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Old 09-19-2008, 05:32 AM
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Well it sure is going to kill the fishing in the southeast reigon, Any vessel commercial or recreational cannot have a coastal shallow water grouper on there vessel from Jan 1st to May 1st. The Gov never surprises me , All the Charter and head boats will never survive . But its all for the better right, just because we put several thousand people out of buisness for a handfull of fish I never thought I would see where I could not go out into my ocean and keep a fish or two to eat.
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Old 09-19-2008, 05:42 AM
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FiremanPO,

Is there a link to the reg? Thanks in advance.

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Old 09-19-2008, 05:54 AM
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Gulf side -

http://www.gulfcouncil.org/Beta/GMFM...TR-08-2008.pdf
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Old 09-24-2008, 01:39 PM
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Trust me "brother", I know and feel your pain all too well!!! Joe
And who said it was your ocean??? I thought it was mine!!!!
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Old 09-25-2008, 04:40 AM
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Rough Rider - 9/19/2008 5:42 AM

FiremanPO,

Is there a link to the reg? Thanks in advance.

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Here's the link to the press release. http://www.safmc.net/News/NewsReleas...2/Default.aspx

Red Snapper will be added as an emergency rule closing the snapper season from January to May.

Next they will severely limit the Kings. Oh, in a few years they will closed Dolphin.

Too bad we can't sell our boats now.

Finally, the CCA supports these closings. I have canceled my membership to the CCA.
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Old 09-27-2008, 07:11 PM
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What I can't believe is that they will let a guy who does'nt even make a living fishing keep his limit on Grouper but the guy that has a charter boat permit and tries to make a living is not allowed. How in the hell is that right ? The CCA obviously supports recreational fishermen that don't use charter boats. Its a real slap in the face to the SE region charter fleet. Alot of charter boats will be going out of business. I know a couple that are trying to sell now.
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Old 09-27-2008, 08:01 PM
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If there are any charter businesses interested in fighting this, pleaselet me know(IM). Only "interested" persons need contact me, no BS.
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Old 10-02-2008, 02:01 PM
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Whats the plan, I'm in. If what has been brought before the council by fisherman all over the SE has'nt made a difference what will? I know there are law suites in the works from what I hear. Its really unbelievable what they (the gov) can do and not even think about what it will do to people and their families. Well, email me at fish.knotonduty@gmail.com. Hopefully something can be done.

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Old 10-02-2008, 04:47 PM
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Old 10-03-2008, 06:41 AM
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I briefly read the link above. From what I gathered it just prohibits the Captain and crew from taking a bag limit. It did not seem to restrict tyhe client or clients from keeping their bag imit. If this law closes the loophole whereby charterboat crews sell the clients fish, I am all for that. I dont know how many times I have seen charterboats take as many fish as they can knowing the client will not want them, so they can later sell the fish at a fish house. A charterboat makes money by taking people fishing not selling fish.
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Old 10-03-2008, 01:31 PM
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Read the SAFMC rule ....it is a 4 mth closure that applies to recreational, commercial, and charter ANYONE who wants to keep a grouper from NC to the Keys. The remaining 8 mths of the year, there will be a reduction in the bag limit from aggregate of 5 to now 3.
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Old 10-03-2008, 05:50 PM
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Why do you think its wrong for someone that does nothing but fish for a livin sell fish to fish markets to sustain live . cracker you need to look a little harder these poor people are starving and you want to shut the door in there face .
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Why do you think its wrong for someone that does nothing but fish for a livin sell fish to fish markets to sustain live . cracker you need to look a little harder these poor people are starving and you want to shut the door in there face .
If you re read what I posted it was oriented toward the charterboats. A charterboat makes money taking people fishing not selling fish. If they want to sell fish be a commercial fisherman not a charterboat. Chartering has never been an easy way to make a living, thats a fact, its been that way for 15 to 20 years. I have disagreed with the crew of a charterboat selling fish for almost 20 years ago when I watched charterboat crews take as much as they could so they could sell it at the end of the day, back when I was a resource officer. Its always been a loophole and I personally dont agree with it. I dont want anyone to loose their job but it can be a reality in the small business world. For the record I dont believe in closures as good resource management either particularily when most of the time the data used to make their decisions is usually skewed and flawed..
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Old 10-03-2008, 07:35 PM
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Cracker, you have to remember that us charter guys have to make it when we can and if that means selling a few fish on the side to feed the family then it shouldn't be a problem. Remember, during the winter we might only get out a couple of days a week and that don't pay the bills. And don't worry, people will be losing their jobs, businesses, and livelyhoods over these "scientifically based" decisions.
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mnelson - 10/3/2008 10:35 PM

Cracker, you have to remember that us charter guys have to make it when we can and if that means selling a few fish on the side to feed the family then it shouldn't be a problem. Remember, during the winter we might only get out a couple of days a week and that don't pay the bills. And don't worry, people will be losing their jobs, businesses, and livelyhoods over these "scientifically based" decisions.
This is not personal, just my opinion after years of dealing with charterboats. I dont think recreational guys should be able to sell fish either to pay for their gas bill as some do. I agree the data they use is hardly scientific in nature.
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Old 10-03-2008, 08:28 PM
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If you ran a charter boat you would do the same. Its no different than any other job, you do what you can to increase your income. The restrictions and limits in place now have helped the fishing, fishing is better now than the 70's and 80's. These new regs are going to hurt alot of people.
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Old 10-05-2008, 06:33 AM
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Your right do what most people do, get a second job then... I have actually considered doing the charter thing but I did not do it because I know its a hard to make a living. Most fishermen would love to be a able to scratch out a living chartering but it is tough. I wish you the best of luck. Again I am glad that loophole is closed as I think it pushes a crew to take and keep all the fish they can so they can sell it.
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Old 10-05-2008, 07:09 AM
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So , you are saying that if you went fishing one day and the fish were bitting you would only keep one or two fish to eat . Most of the charter boats have thier commercial permits anyways. This is how we make a pay check. FISHING.Or would you keep your limit and fill the freezer up ,Either way there is a limit for a reason . I believe in conservation,But every fisherman in the world will keep there limit if fish are bitting.Even you cracker
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Old 10-05-2008, 07:26 AM
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Ok, after this im done. Apparently we are not having meaningful conversation, I have watched, seen and heard charterboat crews PURPOSELY catch as much fish as legally allowed, even when they know their client will not want to keep the fish, so they can sell the catch. Selling fish puts a charterboat in a different league, you are not a commercial fishing boat. If you have all the permits required to do this then its legal, many dont and catch a recreational limit for capt and crew then sell it... Just my opinion based on years of fisheries enforcement and knowing the games some charterboats play. These are the little games that are almost impossible to stop that are many times in violation of the law. If you do it legally (a few do) then so be it.... Cheers
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Old 10-05-2008, 07:27 AM
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Sounds like cracker has had some bad experiences with charter captains. Hope these new regs make him feel better. We can only hope that something happens to turn them around. Very doughtful though.
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