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Old 07-02-2017, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TipsyMcStagger View Post
Anyone close to the gulf coast have experience with a shallow well for irrigation? I am on a canal in west Pasco and water in my area is stupid expensive. I live alone, don't have a pool, don't water my lawn, typically travel half the month and on average, my water bill is higher than my electric bill.

I'm typically billed the base charge of one thousand gallons plus the base waste charge, which totals about $80. If I water my lawn, with the sewage charges, the bill gets into the hundreds.

Supposedly, I can have a separate irrigation meter installed which will forgo the sewage/waste charges. But I'm wondering if it's feasible to install a shallow well exclusively for irrigation use? My lawn looks like crap.

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I'm in the same are in GH and looked into this awhile back. I called a couple well drillers and found one willing to attempt to hit freshwater on a waterfront canal home. He says is can be done but it was like 1500 per attempt. I never followed through but think of it every time I see my water bill. Our bill runs 250/mo on a house that were only at on weekends and don't water the lawn.

The second meter for us is 2500, I plan to do it when our exterior Reno starts soon. I'm eliminating as much real grass as possible. Our backyard will be all travertine, stone, and fake grass, and the front will get a large roundabout driveway, and landscaping planter beds. Still would like the well for washing the boat, and filling the pool tho. I despise FGUA

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My well is about 100' from the water. I'm on the east coast.
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Originally Posted by OffshoreApparel.com View Post
...The second meter for us is 2500, I plan to do it when our exterior Reno starts soon. I'm eliminating as much real grass as possible. Our backyard will be all travertine, stone, and fake grass, and the front will get a large roundabout driveway, and landscaping planter beds. Still would like the well for washing the boat, and filling the pool tho. I despise FGUA...
I'm getting ready for pavers and landscaping modifications, so I finally got around to requesting a quote for the second meter.

I was quoted $3600, which I thought was insane. I called to follow-up and was told the quote was incorrect and the correct quote is $2600. Still insane in my opinion. Nearly $1200 of the quote is for a "water impact fee." Ummm...yeah.

Unfortunately, given the sewage/waste fees in this area (about 60% of a typical monthly bill), I guess I have little choice but to pay the $2600 for the second meter. It'll pay for itself...eventually.
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If it is a 2nd potable water meter you need to check to make sure they know that it will be for irrigation. Typically "in my area" sewage fees are NOT included in your monthly fee. Double check with the provider. Sewage fees are where a lot of the water providers cost come from. Sanitary and the water itself is small.
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If it is a 2nd potable water meter you need to check to make sure they know that it will be for irrigation. Typically "in my area" sewage fees are NOT included in your monthly fee. Double check with the provider. Sewage fees are where a lot of the water providers cost come from. Sanitary and the water itself is small.
Miami-Dade County Water and Sewer Authority waste water portion of the bill is multiple times higher than the potable water, that is why I have a separate irrigation meter. Below is my history graph for the house meter (3-month biling cycle). Clear choice to have an irrigation meter in Dade County if a well is not possible (I am too close to the coast and well water is brackish).

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We may have to reevaluate our lawns some day pretty soon because the fact remains we are sucking out the aquifers faster than they can recharge. If you think water is expensive now, wait until you are using desalinated sea water. I just lived with mine being brown in the winter until the pusley took over. Now it is white.
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Old 12-06-2018, 04:56 PM
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The fact is the state usually owns all the water, including rain water and some places will regulate all use. '
As Mark Twain said "Whiskey is for drinking and water is for fighting over"
Yep....just before I left Maryland for good.....they instituted a tax on the Rain.
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Here in SWFL in Cape Coral....I have a well and a whole house R/O system. Best water I ever had. Dissolved solids are less than bottled water. In fact I fill up plastic bottles from the sink and put them in the fridge to drink. Wash the boat and car let the water dry no little rings....no minerals to speak of in the water. Yea I have the initial investment in the equipment, but it costs me nothing but electricity to run the well and the pumps.
Now the City of Cape Coral comes along and runs water pipes, sewer pipes, and irrigation pipes right down the middle of the street. Makes it mandatory to hook up to it at a cost of about $15000.00 don't worry we just add it to your taxes and your house payment goes up $200.00 a month. So what I was basically getting for free...good clean water, I now have to pay for, and everyone that has it says it tastes terrible and drinks bottle water. Getting off my soap box now.
Yep....am trying to keep my deep well for irrigation also, although I will still have to pay the monthly irrigation fee even though I wont use the reclaimed water for irrigation.
We new this was coming when we bought the house, it just pisses me off that they make it mandatory.
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You will be damned lucky if they don't cap your well.
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A giant hole and $2600 ($1200 of which is a "water impact fee") will get you a separate irrigation meter from FGUA in Pasco.

About four to five times as costly as some incredibly misinformed neighbors led me to believe. Such is life.



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Originally Posted by TipsyMcStagger View Post
A giant hole and $2600 ($1200 of which is a "water impact fee") will get you a separate irrigation meter from FGUA in Pasco.

About four to five times as costly as some incredibly misinformed neighbors led me to believe. Such is life.




Had ours done as well. Water bills are 4x less. Normal 250 dollar bill is down to 60 bucks now. It will pay for itself in less than a year. Should have done it 7 yrs ago.
1st bill for the 2nd meter was 350 bucks but this was from Sept to Dec and included filling the swimming pool after refinishing and daily watering for new sod for a month. No sewer fees on this.

Only have one main going into the house now. All exterior spigots, wash down for the boat etc are on irrigation meter. We also now have irrigation, outdoor kitchen, and ice machine hooked up to the second meter.


Installing new irrigation and running new lines to all the spigots as well as a new dedicated main into the house as FAR more than the cost of the 2nd meter. I about killed myself hand digging the trenches with all the limestone and chunks of concrete in the soil.
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My BIL and I each added shallow water wells to our houses when we lived in Tampa. It was very easy to do with the right equipment...which he rented. Several sections of 3/4" galvanized pipe with a hose bib on a T-handle on one end and a welded drilling tip with holes in it at the other end. And several pieces of pipe...about 30' total in 7' sections if I recall. Started off on the top of a 10' ladder with a hose connected and drill away, rotating the pipe back and forth. When you hit a water cavity, all your surface drilling water just gets sucked into the ground. Drive a 2" galvanized pipe about 20' down and use a 1 1/4" pvc drop pipe.

Hook up a mud pump for 24 hours to excavate your water pocket. Add a foot valve and a pump and with some sprinkler heads, you are good to go. Keep the water off the driveway, house and sidewalks..

Where we are now, there is no clay layer to hold the water anywhere near where we could drill...it is all around 50'-60' minimum. Not a problem since we are on a well that is much deeper.
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I'm not sure I would have spent $2600 to have a second meter installed had this transpired a month sooner. But it's good news nonetheless. The pending FGUA takeover is the direct result of an organized grassroots effort by community members.


Pasco County water customers face higher bills to subsidize utility purchases


Commissioners approve a plan to increase water and sewer rates to finance acquisition of two smaller systems. Customers there had complained of exorbitant prices for water.


By C.T. Bowen
Published February 19NEW PORT RICHEY — Pasco County utility customers will pay higher water and sewer bills in the future so residents in Gulf Harbors and other neighborhoods can pay less, Pasco commissioners agreed this week.

The countywide subsidy is a key part Pasco's plans to acquire the former Lindrick and Pasco Aqua utility systems from the Florida Government Utility Authority. Customers of both systems have complained about exorbitant rates, some of which are nearly double the costs paid by county utility customers.

“Everybody in the county should pay the same rate,’’ said Mitchell Kobernick of Gulf Harbors.. “This water is a basic fundamental service the county provides, and there is no reason for there to be a tiered rate.’’

ADVERTISEMENTTen other speakers echoed his sentiments in front of a standing-room-only audience Tuesday morning in the West Pasco Government Center.

Under the plan, details of which still must be finalized, the county would purchase the Pasco Aqua system in 2020 and acquire Lindrick a year later. Each purchase would carry a year-long rate increase of up to 2 percent for the county’s 110,000 water and sewer customers, though commissioners said they would seek state dollars to reduce the cost.

A 2 percent rate increase would raise the current monthly bill for a household using 6,000 gallons of water from $73.18 to $76.18. But the Lindrick customers could see a drop of approximately $40 a month once they join the county system.

The year-long rate hikes for each purchase would be on top of previously approved county rate increases which are set to go up 1.5 percent for water and 3.5 percent for sewer service in each of the next three years.

Commissioners approved the countywide subsidy capped at 2 percent after rejecting their staff’s recommendation for a 1 percent across-the-board rate increase and a 10-year surcharge on just the Lindrick and Pasco Aqua customers.

ADVERTISEMENTLindrick, serving Gulf Harbors and nearby waterfront communities in west Pasco, has 3,100 water customers. Wastewater from the 2,600 sewer customers is treated by the city of New Port Richey. A 2017 study showed that customers there paid more than $101 a month for 4,000 gallons of water compared to nearby county customers who paid less than $56.

Pasco Aqua has 3,300 water and 3,100 sewer customers spread among Jasmine Lakes and Palm Terrace in west Pasco and in Zephyr Shores outside the city of Zephyrhills.

The purchase price of each utility amounts to their outstanding debts, which total $18.5 million for Pasco Aqua and $24.6 million for Lindrick, said Steve Spratt, general manager of the Florida Government Utility Authority.

Pasco joined the utility cooperative in 2008 as a precursor to acquiring troubled private utilities. For years, Lindrick customers tolerated low pressure, frequent contamination concerns and what they called poor customer service. The authority purchased Lindrick in 2010 and Pasco Aqua in 2012. Later, customer complaints turned to the high pricing, which triggered the county's purchase plans. The complaints continued Tuesday.

“I’m ready,'' said Gigi Evans, whose husband works in construction, "to have one of my husband’s port-a-potties put outside my house so I don’t have to pay so much for water.'’

Contact C.T. Bowen at ctbowen@tampabay.com or (813) 435-7306. Follow @CTBowen2.
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That seems high, do you have a leak?
Thats what Im thinking. You may simply have a leak. Turn off eveything in your house using water by shutting off main valve going into house.and look at your meter to see if its turning.
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Thats what Im thinking. You may simply have a leak. Turn off eveything in your house using water by shutting off main valve going into house.and look at your meter to see if its turning.
Wow. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by TipsyMcStagger View Post
A giant hole and $2600 ($1200 of which is a "water impact fee") will get you a separate irrigation meter from FGUA in Pasco.

About four to five times as costly as some incredibly misinformed neighbors led me to believe. Such is life.
What's the time to ROI on that? Seems like a lot of $ to still be on the public system.
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Originally Posted by TipsyMcStagger View Post
Anyone close to the gulf coast have experience with a shallow well for irrigation? I am on a canal in west Pasco and water in my area is stupid expensive. I live alone, don't have a pool, don't water my lawn, typically travel half the month and on average, my water bill is higher than my electric bill.

I'm typically billed the base charge of one thousand gallons plus the base waste charge, which totals about $80. If I water my lawn, with the sewage charges, the bill gets into the hundreds.

Supposedly, I can have a separate irrigation meter installed which will forgo the sewage/waste charges. But I'm wondering if it's feasible to install a shallow well exclusively for irrigation use? My lawn looks like crap.

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Originally Posted by crazybeard View Post
What's the time to ROI on that? Seems like a lot of $ to still be on the public system.
The ROI is about two years. I just got my first bill with the dedicated irrigation meter installed. Granted, this past month I had above average irrigation use in order to establish the newly planted sod/trees/plants, but I would have paid an additional $140ish in waste/sewage fees on this bill had I not had the separate meter for irrigation.

But now that this has happened (which won't take effect until late 2020), the savings moving forward will be somewhat mitigated. But still worthwhile.
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Curious as to what that would be in comparison to a well with no monthly charges?
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We had an irrigation meter installed for our reclaimed water. It was $1500 although not sure it has saved us much. The city rate for reclaimed water is the same rate as potable water except no sewage charge on the reclaimed water.
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