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Old 10-05-2008, 04:19 PM
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You still did not answer my ???? .Would you stop at 1or 2 fish .Or would you keep your limit , I already know the answer.If my clients hire me to catch fish .I am going to give them the best day of fishing i can. Catching limits of fish
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Old 10-05-2008, 05:30 PM
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You are mixing 2 details...I catch may catch my limit (not often I must admit) because I dont have a lot of freezer room depending on the fish.... I DONT SELL..

Do you sell the catch if the client does not want it?? Do you sell any fish that the crew or you catch ?? Catching fish and keeping and selling is different then catching, keeping and eating... One more question, do ask a client before you leave the dock if they want to actually keep the fish??
You said it, you are paid to get the client fish, not you or your crew. I always love watching the crew fish when they are suppose to be taking care of the customer... Oh well, I would love some answers too but mixing selling fish to someone who eats them is two different issues... I am not anti Commercial fisherman either.. so lets not go there.. I wont respond to this again as I will not change your mind and you wont change mine...Take care be safe
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Old 10-05-2008, 06:16 PM
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So your saying its not a matter of how many I catch but that I just can't sell them. You said before that in the charter business it's tough to make a living. Thats why a charter guy will do what he can to make a living and barely scrape by. Why does it bother you so much that I sell my fish? Hopefully you'll answer because I'd like to know. I think I have an idea.
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Old 10-05-2008, 07:29 PM
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Selling fish and eating fish is not 2 different issues .The fish is DEAD wether you eat him or I sell him .And yes I ask every client what they would like to get out of thier day of fishing . Some say i would like to catch some table fish. and alot of them do . Some say I just want to catch alot of big hard fighting fish and have fun catching them . So i go to 250 to 350 ft of water and catch pleanty of big AJ's ,grouper and snapper. The problem is the fish will not live comming up from that depth. I as a captain trying to catch as many fish as i can for my clients Should be able to catch (my clients) a limit of fish just like you or anybody else that has access to a boat. i only take 6 people and go alone so i do not set there and fish.my clients do all the catching. I do sell the fish my clients leave for me or somtimes eat a few . I not bashing you for your opinion . I just think that a limit of fish is for all fisherman. Not just for the ones that are going to keep them and eat them . I am not made because you go and catch 3 or 4 peoples limit and 2 of them dont want any, so do you throw it away or do you put it in the freezer. I am just saying it is hard to make ends meet fishing for a living not all people will ever get it . So here are your answers .I am not trying to pick any fights . Just because I fish for a livin that you( GOVERMENT)can hold that against me I should have every right as you guys that dont fish for a livin ,Right fair is fair. I hope you will respond , I am not trying to argue ( It may seem like It)but just justify fairness to everybody . Chris
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Old 10-05-2008, 07:46 PM
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I am not in fisheries enforcement anymore so I am not the government. If what you do is legal, have at it. I dont approve because of abuses I have seen and just because of reasons I have explained... Take care And yes selling a charter catch is different.. Later guys
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Old 10-06-2008, 04:21 AM
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Thanks for responding ,I guess I need to eat more fish . lol. . But you still did not answer my ???? about if the fish were bitting would you keep your boat limit ???? Would you keep a limit of grouper ,or snapper if you pulled up to a spot and they were starving ?????
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Old 10-06-2008, 04:50 AM
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FiremanPO, he doesn't have a problem with us catching them, only if we sell them. You read what he wrote earier, that while he was a resource officer, he watched charter capts take the charters catch and sell them. I guess he tried to stop them and couldn't, now he retired still upset. Cracker, remember there are thousands of fisherman really breaking the law, I'm sure some charter captain's but charter capt's that want to keep their business going normally won't. Hope you continue a great retirement. Well I've got to go shrimping and hopefully I can catch my limit and then some.
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Old 10-06-2008, 05:11 AM
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Gents, we gotten off track here. NO ONE will be able to keep a grouper caught in federal waters January through April. Snapper will be added soon. Basically, no one will charter to bottom fish in the winter. It's not a catch and release fishery.
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Old 10-06-2008, 06:03 AM
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Economics will take care of all of this in the end. Went out on Sunday and the Punta Rassa ramp was only half full. Even out of season this ramp is usually packed on weekends. The fishing will come back. Once all the fisherman are off the water.
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Old 10-06-2008, 09:10 AM
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Fishing has been better on our coast since the 80's .And you are right the fishing will get better than it ever has been. But the 13 million jobs from tackle stores ,boat builders and charter boat crews all will be unemployed,but thats OK the fish are more important than American livelyhoods.I understand preservation is important but so is providing for your family
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Old 10-06-2008, 10:05 AM
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FiremanPO - 10/6/2008 9:10 AM

Fishing has been better on our coast since the 80's .And you are right the fishing will get better than it ever has been. But the 13 million jobs from tackle stores ,boat builders and charter boat crews all will be unemployed,but thats OK the fish are more important than American livelyhoods.I understand preservation is important but so is providing for your family
Should put an emoticon in to show my sarcasm.

And yes it does suck for those whose livelihoods depend on the marine industry but I guess that's life. I still do my best to support all of the above. Especially the local places. But things change.

The argument can also be made that if fish stocks aren't preserved there will be nothing to be caught. Fish stocks will decline from over fishing as well. Most publications I have seen still do support this fact.

I'm not saying I agree with the amendment but doing nothing results in other problems.
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Old 10-06-2008, 11:45 AM
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I agree that doing nothing to preserve the fishery is a bad thing. But what they did over the last 15 or so years has increased the size and amount of fish that we catch, I talked to a few of the marine fishery guys and what they want is to have every snapper and every grouper to be at adult stage .. Thats great so why dont we increase the size limit instead of shuting in down . I guess I am just frustrated that i spent the last 23 years of my life learning and building my buissness and then they can come take it away with no regard . I feel real sorry for the older crowd that made a liven from fishing ,they cant afford to start over . This is not what I expected form good ol goverment.But as you said thats LIFE. Peace
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Old 10-06-2008, 12:39 PM
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I agree with you.

I guess in the end it comes down to how we vote. Unfortunately our choices are crap this year.

Always expect the worst from the government. Then when they actually do something right you can be extra happy about it.
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Old 10-12-2008, 05:02 PM
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I don't think it matters how we vote, the people making these decisions will do everything they can to stop us from killing fish. They probably have some stock in imported fish, because that will be all thats available soon, its already 75% or more imported. I've heard that PETA is behind all this, not sure if its true or not. By the way, I caught limit on snapper and grouper again, on a 6hr trip and the charter only wanted a couple. I paid a house payment with the rest, plus they gave me $150.00 tip. They had a great time and will be back next year. We gatta get'em while we can. Three more months and its all over.
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Old 10-13-2008, 04:53 AM
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MrPat - 9/25/2008 7:40 AM
Finally, the CCA supports these closings. I have canceled my membership to the CCA.
What the hell is this about? Have any of the idiots at CCA explained why passing no fishing rules helps its members that like to fish?
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Old 10-15-2008, 04:51 AM
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Finally, the CCA supports these closings. I have canceled my membership to the CCA.
What the hell is this about? Have any of the idiots at CCA explained why passing no fishing rules helps its members that like to fish?
Oh, they know in Florida. We have had a bunch of CCA members write. We had the local CCA guy speak at our local fishing club. He said the decision is made at the "national level". The former President of The CCA, Mr George Geiger was the 2008 Chairman of the SAFMC. Was it a coinsidence that the CCA supports the SAMFC closure? I think not!

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