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kpaulhus 10-03-2018 07:55 AM

Looking at purchasing a home in SW Pinellas County
 
Hello THT. This is my first thread though I have been reading a ton over the last month or so.

I just bought my first boat in June and already want a 31ft Competition or Contender so I can make comfortable offshore runs into the Gulf, but that's a story for a few years from now.

My wife and I currently live in the most Northeast corner of Hillsborough and we currently trailer our boat to Maximo most of the time for fishing. My wife just got a new job in Rocky Point so her commute really sucks. I work from home, so no problem for me. I quit golf to take up fishing and like my other obsessions, we go all in on it. With that said, South Pasadena or the Maximo area on the water would be an ideal spot for us due to our weekend rituals. I like to go to Hockey games in Channelside and we both know moving down there would only shorten my wife's commute by 15 minutes or so, but I love the idea of not having to trailer my boat anymore and living on the water has a lot of upside.

I wanted to ask THT members what the area was like specifically during snowbird season. Commute right now for her would be about 30 minutes to Rocky Point. Is that going to double in February? Any pros/cons in that SW St Pete area? Prefer not to live on the east side of Pinellas as we drove around the area this weekend and even though downtown is cool, its not really what we want.

Also - What would a dock/lift cost capable of a 10k lift. Some homes just have a small 5x10 dock out back with no lift, so trying to figure out some upfront costs.

scott_gunn 10-03-2018 08:27 AM

If I remember right, a 10k lift is around $8-$9k, not counting the rest of the dock. In my case, the rest of the dock was a similar amount.

I'm toying with the idea of selling my waterfront home in N. Pinellas, not sure if you'd be interested in that location.

kpaulhus 10-03-2018 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by scott_gunn (Post 11867832)
If I remember right, a 10k lift is around $8-$9k, not counting the rest of the dock. In my case, the rest of the dock was a similar amount.

I'm toying with the idea of selling my waterfront home in N. Pinellas, not sure if you'd be interested in that location.

We looked at Palm Harbor, but most of our fishing is in the Gulf and the thought of running an additional 20 ish miles through the bay to the skyway to get out past Egmont doesn't sound appealing.

scott_gunn 10-03-2018 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by kpaulhus (Post 11867859)
We looked at Palm Harbor, but most of our fishing is in the Gulf and the thought of running an additional 20 ish miles through the bay to the skyway to get out past Egmont doesn't sound appealing.

You must mean Safety Harbor. Palm Harbor is on the gulf, it's straight out to offshore.

Commocean 10-03-2018 09:45 AM

Your price range is going to dictate where you look. My dad lived on the water in Maximo for many years and loved it. It's a great boating location, easy access to 275 makes commutes more tolerable, and it's a quick shot to downtown St. Pete. or the beaches.

capt. kidd 10-03-2018 10:27 AM

The commute from south pinellas to rocky point will be pretty bad. Not sure if it will be worse than what your wife currently does though. I live off 4th st and 89th in St Pete. It takes me 40 min each morning to go about 14 miles to work at Rocky Point. The way home is about 30. It's almost always bad heading into Tampa over Howard Franklin bridge every morning and worse if there's an accident. What I described is pretty much how it will be year round, plus the added distance from the south of the county to get up to where I leave from. The snowbirds don't really commute in the morning from St Pete to Tampa over the bridge.

Also, heading south in the evening it tends to back up and slow down past the 4th street exit. Maybe try the commute a couple times before making the move.

kpaulhus 10-03-2018 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by scott_gunn (Post 11868063)
You must mean Safety Harbor. Palm Harbor is on the gulf, it's straight out to offshore.

Ahh, yes. Still getting my geography down over there. Palm Harbor is an option for sure. Still saving up a few more months and getting our current place ready to list.


Originally Posted by Commocean (Post 11868139)
Your price range is going to dictate where you look. My dad lived on the water in Maximo for many years and loved it. It's a great boating location, easy access to 275 makes commutes more tolerable, and it's a quick shot to downtown St. Pete. or the beaches.

We're probably looking at something under $850K.


Originally Posted by capt. kidd (Post 11868283)
The commute from south pinellas to rocky point will be pretty bad. Not sure if it will be worse than what your wife currently does though. I live off 4th st and 89th in St Pete. It takes me 40 min each morning to go about 14 miles to work at Rocky Point. The way home is about 30. It's almost always bad heading into Tampa over Howard Franklin bridge every morning and worse if there's an accident. What I described is pretty much how it will be year round, plus the added distance from the south of the county to get up to where I leave from. The snowbirds don't really commute in the morning from St Pete to Tampa over the bridge.

Also, heading south in the evening it tends to back up and slow down past the 4th street exit. Maybe try the commute a couple times before making the move.

Thanks for that. Right now a good day for her is 45 mins. Shes seen 90 mins with accidents and there is no easy way to get from where she works to home now. We will have to try it out and see. I thought Clearwater would be a better option considering its just Hwy 60 all the way, but not sure with lights and whatnot. Waterfront housing in our price range seems to be more plentiful the further south we looked.

22 BX Pro 10-03-2018 11:59 AM

Don't really need to be on the water over this way. There is at least 5 ramps within a couple minute drive from most places in west St.Pete. Traffic is not bad until you get north of Park Blvd. Heading to Tampa sucks unless it's a Sunday morning. Takes about 45 minutes to get to a Lightning game on week nights. I've lived in the Tyrone and South Pasadena area all my life. If there is a certain area you want some info on let me know.

Commocean 10-03-2018 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by kpaulhus (Post 11868463)
We're probably looking at something under $850K.

That price range leaves quite a bit of territory open to you. If you want to stay on the west coast of the peninsula, Maximo/Marina Harbor, Tierra Verde, Bayway Isles, Yacht Club Estates, Paradise Island, Isle of Palms, Isle of Capri, some of the isles along St. Pete. Beach, etc. Of course $850K might be an entry point into some areas, and will get you more in others, so you'll have to compromise a tad based on location, amenities and square footage.

If you haven't done so, spend a day and cruise through the various neighborhoods to get a feel for the vibe of the area. A lot of the beach neighborhoods are pretty mixed home-wise. Some love it, some don't. I know you mentioned a dislike of the east peninsula, but neighborhoods like Tanglewood, Venetian Isles and Patrician Point might be a consideration. That would shorten the drive to Rocky Point, but lengthen the run to the Gulf.

2_gator 10-03-2018 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by kpaulhus (Post 11867733)
Hello THT. This is my first thread though I have been reading a ton over the last month or so.

I just bought my first boat in June and already want a 31ft Competition or Contender so I can make comfortable offshore runs into the Gulf, but that's a story for a few years from now.

My wife and I currently live in the most Northeast corner of Hillsborough and we currently trailer our boat to Maximo most of the time for fishing. My wife just got a new job in Rocky Point so her commute really sucks. I work from home, so no problem for me. I quit golf to take up fishing and like my other obsessions, we go all in on it. With that said, South Pasadena or the Maximo area on the water would be an ideal spot for us due to our weekend rituals. I like to go to Hockey games in Channelside and we both know moving down there would only shorten my wife's commute by 15 minutes or so, but I love the idea of not having to trailer my boat anymore and living on the water has a lot of upside.

I wanted to ask THT members what the area was like specifically during snowbird season. Commute right now for her would be about 30 minutes to Rocky Point. Is that going to double in February? Any pros/cons in that SW St Pete area? Prefer not to live on the east side of Pinellas as we drove around the area this weekend and even though downtown is cool, its not really what we want.

Also - What would a dock/lift cost capable of a 10k lift. Some homes just have a small 5x10 dock out back with no lift, so trying to figure out some upfront costs.

OP, you will get a ton of different replies, many from people who do not live around the area you are targeting, or from people who just want to bitch about traffic.

My fiancee and I recently moved to the St. Pete Bay Pines area on a canal 2 miles from Johns Pass, and we love it. I work in Tampa, Ybor City to be exact. The commute will be about timing. I need to be in the office at 7am every day, so I leave at 6:10 and it's usually about a 30-35 minute freeflowing ride. Not bad at all. Coming home, leaving at 4:45 it takes 50-60 minutes. I've been doing this every week for the last 5 months, so I have it pretty well figured out. When I hit the gym after work during the bad rush hour from 5:30-6:30, it takes me about 40 minutes to get home, leaving at 6:30ish. Again, not bad. Most people getting into the office between 8-9am will suffer from the rush hour traffic in the morning, and that's where the bad Tampa traffic reputation comes from.

I also JUST put in a new 10k lift and 4 new pilings. You're looking at anywhere from $10-$12k for the 4 pilings and lift only. The pilings for the dock, decking, electrical, etc. will all be extra. I already had a dock, so the permitting process wasn't bad and my contractor handled that. I would be cautious buying a home without a dock, unless you know 100% that you can install a dock as well as a lift. There are some weird riparian laws that can prevent you from doing so, and it would suck to buy a waterfront home without the ability to build your dock.

DocHoliday 10-03-2018 03:12 PM

Living on the East side does add 90 minutes to a day offshore, but many folks go offshore from the bay.

But, when you are not fishing offshore, the East side has a better strategic location for folks who are not retired. You are in range of both Tampa and St Pete employers, faster trip to the airport, and getting off the peninsula and heading north on 275. Better selection of restaurants in downtown St Pete and in Tampa as well. And the East side doesn't have to deal with tourists like you do on the beach side.

Plenty of trash on both sides no matter high expensive your neighborhood is, and too many damn people no matter where you go....

If I was going to live on the ICW, it would either be south of the Don Cesar on Pass-A-Grille/Vina Del Mar or north of Madeira beach. $850 is a good budget

capt. kidd 10-03-2018 10:06 PM


Originally Posted by 2_gator (Post 11868952)
OP, you will get a ton of different replies, many from people who do not live around the area you are targeting, or from people who just want to bitch about traffic.

My fiancee and I recently moved to the St. Pete Bay Pines area on a canal 2 miles from Johns Pass, and we love it. I work in Tampa, Ybor City to be exact. The commute will be about timing. I need to be in the office at 7am every day, so I leave at 6:10 and it's usually about a 30-35 minute freeflowing ride. Not bad at all. Coming home, leaving at 4:45 it takes 50-60 minutes. I've been doing this every week for the last 5 months, so I have it pretty well figured out. When I hit the gym after work during the bad rush hour from 5:30-6:30, it takes me about 40 minutes to get home, leaving at 6:30ish. Again, not bad. Most people getting into the office between 8-9am will suffer from the rush hour traffic in the morning, and that's where the bad Tampa traffic reputation comes from.

I also JUST put in a new 10k lift and 4 new pilings. You're looking at anywhere from $10-$12k for the 4 pilings and lift only. The pilings for the dock, decking, electrical, etc. will all be extra. I already had a dock, so the permitting process wasn't bad and my contractor handled that. I would be cautious buying a home without a dock, unless you know 100% that you can install a dock as well as a lift. There are some weird riparian laws that can prevent you from doing so, and it would suck to buy a waterfront home without the ability to build your dock.


Not complaining so much as giving the OP an honest assessment of commuting time for his wife. Today I went from Rocky point to 22nd ave north in St Pete on 275. Took 55 minutes. Left at 5pm. Not everyone will leave early or stay late to avoid traffic. This is the reality. It gets old every day. I work at home 3 days a week since it sucks so bad.

2_gator 10-04-2018 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by capt. kidd (Post 11870486)
Not complaining so much as giving the OP an honest assessment of commuting time for his wife. Today I went from Rocky point to 22nd ave north in St Pete on 275. Took 55 minutes. Left at 5pm. Not everyone will leave early or stay late to avoid traffic. This is the reality. It gets old every day. I work at home 3 days a week since it sucks so bad.

I wasn't directing my comment specifically at you, capt kidd. Sorry about the confusion. I've seen a lot of these threads with guys from Brandon or Lutz etc. giving advice when they're not actually living in the areas discussed. I agree that 275 is bad, I only use it in the morning and take Gandy home, whether it's at 5pm or 6:30pm.

Something that should be noted is the Selmon Extension, which currently under construction and will make a huge difference for Tampa to Pinellas commuters.

jbdba01 10-04-2018 06:06 AM

FWIW - Just got a quote for 500 sq ft dock (walkway and deck area) + 12K boat lift on the Southshore of Tampa - $25K. Includes remote. Where I'm building the dock is 10 sq ft per foot of linear waterway . I have 50' - so 500 sq ft. Don't forget to include $ to run electricity to dock.

HOA and EPC can influence dock building. I'm in Hillsborough so diff story, but I called and was assure that I had no issues (I got that in email with the person's email address and contact info).

You may have to permit mangrove trimming. More fun with Mangroves here.

Best of luck

mikefloyd 10-04-2018 08:07 AM

Lived in St Pete for 10+ years. Unless you're in the St Pete Beach/South Pasadena area you really need to be north of Central Ave. I know an agent who was born in St Pete and has spent 30+ years selling real estate in that area. PM me for contact info

kpaulhus 10-04-2018 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by 22 BX Pro (Post 11868615)
Don't really need to be on the water over this way. There is at least 5 ramps within a couple minute drive from most places in west St.Pete. Traffic is not bad until you get north of Park Blvd. Heading to Tampa sucks unless it's a Sunday morning. Takes about 45 minutes to get to a Lightning game on week nights. I've lived in the Tyrone and South Pasadena area all my life. If there is a certain area you want some info on let me know.

Is that you, Tim?

Enyar 10-04-2018 11:31 AM

S S Pete to Rocky Point is going to be way more than 45minutes. How long does she plan on working near Rocky Point? If that's you're limitation I would look into Safety Harbor or Bellaire area

dkknaebel 10-04-2018 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by kpaulhus (Post 11871786)
Is that you, Tim?

Yep, that's him.

Icatcher22 10-04-2018 03:54 PM

Put boat in marina down in Maximo or TV and live wherever you want. Problem solved no more trailer.

MikeMadBch 10-04-2018 09:34 PM

I've lived in Madeira Beach for 38 years and I'm a real estate broker (over 26 years). I've got some great connections for docks/lifts and can help put you in touch with the right people for that - I think you're on the money with the cost of a lift being $10-12k for the typical 15,000lb package (just the lift and necessary pilings). There are a few areas with sticky rules about installing docks/lifts and the rules vary with each municipality. Be sure to check on those rules and make it a contingency in any offer to purchase a home where you will need to modify the waterfront setup to match your needs.

At the price point you noted I would recommend focusing on homes that are built up above base flood elevation. We have a potential sh*t-storm coming with regard to flood insurance for waterfront homes that are slab-on-grade. Rates are likely to increase a lot, causing values to drop for the older ranch style homes, while pushing up the values of the elevated homes.

I know the SW Pinellas waterfront areas as well as any other broker and would be glad to help you with any info that you need, even if you are already working with another real estate professional. I'm less helpful when it comes to calculating travel times to Rocky Point, but it looks like you've gotten some solid advice already. I can say that the traffic on the beaches definitely increases a lot during the snowbird season, but I don't usually see as much of an effect on inland traffic.


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