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Old 05-06-2014, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ono loco View Post
one more in the bank for the anti-open propeller advocates.. we keep this crap up and we'll all be running jet boats...
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Not 1 bit of sense among any of them. BTW his tuna door is open and someone is standing in it, so saying he didn't see anyone is ignorance on his part. He should never be allowed to own/operate a boat again. Obviously he has no idea what he is doing and it cost a young man his life. The family is going to sue laz for millions, and they are going to win........Its a sad situation regardless and hopefully this will teach all other boaters what not to do if you get stuck....try and push with the motors off, if that don't work call seatow/towboat us.....anything is better than loss of life..
Oh my. After looking at that picture above I gotta agree with this. I can easily see any of those helpers slipping (maybe drunk?) in a sand hole or whatever and fall over the OB. Really sad. That picture is worth a million words.
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Old 05-06-2014, 01:27 PM
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Probable cause was all over the place... not to mention the report that he volunteered it. It should have been done. It was justified.

What in your OP was the 'probable cause'? The States Attorney for Dade County found none.
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Old 05-06-2014, 01:54 PM
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just because youre wearing a bob marley shirt doesnt mean you smoke weed. ...
Umm, yes it does. sort of.

I'm thinking if "I'm responsible for my wake -- or a grass bed", then I'm responsible when my props hit a person while I'm whaling on the throttles in 12" of water. What an azz...
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Old 05-06-2014, 02:01 PM
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Not one of probably dozens of trained professionals on scene had cause to administer an alcohol test, yet keyboard detectives have him drunk. It was a tragic and stupid(no test required) mistake by all involved; those in and outside the boat. If the investigation points toward negligence he will and should be held accountable.
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isn't vodka harder to detect compared to other types of alcohol?
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I think people mean literally on the boat like it has a wrap or graphics on it with his vodka brand so he had to have been drunk
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Old 05-06-2014, 02:33 PM
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What in your OP was the 'probable cause'? The States Attorney for Dade County
Im sure the states attorney hasn't even had time to fully investigate the situation yet let alone make the call on the spot whether a blood test was taken or not. Speculating probable cause to take a blood test of a driver of a boat in an accident that resulted in death would not be rocket science to any officer on scene. If he volunteered blood in the case you don't need probable cause anyway.
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What in your OP was the 'probable cause'? The States Attorney for Dade County
Im sure the states attorney hasn't even had time to fully investigate the situation yet let alone make the call on the spot whether a blood test was taken or not. Speculating probable cause to take a blood test of a driver of a boat in an accident that resulted in death would not be rocket science to any officer on scene. If he volunteered blood in the case you don't need probable cause anyway.

Dookie, FWC stated no probable cause and this was with consultation of the State's Attorney. No PC= No Forensics but the civil Attorneys will have a feast with a variety of negligence claims, no doubt a tragic event to what should have been a nice weekend on the water. Absent an arrest there can be no chemical testing of ones blood.


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isn't vodka harder to detect compared to other types of alcohol?
No.

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Old 05-06-2014, 03:28 PM
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Not the case at all if its a traffic accident. No pc needed. Mandatory blood test if its a traffic homicide. A little creative pc speculation (which is common LEO practice) and they could have easily obtained a blood sample. I think they knew it was high profile and they were scared to screw up.
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Old 05-06-2014, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Coronao View Post
Not one of probably dozens of trained professionals on scene had cause to administer an alcohol test, yet keyboard detectives have him drunk. It was a tragic and stupid(no test required) mistake by all involved; those in and outside the boat. If the investigation points toward negligence he will and should be held accountable.
A fair observation IMO. Very tragic
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I agree it's easy for people that don't know him to assume he was drunk. But as pointed out several times dozens of cops on the scene and watching the party all day had no reason to think he was impaired.

So what's left? Carelessly powering the boat off the sand bar. If nobody was near the boat and nobody got hurt it wouldn't be a big deal. It happens all the time and I myself have powered my boat off a sand bar.

As someone that knows him and knows the kind of boater he is I have to give him the benefit of the doubt. My theory is this, and very plausible....

The party is going on, his boat is tied up in the middle of a bunch of boats. It's not until other boats get out of the way can he begin to try getting his boat off the sand bar. He could have very well told everyone to get away from the boat while he powered off and for whatever reason people came to help anyway. With the noise of the engines and water it would have been near impossible to know anyone walked up unless he was constantly looking back. Maybe he was looking forward as the boat was making slow progress.

It all could have happened in a matter of seconds. That video shows what..5-10 seconds of the boat under power? It is entirely possible all that took place while he was looking forward which would make this just a horrible accident.

I guess once witnesses come forward we will know for sure.

Regardless, mistakes were made by all involved.

1) Laz should have planned a little better and not put the boat in such shallow water in the beginning of the day.

2) Once Laz decided to power the boat off he should have had someone in the boat looking back, spotting to make sure nobody came near the boat. He did not, his boat has 2 rows of bolster seats. You can see someone sitting directly behind him in the 2nd row. Not a soul in the boat behind the 2nd row seating.

3) The guys should have never gotten near the boat with the engines running. No matter what! I don't care if Laz offered money to them for the help. Anyone that made the choice to go push that boat made a huge mistake, and unfortunately one made a fatal mistake.

4) The people standing around watching!!!! If I were there and saw that unfolding I would have been yelling at the top of my lungs for those guys to get away from the boat.

I can totally see people running over to help so they can say they did so. And I really hope it happened like I described. If not and Laz either asked for the help or knew they were back there and allowed it...I would be surprised and disappointed in him because he know better than that. That being the case, then yeah, he will be in some serious trouble.
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DJ laz use to live on my street when I was in elementary school and I was good friends with his step son. I have been out on his boat a few times with him and I can tell you he was always responsible and made sure everything was under control. He is a good guy but I'm afraid that picture is going to be what does him in. I'm sure everyone got that same feeling upon seeing the picture. That whole "star struck" thing is completely true and there is a good chance people jumped in and thought they were doing something right. It's a shame no matter what though.
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Starstruck? Never even heard of this guy until this and other threads popped up. This was not the first death there and will most likely be the last. The traffic through that area is rush hour on the water, Sat and Sundays.

BTW; Nixons sandbar as it now referred to is nothing but a mud flat where the old Mashta house sat in the early 60's. It was also used by the folks who ran the Dolphin Project in the early 70's.
Yes starstruck. He is a local celebrity and if you are not in the boating scene (fishing, sandbar, tournaments, etc.) you wouldn't see laz too often or know him personally like I and a few others here do.

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Old 05-07-2014, 04:27 AM
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More than just mistakes. Mistake would have be if captain bumped into throttles, accidentally spinning props. What captain did here was irresponsible and grossly negligent. Don't care who he is or how "experienced" he may me be.

Witnesses are going to come forward and we will all get the facts.

I am guessing (wasn't there, so all a guess) it is revealed he was looking back at the time, knew people were pushing the boat (may have even asked for help) and he or a passenger were barking directions at those in the water. All of this done while intentionally gunning a quad engine boat on a flat with tons of swimmers around.

Good luck in court.
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Originally Posted by JOKERJ280 View Post
Not 1 bit of sense among any of them. BTW his tuna door is open and someone is standing in it, so saying he didn't see anyone is ignorance on his part. He should never be allowed to own/operate a boat again. Obviously he has no idea what he is doing and it cost a young man his life. The family is going to sue laz for millions, and they are going to win........Its a sad situation regardless and hopefully this will teach all other boaters what not to do if you get stuck....try and push with the motors off, if that don't work call seatow/towboat us.....anything is better than loss of life..
I am not in total disagreement but what about the deceased. No one put a gun to his head, he was an adult, HE decided to get near the boat/props. I would say 80% his fault/20% Laz, at best.
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just because youre wearing a bob marley shirt doesnt mean you smoke weed. society today the criminals or accused have more rights than the victims. sitting at a sandbar doesnt mean youre drunk and assuming so violates his rights and stereotypes him. bottom line is the law needs to be changed that any vehicle or vessel that is being operated and harms or kills someone needs to be an automatic blood sample regardless of probable cause
Ummm, why should I, or anyone else, have to give a blood sample in "automatically" in a incident that harms/kills someone? Damn people are quick to toss away their rights/civil liberties.
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Ummm, why should I, or anyone else, have to give a blood sample in "automatically" in a incident that harms/kills someone? Damn people are quick to toss away their rights/civil liberties.
To prove that you are not under the influence and impared to the point of your negligence. In a traffic accident involving death it is mandatory.
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Old 05-07-2014, 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ono loco View Post
one more in the bank for the anti-open propeller advocates.. we keep this crap up and we'll all be running jet boats...

Didn't take long...

http://www.propellersafety.com/9829/...sto-hernandez/
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not that it matters but was he backed into the sandbar and they were pushing him forward? my initial thought was he bowed up and got stuck that way but with the prop spray and the angle the people are pushing seems like his ass end was stuck. which makes it seem alot easier how he got caught up in the prop.
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