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Old 08-17-2020, 09:15 AM
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Well, it finally happened. The Islamorada council voted unanimously to close the beach at Port Antigua (lower Matecumbe) to boaters by enacting a 300’ buffer from the beach for boating including anchoring (not just a no motor zone).

This was done for a select few owners who have houses on the beach. While I empathize with people who on the homes, they knowingly bought homes that were on a beach which feature public access to the high water line.

The biggest jerk around about the whole process is how homeowners claimed issues of having people walk through beach backyards, people stealing things, unsafe conditions for those swimming in the water due to mix of props and people, etc.… however, there are no police reports supporting the outlandish claims.
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State waters. How does Islamorada have the authority to close state waters. I think it is a political gesture to placate the homeowners.
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Originally Posted by sac56fire View Post
State waters. How does Islamorada have the authority to close state waters. I think it is a political gesture to placate the homeowners.
They don’t

https://m.flsenate.gov/Statutes/327.60
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Originally Posted by sac56fire View Post
State waters.
You sure about that, Hoss?
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Originally Posted by bw17 View Post
They don’t
They do:

Section 327.46, Florida Statues,
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State waters are from shore to 3 NM on Atlantic and 9 NM on Bay/Gulf




Suits are probably already drafted.

On another note, IMO, it's a good time to shut the fill's down for good.


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Originally Posted by captainwjm View Post
You sure about that, Hoss?
Yep I'm sure of that ( State waters)...little Joe. 10,000 junk sailboats anchored off of the keys proves that the local politicians can scream and shout but there isn't shit they can do about it. Islamorada taxpayers will be the latest to pay lawyers fighting a losing battle. It does not matter anyway. I'm sure Local boaters are organizing weekend Trump rallies there with DJ's and boom boxes at that sandbar . It is a popular spot. Me and the whole Ponderosa family will be there with our Yeti's.
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Originally Posted by captainwjm View Post
They do:

Section 327.46, Florida Statues,
Which one of the qualifiers for sub-sections B and C applies to this site?
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Cities have been making localized closures for a while now in regards to lobstering. Islamorada, Marathon and Key Colony Beach all have rules for the 2-day season and the first couple of weeks of regular season. All of these special rules only extend out 300' from shore, so I wonder if that's the limit of their jurisdiction. Also, I'd be interested to know who owns the bottom off of the beach from MHW seaward. There are many places in the Keys where people own the baybottom, being able to buy it goes back many, many decades and I'm pretty sure you cannot buy the baybottom for many, many years. But it can be transferred once it's "owned".

All these people had to do was behave themselves, turn the music down, and act like adults. But, nope....and this is where it got them.
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Originally Posted by MiamiJay View Post
Well, it finally happened. The Islamorada council voted unanimously to close the beach at Port Antigua (lower Matecumbe) to boaters by enacting a 300’ buffer from the beach for boating including anchoring (not just a no motor zone).

This was done for a select few owners who have houses on the beach. While I empathize with people who on the homes, they knowingly bought homes that were on a beach which feature public access to the high water line.

The biggest jerk around about the whole process is how homeowners claimed issues of having people walk through beach backyards, people stealing things, unsafe conditions for those swimming in the water due to mix of props and people, etc.… however, there are no police reports supporting the outlandish claims.

You claim the biggest jerks are the home owners....I have anchored there..the biggest jerks are definitely not the home owners. If the biggest jerks didn't feel the need to have everyone with in 1/4 mile hear their music...you probably would not have the problem you have now.

My wife and I passed on an opportunity to buy a house on Costa Brava "huge profit loss" because of the inconsiderate boaters. Not all!!!

And unless you are there every minute of everyday you have no idea if people walk through beach backyards, if people steal things, or never unsafe conditions for those swimming in the water due to mix of props and people, etc.....Just because you didn't see it happen doesn't mean it didn't. And lack of police reports means nothing. I don't blame the property owners. My wife and I will miss hanging out there, but I won't miss the guy next to me playing "his" music so loud I have to raise my voice just so my wife can hear me.

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It doesn't look like the bottom off that beach is owned except for the section at NE end by subdivision.



Some properties, like these across from PA have ownership out to 200' or so.





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Originally Posted by captainwjm View Post
They do:

Section 327.46, Florida Statues,
That statute allows the implementation of slow speed and no wake zones. nothing in that statute about exclusionary zones except:
“3. An ordinance establishing a vessel-exclusion zone if the area is reserved exclusively:
a. As a canoe trail or otherwise limited to vessels under oars or under sail.
b. For a particular activity and user group separation must be imposed to protect the safety of those participating in such activity.”
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Originally Posted by MiamiJay View Post
Well, it finally happened. The Islamorada council voted unanimously to close the beach at Port Antigua (lower Matecumbe) to boaters by enacting a 300’ buffer from the beach for boating including anchoring (not just a no motor zone).

This was done for a select few owners who have houses on the beach. While I empathize with people who on the homes, they knowingly bought homes that were on a beach which feature public access to the high water line.

The biggest jerk around about the whole process is how homeowners claimed issues of having people walk through beach backyards, people stealing things, unsafe conditions for those swimming in the water due to mix of props and people, etc.… however, there are no police reports supporting the outlandish claims.
You cant be surprised that those homeowners dont want a full on holiday isle sandbar party every weekend in their backyard. i wouldnt want a bunch of asshats blasting that s$%7 music all day long . People in the Keys want to get away from the Miami crowd, not hang with them

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Originally Posted by Stroker Ace View Post
You cant be surprised that those homeowners dont want a full on holiday isle sandbar party every weekend in their backyard. i wouldnt want a bunch of asshats blasting that s$%7 music all day long . People in the Keys want to get away from the Miami crowd, not hang with them
In summertime and holiday weekends the keys are nothing more than a southern extension of Miami and it's population and mindset. Nixon sandbar and Holiday Isle sandbar. Same, same.

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Shouldn’t be a problem for a lot of boats to be heard from 301’.
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I’ve been visiting friends houses in Port Antigua for about 10 years now. That beach/sand bar has always been full on weekends but it was never anything like the madness at the holiday isle sand bar or what was going on at Nixon and Sands Cut.

And here came 2020 and Covid 19. All sand bars in Miami were shut down. Every person that has a house in the keys were living there and going to the sand bars there because there was nothing open in Miami (still isn’t).

Port Antigua beach has been packed almost every day. People are coming from Key Largo, Miami, long key, etc. It went from being somewhat family friendly to crazy.

I know many homeowners who do not live on the beach that were sick and tired of seeing the riff raff show up. So here we are.

I think it sucks. I was hoping for law enforcement to patrol the area which starts to deter folks. But they voted for the 300’ which is better than the original 600’ proposed.
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Originally Posted by FishHarder View Post
You claim the biggest jerks are the home owners....I have anchored there..the biggest jerks are definitely not the home owners. If the biggest jerks didn't feel the need to have everyone with in 1/4 mile hear their music...you probably would not have the problem you have now. And unless you are there every minute of everyday you have no idea if people walk through beach backyards, if people steal things, or never unsafe conditions for those swimming in the water due to mix of props and people, etc.....Just because you didn't see it happen doesn't mean it didn't. And lack of police reports means nothing. I don't blame the property owners. My wife and I will miss hanging out there, but I won't miss the guy next to me playing "his" music so loud I have to raise my voice just so my wife can hear me.
If you are going to quote me, have the decency or intelligence to quote me properly, bud. I didn’t call the homeowners jerks. I mentioned that the situation was a jerkaround.

You are naive to think that people would show up to a council meeting and/or complain to council members but not simply pick up a phone and call the police if there were people in their yards committing crimes. Give me a break ... first you slander me with a misquote and now you expect the rest of us to believe that people silently allow crime to occur without calling the police but then raise the issue with the council?

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You cant be surprised that those homeowners dont want a full on holiday isle sandbar party every weekend in their backyard. i wouldnt want a bunch of asshats blasting that s$%7 music all day long . People in the Keys want to get away from the Miami crowd, not hang with them
I don’t like the loud music either, but this government-out-of-control is not the answer. Just like the illegal shutdown of US1 at the county line.
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VULCAN..

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Are you really exposing people like this...please send me your picture so I post it in an thread attacking you. I cant believe moderators allow this

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Originally Posted by MiamiJay View Post
Well, it finally happened. The Islamorada council voted unanimously to close the beach at Port Antigua (lower Matecumbe) to boaters by enacting a 300’ buffer from the beach for boating including anchoring (not just a no motor zone).

This was done for a select few owners who have houses on the beach. While I empathize with people who on the homes, they knowingly bought homes that were on a beach which feature public access to the high water line.

The biggest jerk around about the whole process is how homeowners claimed issues of having people walk through beach backyards, people stealing things, unsafe conditions for those swimming in the water due to mix of props and people, etc.… however, there are no police reports supporting the outlandish claims.

You complain about slander..yet you suggest home owners lie about people walking thru their back yards, things being stolen and potential dangerous situations. And your proof is there are no police reports and not any personal knowledge.

As far as slander, I'd say you started it.

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