

But I still crave some keys-style bottom fishing lessons. Learning to catch local live bait, etc... I wish Miami Mutton Man would come to KW.
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Does your express have outboards?
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Old 12-26-2018, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by knotyacht View Post
I understand a captain's hesitation to go on an unfamiliar/subpar vessel with unknown/subpar gear.

My boat is a 33' express. My gear is top shelf. My live well works like a champ. I have multiple anchors on the boat, grapnel breakaway and Delta style, with plenty of chain and a high quality windlass. I'm not a rookie fisherman. I just wanted to learn local techniques from a true KW local captain, and I was willing to pay basically whatever was asked. No dice. I guess all the guys with poor performing center consoles, undersized anchors, and clogged livewells ruined it for me...

I ended up using a well known THT regular from a few keys north. We caught one nice bull and several other decent dolphin, which was great. And he certainly proved that expensive gear is not needed to catch fish - the stuff he brought on my boat was like Sanford and Son fishing. The experience was instructive, if not quite exactly my style... But hey, bottom line I was: I paid to learn, and at the end of the day we had fish and more knowledge, so it was a success.

But I still crave some keys-style bottom fishing lessons. Learning to catch local live bait, etc... I wish Miami Mutton Man would come to KW.
So go charter the top guys on their own boats lol? Seems pretty easy especially since you're able to pay top dollar.
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Originally Posted by keywestjack View Post
Does your express have outboards?
Yes.
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So go charter the top guys on their own boats lol? Seems pretty easy especially since you're able to pay top dollar.
The experience is vastly different. You're saying that if I want to learn to cook, I should go eat at a restaurant. I don't want to get fed; I want to go to school.
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The outboard 33 should have no problem with the live bait catching, but it’s often too shallow for a straight shaft boat.


As far as going to a restaurant to learn to cook, im not saying take a charter or pound sand.

Infact I suggested the “chef” hit the grocery store WITH you to show you exactly what he is using to cook before they head to your home for the lesson. I prefer to have no excuses as to why something didn’t work. If we can eliminate differences between our tools then we can get down to the subtle differences in the approach. I’m not insinuating that somehow me having 30’ of Chain makes me a better person or something. I am however implying that there are tangible differences in the tools that I use to be successful and that the expectation that any guide can jump into an unknown boat and whack the fish is a tough one to bring to fruition.
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The outboard 33 should have no problem with the live bait catching, but it’s often too shallow for a straight shaft boat.

As far as going to a restaurant to learn to cook, im not saying take a charter or pound sand.

Infact I suggested the “chef” hit the grocery store WITH you to show you exactly what he is using to cook before they head to your home for the lesson. I prefer to have no excuses as to why something didn’t work. If we can eliminate differences between our tools then we can get down to the subtle differences in the approach. I’m not insinuating that somehow me having 30’ of Chain makes me a better person or something. I am however implying that there are tangible differences in the tools that I use to be successful and that the expectation that any guide can jump into an unknown boat and whack the fish is a tough one to bring to fruition.
Jack I appreciate your comments here and elsewhere on this thread. I agree taking the chef to the market is a good plan. I'm in! Heck, I outfitted my boat with the Miami Mutton Man required gear list even though I wasn't using him. I figured if he thought those were the tools needed, I should get them too... Now, how to turn them into fish... still working on that part!

Again, I think all your points are completely in line and reasonable. My specific whining is that it seems like most of the common objections to "rent a captain" aren't quite as applicable to me/my vessel/my gear/my willingness to go shopping - so I'm slightly bitter. Ha.

Now - among the things I have been able to figure out is how to catch plenty of 12-13" YTs (in 35' - 50' of water). But the larger fish I see back at the marina I hear guys say they usually caught in 80 - 100'. And that's where I am failing - when I'm bottom fishing in water that deep I am striking out. I'm either not in the right places, not using the right techniques, or both. Probably both.

But... I'm surely not going to stop trying!
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Depth can be important but like you said sometimes it is how it’s done and not so much where. Being in tune with the wind current and water color is something you learn over time and isn’t going to always be the same at each spot. Intuition is what I want to hire a local for, far more important to me than anything else.
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The experience is vastly different. You're saying that if I want to learn to cook, I should go eat at a restaurant. I don't want to get fed; I want to go to school.
You’re 100% wrong.
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Originally Posted by Eye8atoad View Post
You’re 100% wrong.
Thank you for the insightful contribution to the discussion?
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good luck- it may b lumpy
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