Notices
Like Tree36Likes

FL Towing Overwidth Permit 10' Beam

Old 10-11-2018, 05:08 PM
  #21  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Merritt Island Fl
Posts: 566
Default

So we pay a fee and now were all suddenly safer?
bluewaterposer and IAmMe like this.
baker2605 is offline  
Old 10-11-2018, 05:12 PM
  #22  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location:
Posts: 738
Default

So many boats are manufactured at 8í6Ē beam to meet the towing requirements, but the damn guide posts put you over. Need to invent a fold down/slide in post so overall is the boat beam and nothing more, as trailers for boats of that size are usually much narrower themselves than the boat. I would hate to get a ticket and deal with the hassle due to the posts to have to get a permit. Or even better yet, have a state contractor certified to do the measurements and give you a certificate for that particular truck/boat/trailer so if you do get pulled over you just hand it to LEO, he checks VIN, HIN & trailer serial no. and lets you go right away.
Smoke n Mirrors is offline  
Old 10-11-2018, 06:05 PM
  #23  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Pensacola, Fl
Posts: 11,168
Default

Consider that Guides ons are bolted on accessories. I regularly tow a boat 8'6" wide, with "Guide-ons" to the keys with an RV which is 8' 6" wide, plus accessories (The total length is just shy of 65' so it would draw attention). These include mirrors and items such as window awnings. I have never been stopped in the keys, despite going thru Key Largo each trip- If you were worried about the accessory "Guide-ons" then you can undo the 8 nuts which keep most of them in place and stow them in the boat....or do like the rest of us and not sweat these accessories. I have asked Florida troopers about the guide ons and the RV accessories and been told that they are not measured.
thataway is offline  
Old 10-11-2018, 06:35 PM
  #24  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
THT sponsor
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: West Palm
Posts: 5,660
Default

Mirrors and guideposts don't count. Semi truck mirrors are 10' wide.

Or even better yet, have a state contractor certified to do the measurements and give you a certificate for that particular truck/boat/trailer so if you do get pulled over you just hand it to LEO, he checks VIN, HIN & trailer serial no. and lets you go right away.
Every different DOT cops has his own understanding of the laws. While you are with a particular gentleman, his understandings of those rules are the rules.

The total length is just shy of 65' so it would draw attention
With a bumper pull trailer, you can be 75' long. I don't think you are really talking about that but I'm throwing it in here anyway.
TheBigWhit likes this.
cajflynn is offline  
Old 10-11-2018, 07:28 PM
  #25  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: South FL
Posts: 3,026
Default

Originally Posted by TheBigWhit View Post

Jose, from 8'-6" or less no permit for width required. Permits for over width start at 8'-7" and go up in steps.

First step for width is 8'-7" to 10'-0". This is the first and simplest permit to obtain.

Second is 10'-1" to (?). That is an entirely different animal and beyond the scope of this thread. Seek professional assistance.

Im glad this thread has helped folks.
Whit, I was thinking I needed a permit because of guide posts, but based on Cajís post above, they donít count. So Iím good!
JoseG is offline  
Old 10-12-2018, 10:41 AM
  #26  
Administrator
 
THT Mod 7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 3,139
Default

"Sticky Applied"
TheBigWhit and ed d like this.
THT Mod 7 is offline  
Old 10-12-2018, 11:10 AM
  #27  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
Thread Starter
 
TheBigWhit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Southport Raw Bar
Posts: 4,097
Default

Originally Posted by cajflynn View Post
Mirrors and guideposts don't count. Semi truck mirrors are 10' wide.
Caj, I was told the opposite of that by the DOT person on the phone number I referenced above. Having said that I have read of the exemption for mirrors and awnings on RVs but never saw Guide Poles specifically excluded. However, you deal with it every day so I won't argue and I will leave my Guides on the trailer next trip to the Keys. See what happens.

Thanks for the input and thanks to #7 for making this a sticky.
TheBigWhit is offline  
Old 10-12-2018, 05:15 PM
  #28  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
THT sponsor
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: West Palm
Posts: 5,660
Default

Originally Posted by TheBigWhit View Post


Caj, I was told the opposite of that by the DOT person on the phone number I referenced above. Having said that I have read of the exemption for mirrors and awnings on RVs but never saw Guide Poles specifically excluded. However, you deal with it every day so I won't argue and I will leave my Guides on the trailer next trip to the Keys. See what happens.

Thanks for the input and thanks to #7 for making this a sticky.
Every different DOT cops has his own understanding of the laws. While you are with a particular gentleman, his understandings of those rules are the rules.
(1) WIDTH LIMITATION.–The total outside width of any vehicle or the load thereon may not exceed 102 inches, exclusive of safety devices determined by the department to be necessary for the safe and efficient operation of motor vehicles. The use of public roads that do not have at least one through lane of 12 feet or more in width in each direction, and the use of public roads deemed unsafe for wider vehicles on the basis of safety and engineering analyses, by vehicles exceeding 96 inches in width may be restricted by the Department of Transportation or by local officials for streets and roads under their respective jurisdictions. The total outside width of a noncommercial travel trailer, camping trailer, truck camper, motor home, or private motor coach as defined in s. 320.01may be more than 102 inches if:

(a) The excess width is attributable to appurtenances that do not extend beyond the exterior rearview mirrors installed on the motor home by the manufacturer or the exterior rearview mirrors of the tow vehicle; and

IMHO, guide posts are appurtenances.
cajflynn is offline  
Old 10-14-2018, 06:02 PM
  #29  
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Orlando
Posts: 22
Default

Does anyone actually put the flags on their boat and tow vehicle? I have never seen anyone doing this for boats clearly more than 8’6”.
Jlags is offline  
Old 10-15-2018, 08:42 AM
  #30  
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 29
Default

subscribing
Capt. Ted is offline  
Old 10-22-2018, 01:57 PM
  #31  
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Posts: 2
Default Max weight

I was wondering about the max weight. To the best of my knowledge max weight is 25,999 lbs. If it is not I was just wondering where to find that info.
IAmMe is offline  
Old 10-22-2018, 09:24 PM
  #32  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
Thread Starter
 
TheBigWhit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Southport Raw Bar
Posts: 4,097
Default

Originally Posted by Jlags View Post
Does anyone actually put the flags on their boat and tow vehicle? I have never seen anyone doing this for boats clearly more than 8í6Ē.
Under 10í-0Ē there is no flag requirement if there is no excessive overhang.

At 10í-1Ē and greater there are numerous requirements outside the scope of this thread. I suggest you seek professional advice if your boat is in this league.
TheBigWhit is offline  
Old 10-22-2018, 09:29 PM
  #33  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
Thread Starter
 
TheBigWhit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Southport Raw Bar
Posts: 4,097
Default

Originally Posted by IAmMe View Post
I was wondering about the max weight. To the best of my knowledge max weight is 25,999 lbs. If it is not I was just wondering where to find that info.
At 26,000 and under you donít need a CDL.

But the rig weight is limited by your tow vehicle. Iíve got an F250 Powerstroke 4WD and my limit if 22,500 I believe. I put my rig on the truck scale and Iím 19,850 with nothing in the boat and no fuel. Truck was full fuel. Iím probably over weight loaded with fuel gear and ice.
TheBigWhit is offline  
Old 10-22-2018, 10:15 PM
  #34  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
THT sponsor
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: West Palm
Posts: 5,660
Default

Originally Posted by TheBigWhit View Post

Under 10’-0” there is no flag requirement if there is no excessive overhang.

At 10’-1” and greater there are numerous requirements outside the scope of this thread. I suggest you seek professional advice if your boat is in this league.

I think you meant to say 8'6 to 10' requires flags on all corners and at the widest point. Wider than 10' requires flags, oversize load signs and amber lights.
cajflynn is offline  
Old 10-22-2018, 10:18 PM
  #35  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
THT sponsor
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: West Palm
Posts: 5,660
Default

Originally Posted by TheBigWhit View Post

At 26,000 and under you donít need a CDL.

But the rig weight is limited by your tow vehicle. Iíve got an F250 Powerstroke 4WD and my limit if 22,500 I believe. I put my rig on the truck scale and Iím 19,850 with nothing in the boat and no fuel. Truck was full fuel. Iím probably over weight loaded with fuel gear and ice.
The max weight one can be without a cdl in Florida is 26k. Your "limit" of 22,500 is a manufacturer suggestion not a DOT rule.
TheBigWhit likes this.
cajflynn is offline  
Old 10-23-2018, 05:19 AM
  #36  
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Posts: 2
Default Max weight

Florida is strange about that. Depends what your trailer and tongue weight are. Also, what you hitch is rated for and how picky the DOT officer wants to be. I was asking because I did a lot of research on this a few years ago and do a lot of heavy hauling with my 05 F350. They way you register your truck in FL is where its all at. FL is a money game. All they care about legally is axle,tire and hitch ratings. With my gooseneck a 21k rated trailer, and my truck with a class A CDL (I don't have) driver can legally run in FL not for hire 41k. Truck is registered to 19,999 if I remember. This is legal as long as hitch, trailer, tire and axle limits are not breached. As far as the boat we are in a simular situation. I have a 10ft beam and right at 16500 loaded. However, all my gear is in spec and per FL law it is legal. I did go back and read to make sure nothing changed.
IAmMe is offline  
Old 12-07-2018, 03:17 PM
  #37  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Tampa Bay
Posts: 2,103
Default

If you are over 8'6", you technically have to have a permit.
$20 Florida Blanket over-width permit:
1. The permit says 13'6" high, 68' long, and 10' wide. Write what you want less than that, but the permit will come with those dimensions. No overhang is specified.
2. You have to have flags. You cannot travel at night. You must enter all weigh stations. If you don't comply with everything they can invalidate the permit and park you on the spot.
3. When you go South of Homestead, this permit is invalid and you need a Monroe County Permit with it's own requirements.
As far as the weight thing goes, I know they are sticky if the vehicle is owned by a company and I've heard of tournament boats getting hassled b/c of hull advertising. However, I have never seen clear guidance on this for rec operators.
My license says <26,000.
My truck registration says GVW 7999, my door sticker says 10,000lb GVWR, my hitch sticker says 19000 weight distributing, 8500 weight carrying.
My trailer registration does not say, but the frame sticker says 18000 gross.
Real rig weight is 24k (I try to run empty)
Am I good? I would really like someone to point to the WRITTEN WORD.

I assume they can inspect at a weigh station and look at hitches, lights and brakes.

Last edited by scooperfl; 12-07-2018 at 06:37 PM.
scooperfl is offline  
Old 12-11-2018, 03:28 PM
  #38  
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Clermont Florida
Posts: 13
Default

Great post thanks for taking the time to post! I have applied for many over-dimensional commercial permits before what a pain. Currently I have a 10' wide boat and have been winging it but for $20.00 and this write up I'm getting one!



Did I understand correctly at 10' you can not tow at night?! I night boat often !
chillin the most florida is offline  
Old 12-11-2018, 06:43 PM
  #39  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
Thread Starter
 
TheBigWhit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Southport Raw Bar
Posts: 4,097
Default

Originally Posted by chillin the most florida View Post
Great post thanks for taking the time to post! I have applied for many over-dimensional commercial permits before what a pain. Currently I have a 10' wide boat and have been winging it but for $20.00 and this write up I'm getting one!



Did I understand correctly at 10' you can not tow at night?! I night boat often !
That is my understanding. I also pull at night occasionally. I have never been stopped.
TheBigWhit is offline  
Old 12-15-2018, 07:18 AM
  #40  
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 29
Default

Question. When I got to register it says I need a company name? Otherwise, it won't allow me to register. Maybe this only applies to commercial companies? Just curious... What did you guys enter in that area?
TRJBoating is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread