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Old 05-06-2014, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by JOKERJ280 View Post
Not 1 bit of sense among any of them. BTW his tuna door is open and someone is standing in it, so saying he didn't see anyone is ignorance on his part. He should never be allowed to own/operate a boat again. Obviously he has no idea what he is doing and it cost a young man his life. The family is going to sue laz for millions, and they are going to win........Its a sad situation regardless and hopefully this will teach all other boaters what not to do if you get stuck....try and push with the motors off, if that don't work call seatow/towboat us.....anything is better than loss of life..
IMO all parties are to blame here. Nobody told him to get behind a boat with the props turning and the operator should have been more careful to see who was around him. Laz is always out there and fishes a bunch of tournaments, he is not an amateur. Surprised to see ppl on the boat and behind the boat...everybody should be off and pushing/pulling without the motors on to start, and if that fails then you go to the next option..

As for the "family going to sue laz for millions"...I dont know about that

Assumption of risk - nobody forced him back there and the danger was obvious, not an easy case. I'm not a lawyer, but its not as simple as you might think
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Old 05-06-2014, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by danmanswag View Post
Laz is always out there and fishes a bunch of tournaments, he is not an amateur.
This just proves that he should know better. Anyone with half a brain cell that drives a boat knows when you get stuck, you don't pin the throttles. Especially on a crowded sandbar with hundreds of people around. Our entire society is sue happy, he is a celebrity and has a ton of money. The lawsuit will come and none of us will ever hear a word about it. I have nothing against DJ Laz, as a matter of fact i'm a huge fan of his. But this was completely avoidable by a little common sense, and I mean that in the broadest of terms. EVERYONE out there should have seen the danger in this.....
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Old 05-06-2014, 07:58 AM
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Terrible tragedy, thoughts and prayers for everyone involved
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Old 05-06-2014, 08:09 AM
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More info coming out. FWC spokesman Jorge Pino said Laz did not exhibit any of the characteristics of a person who is intoxicated. No slurred speech, no abnormal eye movement or glassiness, no balance problems (even though he is partially handicapped) and no odor of liquor on his breath at all.

An earlier report said he gave blood but he didn't. He offered but the FWC did not take it because they saw no sign of intoxication.

But he did screw up by allowing those people to be in the water while the props were spinning.

Only hope for him is if he was powering the boat off and all those people went over on their own accord and Laz didn't notice they were there until it was too late. It could all of happened in a matter of seconds. He could have been looking forward for a few seconds and in that short time a bunch of people decided to help him without him knowing.

WOW! major screw up on law enforcements part by not taking a blood sample. Someone was being lazy. It is FL law that during a traffic accident involving a potential fatality that the driver of the vehicle give a blood sample. Even if that does not necessarily apply as a law on the water you would think protocol would/ should be the same practice. Especially coming from an event with known alcohol consumption in a boat with Vodka literally written all over it...Back in the day(not too long ago) i've passed many sobriety tests by police including the horizontal gaze nystagmus, the "alcohol on the breath" test and anything else they threw at me when i should NOT have been driving. The only true test is blood and in this situation it should have been taken.
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Old 05-06-2014, 09:14 AM
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my buddy is an investigator in palm beach for fwc. if you take a sample without probable cause then it doesnt get admitted in court anyways so its a waste of time and money.
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Old 05-06-2014, 09:22 AM
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Law enforcement didnt have probable cause??? LOLOLOLOLOL

The dude beached his boat on low tide, throttles were full blast, the boat is named after vodka, and someone got killed. What more do you need? Sounds like the officer was a fan of the DJ.
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Old 05-06-2014, 09:24 AM
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if you are the skipper of your boat, then you are responsible for guys in the boat and guys around the boat. You need to determine if your crew member is drunk and if so, you restrict his access. You also need to determine if someone is taking risks that may imperil themselves or put your vessel in danger. The video that is out shows that the boat was being gunned at full power with people standing at both sides. Ridiculously risky.
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Old 05-06-2014, 09:38 AM
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Bad decision on his part but it has happened and we move on my thoughts & prayers are with the family of the young man. This death ( high profile) coupled with other accidents over the past few years is going to make it tough on fellow boaters who go out & just have a few drinks and want to relax
for the day the FWC is going to start looking closer at everybody.

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Old 05-06-2014, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JOKERJ280 View Post
This just proves that he should know better. Anyone with half a brain cell that drives a boat knows when you get stuck, you don't pin the throttles. Especially on a crowded sandbar with hundreds of people around. Our entire society is sue happy, he is a celebrity and has a ton of money. The lawsuit will come and none of us will ever hear a word about it. I have nothing against DJ Laz, as a matter of fact i'm a huge fan of his. But this was completely avoidable by a little common sense, and I mean that in the broadest of terms. EVERYONE out there should have seen the danger in this.....
You couldn't say it better. I was also a big fan and what I don't get how an *experience and responsible boater* gets stuck in the first place with all information in today's chartplotters.
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Old 05-06-2014, 09:45 AM
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my buddy is an investigator in palm beach for fwc. if you take a sample without probable cause then it doesnt get admitted in court anyways so its a waste of time and money.
Probable cause was all over the place... not to mention the report that he volunteered it. It should have been done. It was justified.
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Old 05-06-2014, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Cytranic View Post
Law enforcement didnt have probable cause??? LOLOLOLOLOL

The dude beached his boat on low tide, throttles were full blast, the boat is named after vodka, and someone got killed. What more do you need? Sounds like the officer was a fan of the DJ.
I hate to agree with Cy...but i do on this one!!!
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Old 05-06-2014, 09:55 AM
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What an idiot! speaking of everyone involed.

Play stupid games win stupid prizes
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:14 AM
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just because youre wearing a bob marley shirt doesnt mean you smoke weed. society today the criminals or accused have more rights than the victims. sitting at a sandbar doesnt mean youre drunk and assuming so violates his rights and stereotypes him. bottom line is the law needs to be changed that any vehicle or vessel that is being operated and harms or kills someone needs to be an automatic blood sample regardless of probable cause
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:20 AM
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Taking a page from the thread on the dockside chat... Laz is a high profile figure with a big orange 42' boat with Vodka logos emblazoned on it.... Do you really think that he would get drunk and try to leave considering the fact that he was likely the center of attention of all LEO's that day??

People who get starstruck (especially in Miami with a local figure like him) were probably all rushing to help just so they could tweet that they helped Laz today. I am sure the help was not requested and those guys just came over uninvited.. 3 guys pushing a 20k+ lb boat? Im sure thats what got it out...

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Old 05-06-2014, 12:13 PM
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Starstruck? Never even heard of this guy until this and other threads popped up. This was not the first death there and will most likely be the last. The traffic through that area is rush hour on the water, Sat and Sundays.

BTW; Nixons sandbar as it now referred to is nothing but a mud flat where the old Mashta house sat in the early 60's. It was also used by the folks who ran the Dolphin Project in the early 70's.
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Old 05-06-2014, 12:34 PM
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fricken scary vid know the poor guy dies shortly there after.. very unfortunate
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Old 05-06-2014, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Dookie30 View Post
Probable cause was all over the place... not to mention the report that he volunteered it. It should have been done. It was justified.

One would assume, with the plethora of BS laws we have regarding boating, fishing and even ground transportation, that there would be a law as someone alluded to earlier where it would be mandatory in an accident involving a death ( again I respect him for offering his blood if in fact he did ) that at the very least there should be a quick breathalyzer.

If anything, out of respect for the young man who lost his life trying to help someone and out of respect for the family who is now in mourning.. It would be a MAJOR mental relief, albeit small in the grand scheme, if they had no doubts that the operator wasn't drunk @ the helm, or even "buzzed"... Now it is probably a lingering question that lawyers will be figuring out in court. ... expect a law or two to be passed from this tragic accident..


Almost begs the question if FWC or responding authorities were the ones who were NEGLIGENT. Seems he almost got treated like he was one of them...
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I'm not from South Florida so I also have not heard of him. However, I would imagine those folks down in South Florida have and I would agree that the starstruck component had a bit part in this tragedy. I'm sure folks that heavily use social media would believe that tweeting out that they helped a celebrity, current or former, would be all the rage.
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one more in the bank for the anti-open propeller advocates.. we keep this crap up and we'll all be running jet boats...
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just because youre wearing a bob marley shirt doesnt mean you smoke weed. society today the criminals or accused have more rights than the victims. sitting at a sandbar doesnt mean youre drunk and assuming so violates his rights and stereotypes him. bottom line is the law needs to be changed that any vehicle or vessel that is being operated and harms or kills someone needs to be an automatic blood sample regardless of probable cause
just because youre wearing a bob marley shirt doesnt mean you smoke weed.

No, you could like his MUSIC.

society today the criminals or accused have more rights than the victims.

The victim is dead, you insensitive IDIOT.

bottom line is the law needs to be changed that any vehicle or vessel that is being operated and harms or kills someone needs to be an automatic blood sample regardless of probable cause

This is common sense. And even if law wasn't in place, it wouldn't have been illegal to TAKE something he supposedly wanted to GIVE!!!


Didn't want to call you an idiot, but seems your position is unfounded, and very callous.

Good day, Sir.
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